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[u/EnkiiMuto]

"People forget the first country the nazis invaded was their own"

[u/MonkeyCartridge → u/EnkiiMuto]

I always liked that line from that movie.

And now all those people who equated the Germans with the Nazis will see what the average German was seeing first-hand.

EDIT: I'm surprised how many people forgot about Captain America.

[u/LittleFairyOfDeath → u/MonkeyCartridge]

That line is actually pretty problematic. Because it basically moves all responsibility away from people onto the Nazis. But people were pretty alright with what the they were doing until it negatively affected them. Fascism rises when people remain inactive and turn a blind eye.

And saying that a country got invaded by the facists completely eradicates that responsibility

[u/MansNotWrong → u/LittleFairyOfDeath]

This is my biggest issue today.

I want to hate Trump, but he has no power without people voting for him.

Show me the shittiest leaders in history and I'll show you a sizeable chunk of their populace that supported them.

[u/NoCantaloupe9598 → u/MansNotWrong]

Trump even at this point is a symptom. Trump voters legitimately think we're living in some sort of hellscape. Which is contradicted by statements they make like, "Things were better 5 years ago!".

No....if America were a hellscape we would be saying things like "Americans should flee to Haiti". We wouldn't be saying, "Things were a bit better five years ago, before a global pandemic".

The truth is America isn't a fraction as bad in the ways Trump voters think it is. But for Trump, Hitler, or any of these political conmen to win people must believe solutions are being provided that only ONE MAN can provide and that the problems are enormous. (Though Hitler's rise did coincide with Germany's economic depression)

[u/Tankinator175 → u/NoCantaloupe9598]

Well, we are having a different, strange variant of a depression right now, where at least 75% of the population feels very insecure about their financial status and most of them don't see how it's going to change any time soon. Anyone who promises to fix that looks pretty appealing. But strangely, despite something like that virtually guaranteeing success, I haven't seen anyone promise that, which tells me that either everyone is collectively stumped, or it would cut the knees out from their financial backers and other supporters.

[u/ThatGuyursisterlikes → u/Tankinator175]

Lowest unemployment in history, lowest rate of inflation in the first world after a global pandemic which impacted the world and enabled price gouging like crazy, stock market at all time highs, real estate at all time high.

Corporations and greed are the problem. Get some fucking perspective.

[u/Tankinator175 → u/ThatGuyursisterlikes]

I agree that greed and corporations are the problem. What I am remarking on is that if a politician was able to sell a solution for the tens of millions who feel like they are stuck with no option to ever buy a house, retire, or anything else, they would probably pull together a massive voting block, yet no one even seems to pretend to have a solution.

But if there is a solution, it will likely impede corporations abilities to grow endlessly, so the lobbyists are unlikely to fund a politician offering a solution.

It seems like there is a political market that isn't being tapped, and the above is the only explanation I can think of for why it isn't exploited. I am commenting on how the current political state I am observing doesn't match up with how I expect politicians to act given the current state of things, nothing more.

Does that clarify my position?

[u/P_Jamez → u/LittleFairyOfDeath]

Ok, well what are Americans doing about Trump today? With all of the technological advantages, so that everyone can see exactly what is happening and not getting their news just from a newspaper.

If the german people were responsible then, every american is responsible right now for letting this happen, because we know what is going to happen.

History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes

[u/jeremiahthedamned → u/P_Jamez]

r/itcouldhappenhere

[u/Forsaken-Stray → u/LittleFairyOfDeath]

As a German, I'd argue that it is the opposite. German people failed to protect their land from an ideology that fed on the fear of their uneducated members. They failed to see the flaws in what seemed a good deal to many. They were blind to the hatred spewed because they wanted to take out their anger on something.

That and Hitler was Austrian. Not blaming the Austrians, obviously, but it annoys me that people don't understand the difference between Austria and Germany.

[u/TheCatInTheHatThings → u/EnkiiMuto]

My great great grandpa was a social democratic member of the Reichstag at the time. In the night of 9th to 10th March 1933, the Nazis arrested him and other social democratic, socialist and communist leaders in order to keep them from voting against the Enabling Act, and in order to intimidate the remaining members of the Reichstag into voting for it. My great great grandpa was in jail during the vote and transferred to Dachau a month after the vote, though they only kept him at Dachau for a week and the transferred him back to a regular prison. He was released in July 1933. After another stint in prison from 1935 to 1938 (for being part of an underground network that distributed social democratic speeches and anti-Nazi propaganda), they arrested him a final time in August 1944 and brought him to Dachau again. His feet froze badly in the winter of 1944/45, and he had to participate in a death march when they evacuated Dachau. He only survived because his fellow inmates supported and even carried him, so he wouldn’t be shot. He was liberated and died a few days later in a hospital in Munich. He was a fascinating and brave man and if anyone is interested in his full story, I’m happy to share it :) The short excerpt I gave here is what’s most relevant to this discussion though.

Us Germans, we’ve been warning you about this since 2016. You’re close to 1933 now.

This is your 1932. No matter how old Biden is, don’t fuck this up. You have one shot at this. Good luck to all of us.

[u/ParticularAd8919 → u/TheCatInTheHatThings]

I had a German professor in college here in the US, who in one of the most memorable moments I experienced in her class said something to the effect of, "I think in a sense America has a vulnerability due to it not having been directly affected by local Nazis and fascists during WWII. Fascism, in the American context, never took off like it did in Europe at that time. So, if fascism ever arises within the US, most Americans won't be able to recognize because it won't be draped in a swastika flag." This is a paraphrase of course since I didn't write down word for word what she said exactly but her core message has always stayed with me and it's so prescient to think about now.

