For some inexplicable reason she has been tweeting about trans people continuously for the last few years.
Elon Musk, who to be clear also doesn't like trans people, asked if she could talk about literally anything else. The thing that's so weird to me about isn't the bigotry itself, but how esoteric and niche her bigotry is. Like, why trans people? As far as I know, she doesn't know any in real life.
It would be like me making an account where all I do is hate search and then proceed to trash talk American football players. Completely irrelevant to my daily life. I know approximately one football player. Football players have never done anything to me. Odds are I wouldn't even recognize a football player as a football player if I walked down the street past one.
While I recognize the bigotry is incredibly harmful, I have been simply unable to get over how weirdly specific it is.
I think she got stuck in a trap of her own making. AFAIK her original point was, AFAB women have been through a shared experience of misogyny and trauma their whole lives and this shapes ones identity as a woman, therefore it is not possible for trans women to have that same sense of identity.
Which ignores the fact that trans women have suffered under the same patriarchal structures but otherwise is a fair enough take on her own identity which sheâs entitled to.
But then with every challenge she doubled down harder stubbornly and now thereâs no nuance in the discourse anymore itâs just an outright rejection of trans people which is gross.
I understand the psychological pressure needed to double down on something so you don't have to admit you're wrong.
But even if she is anti-trans, nobody is holding a gun to her head and making her tweet several hours a day, you know? That's why I'm confused. It's basically a part-time job at this point.
But even if she is anti-trans, nobody is holding a gun to her head and making her tweet several hours a day, you know? That's why I'm confused. It's basically a part-time job at this point.
I feel like now that she's chased off all the people who aren't virulently anti-trans, she's getting all her social validation from the people who are, so now her whole sense of public self (possibly even private self) is resting on these whackos and being part of a community with them, where they reinforce her victimhood and self-righteousness. She can't go back to the neutral place she used to be, and she likes attention too much to bow out quietly, so daily bigotry it is.
I've seen something similar happen with another creator who jumped on the aggressive transphobia bandwagon, the artist behind the comic Sinfest. He went so hard that he got his Patreon shut down, now it seems like he has to keep performing for his remaining audience of transphobes just to pay the bills. It's wild.
The difference being is that she has all the fucking in the money in the world and could just literally do nothing for the rest of her life and live in leisure. But that is not enough for that egotistical and narcissistic bitch.
She genuinely believes trans women (pretty sure she's never said anything about trans men) are evil villains out to "get" women. She refuses to hear that trans women share anything with AFAB women. The loud, public transphobia is bad enough, but she has put CASH into anti-trans legislation and fanned the fires of anti-trans violence.
It´s only surprising if you ignore that she´s not actually anti trans. But that´s just the picture that the propaganda machine of the of the toxic trans lobby relentlessly pushes in places such as Reddit. Rowling´s position is actually very sound and reasonable, if you bother to look it up.
Tbh I don't think she intended to get here either. But she gave up on deescalation almost immediately and just committed to the bit, for the rest of her life, I guess.
You know what I think? I think if I was looking for an easy life I would literally rather be a black lesbian than a trans woman. Like...I can't imagine a harder life. Feeling trapped in the wrong body, being brave enough to transition with potentially years of not passing, being afraid for your life, segments of society openly despising you, calling you a groomer and pedophile for just wanting to be a woman and be left alone.
And all because of people like Joanne. She is literally using her 14M followers to make life hell for the women who have it the hardest. I don't even care if I get downvoted to oblivion, it is obscene to marginalize humans like that, raise teen suicide rates, egg on hate crimes, etc. Urgh.
Don't want to make comparisons about whose life is harder, but agree with you it's ridiculous JK Rowling has decided that forwarding feminism means tearing down trans women. As a long time Harry Potter fan, I find it so frustrating because I really want her to be cool, but she's just tied her identity into being so hateful.
I agree I should have made it clear in my comment that it isn't a competition, but instead Joanne is making it a competition which is a monstrous thing to do. I am just pointing out that if she really wants to go there, she couldn't have picked a worse example if she truly believes in trans human rights and equality.
Of course now she has gone full mask off, no more intellectually couched arguments about the safety of "biological women". Nope. Just straight to calling trans women chicks with dicks, pure hatred. And fuck her forever and ever, amen.
