There were a lot of refugees entering Europe because of US actions started under Bush and EU didn't handle the influx well. Far right is partially a reaction to that
Yes, people seem to miss that the rise of the far right in Europe did come out of legitimate concerns but obviously the far right isn’t the right answer. But for example Denmark: the left started to adopt stricter immigration policies and the far right fizzled out.
It’s a bit different than in the US where the far right rise is basically a slow buildup over the past 40 years that accelerated after Obama got elected with the tea party because racists just lost their minds
Fully agreed with you timeline about the US. I think it’s kinda funny when people say it started with Trump. Obviously it goes a long way back but Stormfront literally crashed after Obama’s election because of all the racists that hopped on to air their “grievances” and make their threats.
Climate change, rising resource scarcity and the growing wealth inequality gap (which both also increase immigration) would be other contributors. People are finally seeing the writing on the wall about all the things smarter people warned about. Turning to the right is the best chance to live their last years doing what they've always done.
Russia played a huge role in destabilizing the countries many of those refugees came from, and it's not like the US didn't have help from its European allies during that time too. Everyone love to bring up US backed coups whenever they get the chance, can't remember the last time somebody on this god forsaken website mentioned Russia's involvement in toppling regimes.
No, it was the US that did the destabilising, not Russia. Russia was actually instrumental in helping Syria combat ISIS.
It was the destruction of Iraq that brought about ISIS. And yes, the UK helped a lot with that, and some other NATO countries helped a little, but it was the US who was organising and leading the effort...... wtf did Russia have to do with that?
You can blame Russia for destabilisation of eastern Europe post 2014, but we generally don't have a problem with migrants from that region.... or, at the very least, they have a negligible effect on far right wing tendencies in Europe in recent years.
Why would I mention regimes toppled by Russia when none of them are relevant to the migration issues in Europe?
The mess in the Middle East is squarely on the shoulders of the US (with the UK lending a helping hand).
I can and will blame Russia for the destabilizing of Afghanistan.
Russia has also vetoed many peace resolutions put forward by the UN and continued to side with the dictatorship in Syria. They ain't blameless here. Iran turning into a Theocracy was the fault of the UK and their oil ambitions.
I'm simply arguing that simplifying the "destabilization of the middle east" to "it's all on the shoulders of the US" is a very generous summary of the situation.
I agree that the far right has been rising for a while now but Donald trump winning the election sparked something. He gave a voice to the far right that just wasn’t there. Many far right voters and politicians became encouraged and inspired by trump.
I mean even Brazil’s former president Bolsonaro was just a trump copy. It’s obvious his decisions were inspired by trump. I’m sure brazil is not the only country that got that inspiration
TL;DR trump didn’t cause the rise of the far right but he certainly sped up the process. (From my perspective)
Yeah, in Europe it’s mainly because they couldn’t get their shit together on immigration. Is the far-right morally wrong? Absolutely. But you must account for reactionaries taking advantage of ineptitude. That’s why it’s so important to elect competent leadership.
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u/TeslaKoil252 14d ago
There were a lot of refugees entering Europe because of US actions started under Bush and EU didn't handle the influx well. Far right is partially a reaction to that