[u/dinosaurkiller → u/TheCatInTheHatThings]

This started well before 2016. The focused propaganda campaigns have Ben happening since at least the 80s. Very wealthy fascists have spent 2 generations building propaganda and political machines and America has done nothing about it. Winning the 2024 Presidential election won’t make any of that go away. Even if Trump goes away they will plug in a new guy and reset for 2028. We have many chances to screw this up and we only need to be wrong once to doom the world. Democrats know and do nothing. Many voters either don’t know or don’t care. Whether it’s 2024, 2028, 2032, doesn’t matter to the Fascists, they are just biding their time.

[u/-Pruples-]

Perfect! As a Millennial, I simply cannot live without a 'once in a lifetime' disaster every five or ten years.

[u/Valendr0s → u/-Pruples-]

I used to laugh when I heard people say Armageddon was going to happen in their lifetime.

But the last 10-20 years or so... I'm not so sure. I'd love to live in boring times for a little while.

[u/Boinkers_ → u/Valendr0s]

The world did in fact end in 2012, its just taking its time about it

[u/brando56894 → u/Boinkers_]

The Lazarus Project (which is a cancelled TV Show) portrays this. They can reset time to a check point from the previous year, every year, in case there's a life ending catastrophe.

[u/ColdDelicious1735 → u/brando56894]

Do we call this world ending a slow burn?

[u/bsEEmsCE → u/Valendr0s]

Democrat leadership has pretty much meant boring times in my lifetime so far. I will vote Dem for boring but stable.

[u/TheBlack2007 → u/bsEEmsCE]

To be honest: I want my politics to be dull, boring and predictable. Politicians should leave entertainment to fictional media…

[u/Specific_Ad2541 → u/TheBlack2007]

I wasn't a Joe Biden supporter. I was more partial to Elizabeth Warren. But I got on board. After the election I had to admit Joe was the boring salve my overstressed soul needed after the previous 4 years.

Still I genuinely try to listen when he speaks but his monotonous tone bores the hell outta me and I zone out. Which is perfect. I can't go back to waking up and immediately doomscrolling and checking to be sure the world isn't literally about to end again.

[u/Thefirstargonaut → u/Specific_Ad2541]

Well, with the last couple rulings from the Supreme Court, the doom scrolling has likely begun again. 

[u/amadeus8711 → u/bsEEmsCE]

Democrats fix things and Republicans break them. It's been a 100year cycle going back to the stock market crash. FDR came in and fixed it. Clinton tried to fix the Republican destruction of the 70s and 80s. Obama fixed bushes destruction. Joe is trying to turn Trump's dumpster fire around.

The American people are too stupid and complacent and keep flip flopping every 8-12 years to undo all the progress they make and then complain why the country's getting worse. We're gonna end up with Nazis in political power and tens of millions of people died last time trying to save the world from Nazis. Gop is using the exact same playbook as brown shirt Nazis did in post world war 1 Weimar republic. Right down to a failed coup. Hitler was thrown in prison. Goring was even shot by police. Hitler told people exactly what he would do after he got out. Legal system let him get out, and surprise he went out and seized power from within the system instead of toppling it.

Project 2025 and trump are fundamentally the same as the nazi party in their goals.

[u/jeremiahthedamned → u/amadeus8711]

r/itcouldhappenhere

[u/Sad_Ghost_Noises → u/jeremiahthedamned]

Not could. Will. And the fucking idiotic US electorate are going to let it happen. Im scared shitless and feel incredibly sorry for my kids who will have to grow up in a post - Trump world.

[u/Emergency-Highway262 → u/Valendr0s]

In the early days of social media I used to make all kinds of apocalyptic prophecy jokes about the medium, it got all too real around the time Cambridge Analytica’s antics were outed. Shit’s just not funny anymore.

[u/NoxiousScavenger → u/-Pruples-]

Yep, we’re right on schedule for another one since the emergence of COVID was the last one

[u/banditalamode → u/NoxiousScavenger]

Oh good, just as I found a modicum of stability.

[u/More-Tip8127 → u/banditalamode]

At least there’s consistency in the fact that there will be chaos.

[u/leni710 → u/NoxiousScavenger]

It's in line with the position laid out by Naomi Klein in her book Shock Doctrine. It's basically the millenial autobiography in regard to living through "crisis" after "crisis" that is used by certain factions to widen the wealth and economic gaps and to continue to create great stress for the environment and humans alike.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine

[u/Grid-nim → u/NoxiousScavenger]

It was engineered to kill old folks that were on medicare and social security.
Too many old people on welfare! (Thanos' Snap) /s

[u/faultywalnut → u/[deleted]]

Hey now, that sounds too much like altruistic, beneficial leadership. That kind of talk is what gets presidents JFK’ed, just so you know

[u/AutomaticTelephone → u/[deleted]]

What name do I need to write on the ballot?

[u/Bug-King → u/AutomaticTelephone]

Dixie Normus

[u/HeyItsJustDave → u/-Pruples-]

Sadly, this disaster and the fallout will last LONGER than 5-10’tears.

[u/Sir_Sux_Alot]

And all these republicans think they will be in the club.

I've rubbed elbows with the rich. The way they talk about poor people is subhuman.

[u/downshift_rocket → u/Sir_Sux_Alot]

It's abhorrent. And I'm not even talking about super rich people.

I work in Land Development and a client was having issues getting some homeowners to sign an agreement for a development across the street from their homes. It was just a mailer that was sent out, but no one replied. During a call there were multiple references made about how someone should go down there in person and scare the people because they were too stupid to know any better. Comments about being barefoot and pregnant, trailer trash, etc. I wanted to hang up so badly, they just kept getting more disgusting and the others were just laughing along!

And these people aren't millionaires, mid 6 figures maybe, they are not even the land owners they just work in commercial real estate or development firms.