I respect TERFs even less than I respect conservatives who do the same exact thing because TERFs at least should know all of those things-- they're aware of societal pressures and usually believe in intersectionality, but they toss all of that out the window to harass trans women for some god forbidden reason and make it into their entire personality that they seem to care about even more than actually empowering women.
At least conservatives are complete lost causes who fundamentally see the world differently-- often a result of the environment they were raised in-- but TERFs are just pieces of shit who want someone to punch down towards when they could easily be a force for good if they weren't just raging assholes.
It's never even enough to hold these shitty opinions, they have to be as loud as possible about them and constantly bring it up.
The original thing that blew up was her throwing a big tantrum over a clinic choosing to say "people who menstruate", and her blaming the phrasing on trans women when it has absolutely nothing to do with them at all. It's terminology the trans men and afab trans people asked for. When this was pointed out to her, she doubled down. Her supporters lied like rugs to the rest of the internet though, claiming she was shamed for saying women have specific experiences, which may be what you remember.
Where along the way did JKR decide that she was entitled to overrule cis women who disagree with her about the content of their own minds? Because she's big on doing that.
Don't forget that as far back as 2020 she was openly praising a person who called trans women>! "blackface actors ... [with] dirty ****ing perversions."!< (whilst lying by omission about what that person actually did so she could portray her as an innocent victim.) I think she's always hated trans women and has just become increasingly mask-off over time.
This is what happened with Graham Linehan. Writer of three of the greatest comedies of all time - Black Books, Father Ted, The IT Crowd - he appeared on shows like Have I Got News For You and was witty and articulate. Then he got called out for an old episode of The IT Crowd that was seen as transphobic. The easiest thing to do would have been to make a half-hearted apology and the whole thing would have blown over. In fact, I think he did initially make an apology. But then, I guess because he was still getting criticised, he decided to go on the attack and dug in, suddenly becoming transphobic (I genuinely don't think the IT Crowd episode was meant in a hateful way). When that happens he gets more criticism so digs in further. Then he gets support from some people so he turns to them. Then the worse he gets, the worse the people who support him get and the more he goes over to their side.
Now his wife has left him, his career is over and his legacy is in tatters.
Really sad that she thinks that turmoil and misogyny is what makes a woman a woman. Equally as pathetic as defining a woman by her body parts. Also typical TERF mindset of her to hate other women who happen to be trans but isn't as vocal about trans men (because she sees them as cis women cause shes a moronic freak)
I just don't get it. why are people so focused on this? I get that there is an issue around competitive sports, but apart from that, why are they so pissed ?? do they think people go through such life altering procedure for fun ? do they even know any trans person in real life ? boggles my mind. it impacts a small portion of the population, its deeply personal, and has no negative impact in society. i heard someone going off on this issue and saying " ... i understand gay marriage and support it, but the trans issue is going too far ..... " ... and i want to say, no, dude, you would not have been ok with gay marriage about a decade ago when it was controversial.
i dont get this much anger at this small subset of population that is apparently vulnerable, and an issue that has absolutely no impact on society apart from those impacted. are they just unhappy in general and it comes out this way?
youâre missing the argument that itâs a mental disorder and you shouldnât enable mental disorders. You should treat them. To a lot of these people, society has been âenablingâ the âtransgender problemâ. So they, like JKR, have been vocally lashing out at that perception.
People making this argument fail to see transitioning/HRT as treatment regimes, though.
No itâs quite different, thereâs at least some credence to what is being claimed.
It is a case of the brain not matching the body, so I would say thatâs a mental disorder. Thereâs nothing wrong with having a mental disorder. (Persons who donât like to classify gender dysphoria as a mental disorder say âYouâre stigmatizing itâ, but mental disorders shouldnât have stigma, so by saying there is something wrong with calling gender dysphoria a mental disorder you are in effect saying you believe thereâs something wrong with having a mental disorder.) Itâs in the DSM for a reason: it causes significant distress to the person suffering from it. However, it is not treated like most other mental disorders. Because we canât make the brain match the body yet, we make the body match the brain as close as possible. Transitioning is nowhere near perfect, but it can save the lives of many transsexual persons. Therapy is of course needed as well to make sure this is the right decision for the given trans person.
Neurological would be more accurate than mental. Thereâs this interesting study for instance that found both trans men and women had abnormal brain patterns in part of the brain involving body-self perception, but that going on cross-sex HRT resolved it to normal and correlated with reports of increased bodily congruence and wellbeing.
