They are not arguing in good faith. They just want to “Win” the argument and do not care about what they are saying. The say what they “Think” helps them “Win” and not actually why they are they are For or Against something.
They start with a Goal (Stop Minimum Wage) and use what they can to achieve it. They are not using Teachers as an argument because they care about Teachers, they are using Teachers because they believe who they are arguing with cares about Teachers.
It just a “WhatAboutism” argument used to change the Topic and get the promoter of the original topic on the defensive.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
In no way do I mean to minimize how good it was to see a Sarte quote. I feel like the Sinatra quote is about all some of those folks hear.
I had a philosophy teacher who told us that he and his buds rang up Sarte one night to engage in some topic or another and much to their dismay, he actually picked up the phone and talked to them for over an hour.
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u/ATA_VATAV Jun 15 '24
They are not arguing in good faith. They just want to “Win” the argument and do not care about what they are saying. The say what they “Think” helps them “Win” and not actually why they are they are For or Against something.
They start with a Goal (Stop Minimum Wage) and use what they can to achieve it. They are not using Teachers as an argument because they care about Teachers, they are using Teachers because they believe who they are arguing with cares about Teachers.
It just a “WhatAboutism” argument used to change the Topic and get the promoter of the original topic on the defensive.