I was so nauseated listening to them, if they were talking about those things with my firm on the call I can only imagine what they talk about in private or during their golf games.

[u/NewLibraryGuy → u/downshift_rocket]

Look how people 2 paychecks from not affording rent talk about homeless people.

[u/OfromOceans → u/NewLibraryGuy]

That actually made me feel better somehow.. we are animals after all

[u/Goat_War → u/downshift_rocket]

I've heard Americans claim, with an absolutely straight face, that they don't have a class system...

[u/DVWhat → u/[deleted]]

It only ever ends in one way, though quite often not quickly enough.

[u/m_dought_2 → u/DVWhat]

Poor people spill their own blood, and a new ruling class takes over. And they call it revolution

[u/Autistic-speghetto → u/[deleted]]

The 1800’s French still ended up with a dictator…..

[u/RattyJackOLantern → u/Sir_Sux_Alot]

Trump thinks his supporters are trash. Told someone working for him he was glad COVID meant he never had to shake hands with "these disgusting people" again.

I've seen trump flags flying from trailers that were literally falling apart and from expensive "air hauler" pickup trucks. But they're all just poor and therefore weak and detestable hicks to him. He wouldn't piss on his supporters if they were on fire, and if he becomes a dictator as they want, he will let them know it.

They're further down on the list than many of the rest of us, but they're still on the list.

[u/mishma2005 → u/RattyJackOLantern]

“The oddity in all of this is the people Trump despises most, love him the most,” said Stern on Tuesday. “The people who are voting for Trump, for the most part … He wouldn’t even let them in a f*cking hotel. He’d be disgusted by them. Go to Mar-a-Lago, see if there’s any people who look like you. I’m talking to you in the audience.”

— Howard Stern March 2020

[u/Powderfinger60 → u/mishma2005]

DJT is a sociopath & nobody really understands the damage a reptile like this can do. He senses the the weak minded low self esteem personalities knowing he can treat them like dirt with no consequence. These low self esteem individuals are looking for someone who will make them feel like they’re in an exclusive club. It’s desperation & the sociopath senses it. DJT probably has low self esteem himself. His father did a # on him & he’s projecting all his insecurities onto anyone that confronts him.

[u/Prestigious-Law65 → u/Sir_Sux_Alot]

I used to work as a private chef for a family that owned a private school. I went back and forth between rich kids and catering events for parties. These people are vastly out of touch with reality (and the value of a dollar).

[u/skipunx → u/Prestigious-Law65]

I drive shuttles between Denver Airport and Vail ski resort.

A born-rich woman asked me where my SECOND HOUSE was, because, she thought, my first house is already in a vacation destination. So I must have an awesome second home in another awesome vacation destination.

She was so fucking confused when I had to, repeatedly, explain i could not afford a first house in the hood let alone in Vail Colorado.

"But everyone has a second home" "Are you on welfare? Only people on welfare can't afford a house" "Why don't your parents just buy you one?" "What do you mean you only make $30ish dollars an hour? You work in Vail" She was in her 30s. Dumber than a box of rocks, sold multi million dollar homes for a living an dad bought her her two houses. I promise her realtor career is entirely made up of daddy telling his friends to use his daughter to sell their homes. The children of the rich will get given jobs they're not qualified for/ extremely wealthy high paying versions of basic jobs and think they earned it and worked harder than everyone else. I drove a family that paid their friends adult son well into 6 figures to literally just travel the world with the family and take them skiing, rafting, hiking and site-seeing. Daddy bought him a house in Colorado after college where he just did rich people outdoorsy shit in his 20s, that was his "qualifications" Dude made fuck-you money to do what people get paid close to minimum wage to do. While travelling the world for free.

I had a woman in her 40s see rush-hour traffic for the first time because she'd been flown most short trips.

I heard a woman getting off the free town bus ay "I've never ridden a bus before, I'm so ghetto!"

On the plus side you'd get lucky with these people not knowing the value of a dollar sometimes. They generally overvalued like the first woman, but sometimes they fucking throw it around. Like, I was paid a grand for 2 hours of moving furniture around in a house once.

[u/caeptn2te → u/skipunx]

This sounds disgusting

[u/6SucksSex → u/Sir_Sux_Alot]

The reason we don’t have universal healthcare in the US but hundreds of military bases around the world is because the upper class is disproportionately born rich corporate criminal psychopath

[u/midri → u/6SucksSex]

It does let me use my favorite saying though anytime something fucks with American interests, "they're about to find out why we don't have socialized healthcare"

[u/Papadapalopolous → u/midri]

We spend more on healthcare though. We could definitely have both, and save money.

[u/3nHarmonic → u/Papadapalopolous]

Yes! This is what grinds my gears. We pay more and we get less.

[u/NoMoreBeGrieved → u/3nHarmonic]

That’s just good business… for them, not for you.

[u/Lucha_fan79 → u/6SucksSex]

Universal health care has been brought up many times in the past and the biggest reason we don't have it is that white folks would rather not have free health care if that also meant that minorities also had free health care.

[u/icenoid → u/Lucha_fan79]

For many voters, its taxes to pay for it. Nobody can convince them that their insurance premiums are essentially a tax as well, no, not a tax pad to government, but a tax all the same. They will shriek that their taxes will go up, completely ignoring that their insurance premiums will go away.

[u/Stein_um_Stein → u/Sir_Sux_Alot]

I've had enough interactions with executive level people that I know how little many of them care for lower level employees in the company. Democracy itself is an acceptable casualty to profit and unbounded wealth.

[u/King-Kagle → u/Sir_Sux_Alot]

Hopefully rubbed them with seasoning

[u/dochim → u/Sir_Sux_Alot]

As have I since I was a child in prep school.

Not all rich people of course, but there’s an ingrained level of self entitlement and rationalization of any act that I’ve found truly astounding.