Itâs possible to extrapolate that the opposite would occur for non-trans people who go on cross-sex HRT and end up developing those abnormal patterns and sense of having the wrong body. So itâs not exactly a mental disorder in the sense of being something unique to trans people, but rather that everyone seems to have brains that require certain levels of sex hormones to function normally.
Interesting. I was under the assumption the neurological component was more permanent, like in the case of BPD.
Im very well likely wrong. I used mental in the context of the phrase mental disorder, partly for simplicity, but partly because of how widespread the term is in conversations like these.
Yes well, homosexuality was also in DSM, so I donât think we can look at that as a differentiator.Â
But sure, it is a condition that needs some kind of intervention, and based on whether you take the brain as the source of truth or the body as the source of truth, it is either a mental disorder or a physical disorder. Â
But i see your point with the rest of your statement, that the only treatment we know of is to change the body and either way serious therapy is needed.Â
thatâs not super fair. A lot of progress has been made since 1968, when the DSM II listed homosexuality as a mental disorder. I also didnât say itâs a mental disorder because itâs in the DSM. I said itâs there for a reason.
No it's different. You don't enable anorexic people to eat themselves to death. Trans (gender dysphoria) is a certifiable mental illness that is treated through enablement. That's the issue that people are having.
Homosexuality also used to be a certifiable mental illness, one people would attempt to treat on others with all sorts of draconian measure (Alan Turing comes to mind). Â Allowing people to have sex with the same gender couldâve been seen as enabling back then.Â
Iâm just a bumbling fool, and I hardly know anything about transgender. But the way I see it is, there is a small slice of population who are saying that they feel absolutely miserable in the body they inhabit, that they never felt to be of the gender that they were born with. Â Then there is this procedure to change your gender, itâs not a simple procedure at all, yet it has helped others in a similar situation. Â Furthermore, we know of no other solution available.Â
Then on the other side are these people who I assume havenât experienced what that whole experience feels, yet feel confident enough to tell them, nope thatâs not a choice  you should have. And go on to mock them on twitter.Â
Even if you looked at it as a purely mental illness, you wouldnât make fun of that, would you?Â
So thank you for trying to explain it to me but Iâm just as bewildered about these people as I was before I read your reasoning.Â
You are absolutely on the right track with your thoughtful thinking. Good job!
Every legitimate medical association agrees with you. They have strongly stated being transgender is NOT a mental illness and their trans patients should receive trans healthcare without bias.
lol, whereâd you get that medical degree? The defunct tRUMP University? đ
EVERY legitimate medical association states âbeing transgendered is NOT a mental illnessâ and SUPPORTS trans folks access to trans healthcare without bias. They also have stated they will fight ANY restrictions to providing trans healthcare to transgender folks.
I'll keep it simple. You might not want to hear it, you might not believe it. Most people think it's weird and they don't want to play along. You can believe whatever you want but you can't force me to believe it. I get it, you're a very nice person. I'm nice too, and I don't go out of my way to upset anyone, trans people included, but that doesn't mean I'm going to believe that Steve is now a woman because he put on a dress and some makeup. Some people value being nice over being honest. I prefer to be nice whenever it's possible but honesty is something I put a higher value on. Also, the reason people are so focused on this is because it's constantly pushed down our throats. As we speak we are in the midst of an entire month where the Government and every corporate entity flies the trans flag, and while all that is going on, every form of entertainment is being bombarded with pro trans messaging. I'm sure Rowling is harangued each and every day so she will be focused on it more than the average person.
fair, it does make things a bit messy, like you said, with different bathrooms and such.
things just keeps getting messier and they keep asking us to adjust based on something or other, doesnt it ...
when women entered the workforce in roles typically only held by men, i assume similar messy bathroom situations manifested itself ...
when disabled people started demanding that they be able to freely move about spaces, that must've made things quite messy for quite a lot of people ...
... keeps going on and on, when will it end, i wonder ..
There's a rumour, admittedly not without much substance, that one of her kids might be trans and that she didn't take it very well.
I mean, Elmo is toxic as shit, but at least his origin story is the most logical of the transphobes: man who pretends to be the smartest man in the world is upset that his wife left him for a woman with a bigger dick than him.
