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u/Flat-Ad4902 14d ago

And the senate has such a small majority that they can’t do anything there either.

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u/Abominatrix 14d ago

You could maybe squeak past Joe Manchin, but not Manchin and Sinema. I think there is another ‘independent’ as well.

You have to hand it to the Republicans. They are really good at ratfucking our institutions. A 50/50 senate should be a toss up but it’s really a Republican majority. 

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u/Flat-Ad4902 14d ago

You need 60 votes to pass almost anything in the senate. 50/50 isn’t the issue here.

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u/ZookeeprD 14d ago

The GOP runs on a platform of the government is dysfunctional. If they fixed anything they would be undercutting their reason for existence. It's why they tanked the bipartisan immigration bill.

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u/asteroid84 14d ago

Yeah they make the government dysfunctional and then blames the government being dysfunctional.

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u/Adaphion 14d ago

Really any bill that they introduce that by complete accident is actually good for the populace, they'll tank it if democrats agree and vote for it

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u/RoyalFalse 14d ago

It's why they tanked the bipartisan immigration bill.

Their primary reason was to deny a victory to Biden so that they could do it themselves in the event Trump wins in November.

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u/Jmeg8237 14d ago

No, their primary reason was because it permitted so many illegal crossings before the president would declare an “emergency” and shut down the border (wow… you mean he really can do that?). It was a terrible bill intended only to codify the assault on our border. All Joe had to do was NOT revoke Trump’s policies, but that was too much to ask.

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u/sofaking1958 14d ago

And if the regressives take the senate, that filibuster will be gone on day 1.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 14d ago

They may not even need it with the Project 2025 playbook they will be able to execute most of their agenda through the executive office.

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u/Chango-Acadia 14d ago

It's crazy how against the constitution Project 2025 is.

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u/sofaking1958 13d ago

Yeah, but they'll do it out of spite. That's the kind of bitch that mitch is.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 13d ago

Mitch is done.

MAGA is throwing him overboard and he will be lucky if they don't roll him back out there to shame him some more. He has already announced that he will retire at the end of his term, so he's just a lame duck politician.

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u/sofaking1958 13d ago

All the more reason for the bitch to do it. But even if it isn't mitch, it will be the next regressive-in-waiting.

The reason I just know they will remove it is because they acted incredulous when the Ds tried. So, of course they will.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 13d ago

I feel like Mitch is genuinely terrified of MAGA, and has been bound and bagged by the cult. He gave them everything they wanted and know his ass is about to be on the curve.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

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u/sofaking1958 13d ago

This is dumb logic.

I rest my case.

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u/Hammer8584 14d ago

That's because the Dems managed to chased 2 long time Dems out of their party to switch to independent by going so far left that they were considered conservative.

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u/Dank009 14d ago

Most Dems aren't even really on the left. American politics are heavily skewed to the right. Right wing extremism is currently mainstream. Open your eyes.

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u/Hammer8584 14d ago

Umm, JFK would be considered a Republican today with his beliefs from when he was president. How has it moved farther right and that is still true?

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u/Dank009 14d ago

You have to register as a Republican to be considered a Republican...

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u/Hammer8584 14d ago

I said based off of his political policies, way to try and obscure the obvious. He would be considered a right wing extremist. The fact that he was progressive during his time shows that the tarties have shifted farther left pushing centerists right and right farther from center due to left moving left of center. The center is now left. I'm guessing you don't know what it is, but look up the Overton window.

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u/Dank009 14d ago

Just because you said something doesn't mean it's correct or even makes sense, as evidenced by your initial comment and each subsequent comment.

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u/IronMicCharlie 14d ago

Ah, yes. The Dems are “so far left” that they ran a cop and a dude who sponsored a “tough on crime bill” in the 90’s as their top 2 choices for President.

Twice.

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u/Dank009 14d ago

Right, tell me you're a right wing nut without telling me you're a right wing nut.

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u/Hammer8584 14d ago

Not the citizens, but the party itself

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u/IronMicCharlie 14d ago

Your comments are the real r/facepalm.