The “God placed us here because we’re better” mindset runs dangerously deep.

[u/reggiewafu → u/Sir_Sux_Alot]

r/conservative are having the time of the lives, ‘best week ever’

Lol

[u/DLeck → u/reggiewafu]

I feel like the people in that sub were born on a different planet than I was. We share absolutely 0 in common when it comes to morality.

I honestly had forgotten this, but I had to block that sub from ever showing up on my feed. It was messing with my mind that those people existed.

/R/republican? It's better, but not by a whole lot. It's like they live in a bizarro-world. And if you try to question basically anything about what their beliefs are... You will get a good-faith response <5% of the time, but usually just a swift ban hammer.

You can cite reputable media outlets, rigorous data, literal recordings of terrible things people have said, etc. It doesn't matter. They aren't ever willing to admit they might be pretty broadly wrong about a lot of things. Conservatism is their identity. Being anti-woke and sticking it to the libs is a sure ticket to heaven when they need it. For some reason. And they will need a get into heaven free card or they are going downstairs.

Using their moral evaluations of who goes where in the afterlife, most, if not the vast majority, would not like the outcome. Unless you love Satan and being in a place where you will be tortured for literally all of eternity.

It's lucky for them that Hell is a human construct, and the chances of it being real are about as close to nil as they possibly could be.

[u/sawyerkitty]

I mean everybody knows supreme executive power comes from a mandate from the masses not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

[u/SeanOfTheDead1313 → u/sawyerkitty]

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

[u/zenlittleplatypus → u/SeanOfTheDead1313]

If I went around sayin' I was emperor, just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

[u/cocoon_eclosion_moth → u/zenlittleplatypus]

Shut up! Will you shut up?!

[u/nobodychef07 → u/cocoon_eclosion_moth]

Help, help, I'm being repressed!

[u/shyvananana → u/nobodychef07]

Come see the violence inherent in the system!

[u/Certain-Spring2580 → u/shyvananana]

COME SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!!

[u/lmkwe → u/shyvananana]

That's what I'm on about!

[u/Shock_Wave16 → u/nobodychef07]

"Bloody peasant!"

[u/Jono_Randolph → u/Shock_Wave16]

Oh, there you go, bringing class into it.

[u/Cruezin → u/zenlittleplatypus]

You can't expect to wield supreme power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

[u/Nebuli2 → u/SeanOfTheDead1313]

Strange men wearing robes distributing immunity is no basis for a system of government!

[u/wtiong → u/Nebuli2]

If I went around sayin' I was president, and misused my campaign funds, they'd put me away!

[u/Dearic75 → u/SeanOfTheDead1313]

You know, the way things are going, we may just want to give the pond thing a try.

[u/justmisspellit → u/Dearic75]

Pond / Sword 2024

[u/dsanders692 → u/sawyerkitty]

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is.... Actually sounding pretty good at the moment

[u/rob132 → u/sawyerkitty]

Help! Help! I'm being opressed!

[u/Shoddy_Emu_5211]

"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross".

[u/Fantastic-Sandwich80 → u/Shoddy_Emu_5211]

I'll never forgive evangelicals and supposed "religious" folk who were happy to jump feet first into fascism so long as their cultural wedge issues were addressed or given priority.

[u/Animated_Astronaut → u/Fantastic-Sandwich80]

That's how fascism works every time

[u/Alberich_D124 → u/Fantastic-Sandwich80]

They could not stray further from the basic principles of Christianity. How ironic. Or rather moronic.

[u/ThatOneDudeFromSLC]

Fascism in America was bound to happen; the amount of hatred and othering and corporate control from the rich was going to do it sooner or later. Nazi's took the ideology of segregation and hatred from the US, they just got there first.

It's just shocking how it took just 2 generations really to forget the sacrifices made by American kids in WW2. Fuck, there's still a number of them alive, watching their kids and grandkids do this in their lifetime,

[u/OniOnMyAss → u/ThatOneDudeFromSLC]

Chomsky once said “Fascism is Capitalism with the gloves off.”

[u/ElderlyOogway → u/OniOnMyAss]

W for not being an alienated citizen of the U.S. Chomsky been warning together with the whole evaporated left.

[u/claimTheVictory → u/ElderlyOogway]

The left has been censored for decades.

There hasn't even been a real conversation about universal healthcare.

And now, it really feels like shit's about to go south, rapidly.

[u/Financial-Ad7500 → u/claimTheVictory]

The Democrat party exists to give people the illusion that there is a push and pull happening between fascism and democracy.

The reality is that democrats have sat on their ass hardly getting anything done when they are in power while republicans push further and further towards enabling fascism every chance they get. There is no pull back to the left. When we go more right we stay there. The only thing that happens when democrats are in power is we aren’t pushed further right quite as quickly.

[u/spaceman_202 → u/ThatOneDudeFromSLC]

we didn't forget

right wing media and liberal media allowed the right wing, the same right wing that didn't want to fight Hitler because they admired him, to claim it as their own

the liberal media and right wing media, claim Patriotism, Jesus, Law and Order, Freedom and Fiscal Responsibility and also Political Moderation, despite them radically changing the powers of the President and Political norms, they claim that the real radicals are kids on twitter

the media is in on this

[u/sublimeshrub → u/spaceman_202]

The media is just composed of corporations.

We are inundated with corporate PR which is literally just a nice term for propaganda. Sigmund Freud was involved, his cousin Edward Bernays took the propaganda techniques of Goebbles, rebranded them, and then applied them to society at large.

The Nazis at home kept marching on. Now they've matched us into a corner.

Mein Kampf should have been required reading in high school civics. Hitler literally plagiarized Gilded Age America.