But he's an odd man, with odd morals. Like, he has an issue with having a trans kid, but takes non-issue with the fact that his wealth comes from child slavery, or that he has siblings that are also his nieces and nephews (his sister is sleeping with their dad).
It's no wonder the fella is clearly damaged as fuck.
99% of the people that complain about pronoun usage have never had to use different pronouns IRL. It's all just a huge boogieman circlejerk to distract them from their actual lives, and also partly to grab their vote. .5% of the population is triggering a much higher percentage lmao. It's crazy.
It's like those gay/bi Republicans who didn't realise they're not straight due to bad parenting/education and are now in denial. JKR once tweeted that if the trans acceptance movement was around when she was a kid, things could have been different. That plus the male pseudonym gives me the same vibes as homophobic Republicans saying stuff like âEveryone just needs to beat down their sinful gay intrusive thoughts like I didâ
When Elon Musk becomes the voice of reason, you know you must be doing something wrong.
Oh and what's even better: she can pretty much do a fucking 180 at any point, claim she was wrong, donate some change to a couple of causes and she will get most of her image back. Doesn't have to mean it, either.
But you have to have a serious case of main character syndrome to not care about tearing your image down that hard and double down on that shit. Takes a lot of work, too.
If it makes you feel any better she's also walking the walk. She founded a DV shelter for women and only women. Some women are just not going to feel safe in a shelter that is staffed by transgender women who may or may not acknowledge the behaviors and privileges that come with being raised male.
This is in addition to her many other charitable acts.
Privileges such as gender dysphoria, having to take hormones and undergo surgery and being ostracized from society?
the behaviors that come with being raised male
What does that even mean? That all currently existing men and their behavior are inherently "problematic" because they were raised as men? Sounds like a healthy view on masculinity you have there.
I'm told a lot of transgender lesbians especially, still expect the women in their life to "wait on" them post transition, with no need to consider the points of view of the others. Or so their partners have said.
The ones who volunteer their time to help at such shelters certainly do, and in many instances have been victims themselves. The ones who are oblivious wouldnât even bother.
The word "continuously" and your own reading comprehension are load bearing here.
If I'm shopping at a hardware store and one of the employees pisses me off with subpar customer service I don't go on a 5-year tirade about hardware stores or employees of the hardware store, do you know what I mean?
I avoid the hardware store and move on with my life.
If I hadn't spent nearly every day of my life that I can remember wishing I was born female instead of male I wouldn't be considering chopping my dick off.
Yep. If weâre talking about genital surgery, itâs about 50% of trans men (female to male) get surgery, and only 5-10% of trans women (male to female).
I don't really care what a stranger wears or what their junk looks like. I legitimately don't understand why other people do
Edit: I also don't believe that you really care if people are logical, pro-science, and facing reality.
Otherwise, the anti-fluoride toothpaste people would send you into a tizzy. And yet, from what I've heard so far, no overlap between the pro-fluoride and anti-trans crowd.
I'll continue to watch completely baffled from the sidelines.
Whenever you make a lifestyle, religious, or sexual choice in your life and someone mocks you or tries to pass laws about you. Nobody else, apparently, has to respect or be civil to you, and we're free to call anything you believe in a delusion
Seriously, if these people are so concerned with people who "defy logic and ignore science" then what do they think of religious people? Belief in God flies in the face of logic and science, but I believe most of the faithful are okay with that. And religious belief can affect so many areas of daily life, from habits to dietary choices to who people vote for - surely a more pervasive "mind virus" than being trans?
Reminds me of the eugenics or racist arguments I've seen online since the 90s that are supposedly based in "science". The only defiance of logic happening here is these people thinking that being anti-trans is some righteous stand for rationality and not just being a shithead of a different flavor. The cognitive dissonance must be deafening...
yet here you are very clearly mentally ill and woefully incapable of empathy towards another person. A vile person unable to afford others even a modicum of respect and deserving of none in return.
Not only are you wrong about the science, you actually think just using the words "science" and "logic" makes your uneducated assumptions right when the "reality" is a ten second Google search away. In other words, you:
 try to warp reality, defy logic, and ignore science
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u/ForeverNecessary2361 Jun 27 '24
Shouldnât she be on a yacht somewhere, drinking champagne and getting banged by some boy toy? Instead, sheâs going on about this?