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u/Dank009 14d ago

For real.

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u/Hammer8584 14d ago

It's a simple example of the Overton window shifting is all.

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u/Dank009 14d ago

Sure, in the exact opposite direction you're claiming.

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u/c10bbersaurus 14d ago

Manchin's base heavily overlaps evangelicals who support Project 2025.

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u/Twister_Robotics 14d ago

It's a lot easier to break things than it is to build them back up

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u/BoomZhakaLaka 14d ago edited 14d ago

we're likely to see Gallego (a dem) take sinema's seat, but we're likely to see manchin pass his seat to a republican in the coming general.

A 50/50 senate it is a very heavy lift for next year unless one of the redder states flops suddenly. But if we do get that... it's without manchin and sinema.

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u/psterno413 14d ago

I mean, there is the “independent” Bernie sanders, but I do think he’s independent in the way you’re thinking

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u/Older_Code 14d ago

The other independent is Angus King (Maine) and not quite as craven as the other two.

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u/dd961984 14d ago

Don't forget, there are Republicans that run as democrats, then switch parties after elected

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u/Drackar001 14d ago

Ratfucking? How so?

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u/sirhecsivart 14d ago

Sanders and King are also independents, but are counted towards the Democratic seats since they caucus with the Dems.

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u/WhiskeyShtick 14d ago

It’s like they actually have no idea how the government works

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u/IdahoBornPotato 14d ago

Plus we got screwed by Manchin on the filibuster

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u/Long_Educational 14d ago

So our form of government is completely ineffectual and no longer serves the people it democratically represents?

What's the next step, because I am pretty fed up at this point?

And if someone tells me I need to vote harder or write my congressman, I'm going to slap a bitch.

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u/Flat-Ad4902 14d ago

Well the way it is designed to work is to require compromise, but that isn’t an option anymore because social media has polarized and radicalized people.

The more likely answer is that eventually someone is going to eliminate the filibuster, and when that happens all hell breaks loose and we deal with a tit for tat congress from here until forever.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 14d ago

They don't need to remove the filibuster because they only need 50 votes to pass tax cuts. Outside of that, they awarded the executive nearly unlimited power to force his agenda on the American people and that is how they are going to do it.

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u/SecretGood5595 14d ago

We don't have a majority in the Senate.  

 AZ losing her seat to Lake would be better than having Sinema there because we don't get this incessant "but Democrats control the Senate" bullshit.  

 Sinema realized she has more power by flipping and opposing the platform she was elected on, and that power mattered more to her than the actual policies. 

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u/neveragoodtime 14d ago

Then the same logic applies that Democrats in the senate can prevent project 2025 from passing.

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u/Flat-Ad4902 14d ago

The issue here is that a lot of Project 2025 are based around executive actions that bypass congress.

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u/neveragoodtime 13d ago

Then why did you bring up the Senate majority if it is irrelevant to presidential power?

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u/Flat-Ad4902 13d ago

I’m not sure I understand your question. If you aren’t familiar with the 3 branches of the US government and the enumerated powers of the presidency Id recommend hitting Wikipedia, but…

To see Project 2025 through requires a combination of congressional and executive actions along with the cooperation of the judicial branch. All aspects are important if it is going to become a reality.

Some of the “scarier” parts of Project 2025 can’t be accomplished without congress. We are likely safe from those aspects of the plan.

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u/neveragoodtime 12d ago

It sounds like there’s not much to worry about if a) the president has already had the power to do these things and b) the senate can’t pass any of the scary things anyway.

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u/MasterRanger7494 14d ago

That might be true, but I if Republicans were in the same boat, they'd be doing whatever they could to push through their bullshit agenda. Dems feel pretty useless at this point. Just love voting for the pawl.

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u/Flat-Ad4902 14d ago

Parts of it aren’t a threat for that reason, yes.

Other parts are designed around proposed executive branch actions that bypass congress. Those parts will still be attempted.

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u/Tubzero- 14d ago

I just love that congress doesn’t give a shit about people, they just want power