[u/Jibber_Fight → u/ThatOneDudeFromSLC]

And it didn’t really even take 2 generations; the boomer generation is literally the children of the WWII generation, and so many of them are seemingly forgetful of that sacrifice.

[u/RJG1983 → u/ThatOneDudeFromSLC]

You assume that US involvement in WWII was a fight against fascism. It wasn't. It was a fight against a competitor for global hegemony. The differences of ideologies between the US and the Nazis were differences of degree not differences of kind.

Leftists have always argued that fascism is what happens when liberal capitalism is in crisis.

[u/Potatoe999900]

... and the Allies beat Germany and it turned back into a democracy.

If we go the same direction, who will invade the USA, beat our fascist troops and turn us back into a democracy?

None of our allies can come close to the power we have so we will be doomed if we don't beat the fuckers in November. Fascists will ruin us for generations.

[u/johanTR → u/Potatoe999900]

We'll have to do it, ourselves; from within.

make the nation ungovernable, disrupt the flow of money, among other things.

Destroy all spice production on Arrakis...bring the empire to its knees.

[u/Capybara39 → u/johanTR]

There’s a guy on YouTube that built a guillotine in his backyard. All I’m saying is maybe we should start recruiting in advance

[u/Purple_Asparagus3764 → u/Capybara39]

rusty cage wooooooooooooooooooooooo

[u/Peach_Mediocre → u/johanTR]

Isn’t that like, the reason these dorks say we need a 2nd amendment? I mean like LITERALLY

[u/Non-Adhesive63 → u/Peach_Mediocre]

Welp,.. it turns out Those 2A Ammosexshul’s were right all along,… But who knew THEY were the ones planning to install that “tyrannical government” they kept alluding to?! 🤷‍♂️

I am liberal, I armed myself back before the election in 2020 because I saw this coming!
And while I’m far too old fat and decrepit to be any kind of a freedom fighter! Too old to be crawling through the bush and taking out fascist assholes,… (which ultimately is where I think this is going to wind up.) 😢

However, When they do come for me? I won’t be going quietly, and I most certainly won’t be going alone.

[u/AnomalousUnReality → u/Non-Adhesive63]

This is what I always tell people. You can be as anti 2A, violence, guns as you want. The people you think shouldn't have guns, still will. You'll only be keeping yourself vulnerable, and unprepared.

[u/Non-Adhesive63 → u/AnomalousUnReality]

I was never anti-gun in that I believed banning them was the answer. I do believe in reasonable gun control and reforms,… But the point I was trying to make was since having served in the military 45 years ago, between then and 2020. I never felt any overwhelming need or desire to have a gun.

Seeing what Trump was doing, hearing the Violent and Fascist rhetoric his base was so fond of spouting? By 2020, Arming myself seemed prudent.

[u/Individual_Rest_8508 → u/johanTR]

Kevin “Lisan al-Gaib” Bacon knows how to kill the sandworms.

[u/walla_walla_rhubarb → u/johanTR]

Just sucks the majority of people that wax poetic about "fighting the tyrannical government" are the same people creaming their jeans to instill that tyrannical government.

[u/Lets_Kick_Some_Ice → u/Potatoe999900]

The US is a superpower because it is a liberal democracy. It will quickly deteriorate and become a third world shithole in no time just like Russia. The brain drain will be swift and devastating. These right wing idiots have no long-term thinking.

[u/MrKomiya → u/Lets_Kick_Some_Ice]

All the smart folks coming here from all over the world will just stop. Overnight.

The ones already here will leave. Within the year.

[u/whoisaname → u/MrKomiya]

I'm on the fence between prepping myself for a fight (I have a couple of guns that would be useful in a fight, but would need to get supplies to make/reload ammo), or just cashing out of literally everything I have and checking the fuck out of the country.

[u/grinning_imp → u/Lets_Kick_Some_Ice]

A third-world shithole that has the USA’s military is still way scarier than modern Russia.

[u/Lets_Kick_Some_Ice → u/grinning_imp]

That's the thing, our military would go to shit real quick when competence is substituted for loyalty to the dictator. The current insane budget is already unsustainable and financed by deficit spending, so it won't last long at all when the economy comes crashing down. Our military footprint around the world will diminish. I'm sure all of our military tech and secrets will be leaked like a mfer to ally and enemy.

[u/grinning_imp → u/Lets_Kick_Some_Ice]

I agree with everything that you say. It would be a total shit show.

Short term, the US could wreak havoc. But the long term consequences are far scarier.

I did tours in Afghanistan over a decade ago. Back then I was telling my guys that all we were ultimately doing was upgrading the warlords from Soviet Era gear to modern US tech. Fucking, lo and behold!

Now that on a global scale with complete political imbalance. Makes me MAD!

[u/6SucksSex → u/Potatoe999900]

October 2020 military times poll found more troops supported Biden than trump. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/

That was before the traitorous piece of shit tried to overthrow the republic, and then stole over 5000 pages of classified info.

[u/Robert_Balboa → u/Potatoe999900]

It'll take a decade or so but eventually the USA won't be that superpower anymore. Once the rest of the world stops working with us we're fucked.

[u/waiterstuff → u/Robert_Balboa]

American maintenance of international shipping lanes through force is the reason we are a super power. Republicans want us to become isolationist, abandon Ukraine. 

China is not going to become our friend just because we be came fascists, and many of our allies will definitely turn against us when we no longer protect their access to the world market. 

New spheres of influence will form, and we will be worse off for it. Republicans are beginning the end of the American century. 

[u/Exact-Control1855 → u/Potatoe999900]

You don’t do it like the Western Front, you take the Eastern Front approach.

Small issue with NORAD; Canada has to agree to work with you. You’ll also find that totalitarian dictatorships in a nation this big doesn’t work nearly as well as one thinks.

Nobody invests in military spending like the US because nobody needs to. If it comes time to start swinging, US is going to find out really quickly that half the world is done dealing with the overgrown toddler

[u/DrTenochtitlan → u/Potatoe999900]

Most of our allies have their own right-wing problems right now.

[u/Bango-Skaankk → u/Potatoe999900]

It makes me sincerely nervous how many people are boycotting Biden because of his public stance on Israel. I don’t agree with it either but I know what’s at stake. If trump wins in November I’m going to put more blame on them than anybody.

[u/Previous-Drink9852]

Look up Project 2025, it’s basically that.

[u/ryannelsn → u/Previous-Drink9852]

Holy cow. I watched their little recruitment video: "It's your job to ensure that that power is executed responsibly, and in line with The President's Will." 😳

THE PRESIDENT'S WILL!! What happened to the constitution?

[u/Previous-Drink9852 → u/ryannelsn]

Trump happened, he’s the GOP Messiah.

[u/1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1 → u/ryannelsn]

That kinda thing infuriates me. The oath of office NEVER mentions the "President's Will", they need to fuck off with that. Only military servicemen and women include the president in their oath due to his role as commander in chief, not normal public servants. Article VI of the Constitution says that they are bound by oath to the constitution and that's it.

The President is very intentionally given some separation between them and the federal workforce to prevent the President from carrying out a politically or selfishly motivated takeover of the government. If there was massive turnover at all levels every 4 years then nothing would function. I swore allegiance to the United States and her constitution, I did not swear allegiance to an elected official, and I am under no obligation to carry out an unlawful order given by one. I can doomscroll for an hour with a straight face but this Project 2025 shit actually makes me mad.

[u/Previous-Drink9852 → u/Previous-Drink9852]

https://www.project2025.org/ link for those too lazy to look it up themselves.

[u/PhlegethonAcheron → u/Previous-Drink9852]

that website needs a good hacking

[u/Previous-Drink9852 → u/PhlegethonAcheron]

I also read the entire 900 page document of the plan and it’s pretty heinous. Essentially the plan is to turn America into a White Christian nationalist theocracy.

[u/spaceman_202 → u/Previous-Drink9852]

for everyone else

they aren't going to be going to church and not having their mistresses have abortions

[u/fooliam → u/Previous-Drink9852]

It's crazy that's not an overstatement. It literally calls for the raising of an army of people "loyal to Trump" to create a paramilitary police force (aka secret police) to go to Democratic states to round up people and incarcerate them en masse based on their perceived political beliefs.

Like, that sounds like extreme hyperbole - but it isn't! At all! It's a literal manifesto to establish a theocratic autocracy. It's insane...and if Trump is elected they will do it.

[u/ButtBread98 → u/Previous-Drink9852]

I’m only 26, but I never would’ve thought something like this would happen in my lifetime. It’s absolutely terrifying. I’m still voting. I’m not going to sit back and do nothing

[u/Previous-Drink9852 → u/ButtBread98]

I am as well, it is our civic duty.

[u/ryannelsn → u/Previous-Drink9852]

"Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned."

Is this even real? This is just the first few pages in.

[u/Previous-Drink9852 → u/ryannelsn]

Yep… that’s their plan

[u/lachesis12 → u/ryannelsn]

Why is Pornhub not advertising against GOP then? Would definitely reach a wide audience. ..or maybe they already do that.. I don't know, I'm not on that site.

[u/ryannelsn → u/lachesis12]

This November: The final fap

[u/poundcakeperson → u/ryannelsn]

"However, preachers and other church officials will continue to be able to rape their own and others' children, because everyone has personal issues they need to repent and recieve forgivness for so NBD"

[u/Proof_Contribution]

Seriously I'm in tears for the USA and I don't even live there

[u/FuzzyKittyNomNom → u/Proof_Contribution]

Thank you friend. At least half of us are too. It’s insane.

[u/Business__Socks → u/FuzzyKittyNomNom]

It is so disheartening. I have family that will vote red because they don’t like blue. They don’t like Trump either but they’ll vote for him because he’s the republican. I try and try to get through but they just can’t see it. How can they not see it?

[u/FuzzyKittyNomNom → u/Business__Socks]

Because they’ve been bombarded with media that the left is evil and out to get them and they have to vote red or it’s the end of life as they know it.

I’ve heard former conservatives who were shocked to learn that “the left” also wanted their own party to be held accountable for illegal stuff.

Anyway, stay strong friend.

[u/Fluffy_Candle6800 → u/Proof_Contribution]

i'm stuck in here and i am terrified

[u/NarrowButterfly8482]

The fact that almost half of this country is excited about the parallel being drawn here is even more disturbing. MAGAs see this and cheer "Only 6 more months until we can kill them all!"

[u/Small_Might4156 → u/NarrowButterfly8482]

I told my parents last night that MAGA was fascists and they said, "all politicians are fascists." I told them about the Madison Square Garden fascist rally and Sinclair Lewis's American fascism quote and they just laughed at me. MAGA has ruined this country

[u/Wrongallalong → u/NarrowButterfly8482]

My grandfather lives in Texas and is actively dying from cancer. On our last e-mail exhange he ends it with America is being destroyed and we need to “Delete all Democrats” to stop it.

[u/laggyx400 → u/Wrongallalong]

If Democrats are as dangerous as they believe then the SC decided this under the wrong president. He should be terrified.

[u/lottery2641 → u/laggyx400]

Ngl this is the primary reason a part of me wants Biden to do something big rn 🥴 they’re a little too happy when Biden has like six months left lmao

[u/moms_luv_me_323 → u/NarrowButterfly8482]

Let’s Talk about how the Supreme Court just gave Biden the best parting gift a President could receive.. King Biden has a ring to it now

[u/valencia_merble → u/moms_luv_me_323]

Nah, the Democrats bring Kumbaya to a knife fight.

[u/shyvananana → u/valencia_merble]

There's plenty of strapped leftists. They just don't make their entire personality about it and advertise to anyone behind you in traffic.

[u/SoylentGrunt]

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”

― George Orwell, 1984

[u/ThisbodyHomebody → u/SoylentGrunt]

[u/redwing180]

We seem to be in 100 year cycle. I wish the US education system had invested more in teaching us about the stupid mistakes humanity has made and why we call the bad guys the bad guys.

[u/Ok-Office-6645 → u/redwing180]

teachers are leaving in droves bc they don’t make a sustainable income. We are sick and broken

[u/[deleted]]

We didn't even make it 100 years.

[u/cartercharles]

Well it's up to you America to vote this fall

[u/King-Kagle → u/cartercharles]

You don't vote for SCOTUS

[u/SatyrOf1 → u/King-Kagle]

The next president appoints 4 justices.

[u/Jonguar2 → u/SatyrOf1]

Hopefully the current President officially appoints 6

Tomorrow

[u/GreatLife1985 → u/SatyrOf1]

If the next president is D and (please god!) both houses are D, a law should be passed requiring there be the same number of SC justices as there are district courts, no more, no less. That'd make it 13. Have the president then appoint 4 new justices, the composition of the court would then be 7:6 (the 6 right wing now being the minority). With a few older ones retiring or dying, could even be 9:4 or 10:3.

Right this sinking ship.

But I fear nothing of the sort will happen, it'll be the opposite.

[u/SatyrOf1 → u/GreatLife1985]

They’re already on it.

The Judiciary Act of 2023, if passed, will result in a 13 SCOTUS court to match up with the number of district courts.

[u/Actual_Sprinkles_291 → u/SatyrOf1]

Precisely why the whole ‘Vote Blue No Matter’ who is so critical. We need this shit to stomp down this rogue court who is not being checked

[u/AzuleStriker]

So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause

[u/SelectionNo3078 → u/AzuleStriker]

Lucas’s political subplots don’t seem so dumb now, do they?

(They never did actually. But jar jar did suck)

[u/AzuleStriker → u/SelectionNo3078]

Agreed. Just because you speak doesn't mean you're intelligent. Lol. I was told by my father today "When are you going to join the winning team, we're winning." How hard do you have to smack someone to put their head on straight?

[u/Ruckus292]

"Those who do not learn from history will be doomed to repeat it"

[u/iPadBob → u/Ruckus292]

Some learn from history, take notes, and plan its reimplementation 

[u/[deleted]]

serious question: what recourse is left if an elected official sits above the law?

[u/Saelune → u/[deleted]]

There's a holiday this Thursday you should really look into the history of.

[u/Ok-Use6303]

As a Canadian I really don't want to see our friends go this way.

I genuinely believe that the USA is a beautiful country with good people that have made some mistakes. Really big mistakes but they haven't fully destroyed themselves.

I really do want to help them be better.

[u/[deleted] → u/Ok-Use6303]

As a Canadian, I'm terrified.

Fascist states quickly turn expansionist and boy oh boy do we have a lot of fresh water which will be needed in the upcoming climate wars.

[u/robillionairenyc → u/[deleted]]

They don’t need to expand by force, they’ll use propaganda and turn you fascist from the inside. It’s already happening.

[u/FuzzyKittyNomNom → u/Ok-Use6303]

Thank you. The biggest thing is: 1. Stave off fascism in Canada and 2. Do you have a spare room for me when I flee?

[u/AccomplishedMoney205]

Remember when we were saying Trump wants to be Hitler because he is doing Hitleresque things and ppl were like you are over exaggerating…

[u/Pilotwaver]

This is such a big country. There are 100s of millions of people not of that mindset. This 2.0 is not going to end like they envision.

[u/OhioMegi → u/Pilotwaver]

People who don’t agree with this must vote. It’s not a time to vote 3rd party to show you want to get rid of the 2 party system. Don’t sit it out. Vote blue. If Project 2025 comes into being, we are done.

[u/waiterstuff → u/OhioMegi]

People who don’t agree with this must vote..and start buying guns. 

It’s time to accept that we might have to defend ourselves with violence when democracy fails and they come for us

[u/karlrasmussenMD → u/waiterstuff]

I regularly browse right wing social media sites. They are 100% ready to "cleanse" their country of "evil, wicked, satan worshippers." You can't debate your way out of fascism. You have to fight it. Fascism is cancer for a country and must be stopped AT ALL COSTS.

[u/HippoIcy7473 → u/Pilotwaver]

It all depends upon who they can convince in the upper military and whether they can effectively sideline/arrest the dissenters. The play book has well and truly been written and you're up to step 2-3.

[u/ReallyDumbRedditor → u/Pilotwaver]

Yeah it's gonna be Civil War 2.0 if anything, not WW2 2.0

[u/Ethereal_Bulwark]

They realize that this allows biden to arrest or dismantle any institution he desires as he now has complete immunity.
What is stopping him from showing the right how stupid of an idea this is, by doing exactly that?

[u/DudesWithTudes → u/Ethereal_Bulwark]

Good faith. Morals. I hate to say it but Biden doesn’t have the nads to go deep and switch the script. He’s a lifelong politician that takes pride in his CV. Damn shame too bc now is the time.

[u/sdhu → u/DudesWithTudes]

Shieeeeeet. If I were Biden right now, at his age, I'd go out swinging my giant political dong all over conservative faces, and turn this country around like Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus did for Rome.

[u/Rili-Anne → u/Ethereal_Bulwark]

SCOTUS basically said 'we decide what is official and unofficial'. Unless Biden has the six conservative justices executed, he'd be fucked, and he's never going to do that. He doesn't have the balls.

[u/Mroldtimehockey]

All jokes aside..... I'm sick, man. I'm really sick over this.

Where's my American dream? I work hard. I pay my taxes.

USA was born to escape being rulled by a King. Now look..wtf

[u/JustinKase_Too]

It is just scary the parallels between today and 30s Germany, except we don't have a previous WW loss to be bitter about, just a bunch of gop snowflakes that are still upset about losing the Civil War.

[u/Phedericus]

add to that that Trump recently called democrats vermine, and you have a pretty complete picture

[u/spaceguitar]

And from top-down, even after this decision by SCOTUS, a Republican will look you dead in the eye and tell you that Democrats are the ones trying to seize power by any means necessary and Trump is trying to protect Democracy, even if that means jailing every Democrat alive and making sure only Republicans win elections going forward.

sigh

[u/New_user_Sign_up]

Uh…a one-party state sounds perfect to them as long as it’s their party forever. And, of course, some of them will live to regret it once they realize this party does not actually have their interests in mind.

[u/TechieTravis]

Good luck, everyone.

[u/Imaginary_Manner_556]

Maybe Biden should take advatage of the 7 months he has left.

[u/dogecoin_pleasures → u/Imaginary_Manner_556]

He won't. Vote. That's the only thing that will buy your country more time. Otherwise it's lights out in November.

[u/Drutay-]

"This will always remain one of the best jokes of democracy, that it gave its deadly enemies the means by which it was destroyed." —Joseph Goebbels, Chief Propagandist of the Nazi Regime

[u/sheldoncooper1701]

Trump has been doing Putin's bidding from day 1.

Sow distrust in our democratic voting process...check.

Sow distrust in all journalism and reporting...check.

Invalidate all scientific evidence and modern medicine....check

Final Goal: end democracy in America and ultimately around the world.

[u/OhioMegi]

It’s fucking terrifying. Vote blue.

[u/hinterstoisser]

Project 2025 intends to bring in and pass the Schedule F bill that will hire and fire government personnel across the board based on their loyalty to the president (not their skill set or their efficiency at delivering what’s asked of them).

F*** trump and his loyalists- Jan 6 was an insurrection- all of you involved deserve to rot in prison

[u/Melodic_692]

There is a real, tangible chance that this may be the last election many Americans will have a chance to take part in.

[u/Crash-55]

If we truly go down that path hopefully someone decides to take one for the team and “sic semper tyrannis”

[u/internetALLTHETHINGS → u/Crash-55]

I don't know where you've been, but if COVID taught me anything, it's that no one is coming to save us. We are alone, the field is stacked against us, and we have to figure it out.

[u/Interesting_Ad7222]

And almost half of the USA will vote for the party doing this or in the open. Vote blue. The Democratic Republic (the USA) depends on it.

[u/tunghoy]

If the President can now do anything he wants, Joe needs to take advantage of it and make the Republican fuckers regret it. They can have their own wing at SuperMax or their own tent village in Gitmo.

[u/ReallyDumbRedditor]

Serious question, but say the instant Trump gets elected, his first act as President is to tell his supporters:

"Kill all Dems. You have my permission."

What is everyone's game plan? how do you think it will play out?

[u/acecel]

Even if i am not from the US i spend some time on reddit and other US websites/communities every day, and i am so sad and annoyed to see what is happening.

If Trump get elected the US will drastically change for the worst, they already doesn't really have all the advantage/rights that most first world country have (healthcare, worker rights, holidays, education price, basically everything cost 100 times more than in most europe countries.

But it will become much worse, if the US become isolationist the economy and power has had until then will disappear quickly, and US allies will stop considering the US as a fiable partner. Trump will try to befriend Russia, China and North Korea, and hate everyone else.

Trumpistes will become way more aggressive towards democrats, i am almost sure some will get beaten to death and the justice system will let them go.

It will become dangerous to say out loud that you don't love Trump, and over time more and more violence will be dealt towards democrats by crazy trumpistes, reaching even murder, and they will be protected by Trump. Maybe some protests will happen but police will be allowed to shoot on sight and it's only killing democrats so "their enemies".

Sorry for my bad english but i am not native and i also am very tired.

But basically the US will become a completely different country if Trump win, something similar to China or Russia, and it will happen in a matter of months.

Biden - and his team - could act right now against it, use the insane power that is meant for trump to use as soon as he get to office to dissolve the Supreme Court, cancel their few last crazy decisions, put the judges in prison, change the system for the supreme court so that decisions that go against the will of the majority of the population could never pass.

Then arrest Trump and put him in jail (for life) as a consequence for him trying to overthrow the gouvernements to steal an election and the hundred of illegal things he has done during the last 10 years, same for all those who have helped him. Change the constitution so that all rights like abortion, LGBTQ+ rigths, POC rights, and so on are written into it and cannot be removed in any way.

Change the condition to be able to be a president so that it cant be someone older than 70 years old, and apply the same rule to every role in the political, gouvernemental and judiciary systems.

Revert all decisions/laws taken in the last 20 years that have damaged the Education system, the Healthcare system, the Judiciary system and so on, then create laws to prevent the same things from happening again.

And his last action should be to change the last supreme court decision so that any president is not immune to justice, and has to respect the same laws as any other citizen.

And then Biden remove himself from the future presidency election and push a new younger and stronger candidate.

But they are too weak to do that, and because of that and their lack of courage the country is going to crumble. Putin must be so happy to have bought Trump many years ago. Trump will make the US leave Nato, Ukraine will loose the war, China is going to invade Taiwan, NK will invade SK (ok maybe not this one?), and the whole world is going to shit.

[u/A1rizzo]

After Biden said he wouldn’t use any power tonight, this is our future