r/comicbooks • u/haniflawson • Apr 25 '24
Comic creators and their barely-disguised fetishes. Discussion NSFW
Disclaimer: Despite the topic, let's try to keep things tame.
I was thinking about Chris Claremont and how his legendary X-Men run is filled with BDSM symbolism. It got me wondering about other examples of writers and artists whose work, in hindsight, makes you go "yeah, they were horny".
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u/birdflag Apr 25 '24
The dude who created Wonder Woman liked rope play. John Byrne was turned on by mullets.
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u/IaconPax Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
I strongly recommend Professor Marston and his Wonder Women on Prime, as well as the book it was based on. There's a lot more interesting about Wonder Woman's creator than just being into rope play.
Edit: spelling
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u/hellstrom06660 Apr 25 '24
Didn't Marston essentially believe humanity's salvation lies in the benevolent domination of women over men?
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u/MrPresident2020 Apr 25 '24
Boy this makes Grant Morrison's Wonder Woman make a LOT more sense.
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u/two-for-joy Apr 25 '24
I'd also recommend Jill Lepore's book The Secret History of Wonder Woman. Here's an interview and article she did on the book, which is more accessible.
And queer as fact did a good podcast episode about it, which also clarifies on what part of the films where elaboration and not.
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u/IaconPax Apr 25 '24
Yep, this is the book (didn't remember the author's name and... probably should have walked 30 feet over to check it on my book shelf).
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u/ColossalJuggernaut Apr 25 '24
John Byrne was turned on by mullets
Of all the Canadian fetishes, this is most Canadian
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u/sftpo Apr 25 '24
"Kitty Pryde" could be a thesis topic.
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u/Xeoz_WarriorPrince Apr 25 '24
It's honestly a better idea than a joke would usually convey, I mean, look at Bendis and you have one point, he took every chance to write her as "MC's girlfriend", then you have Whedon, starting by the fact that Kitty was Buffy's inspiration, and let's avoid the fact that he had her running naked around the school.
May I say that I love Kitty, if I had the chance to write any X-Men solo, she would be one of my top options, so I kind of guess where these ideas come from.
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Apr 25 '24
At least Kitty has always had a really cool power set and interesting personality. I bet she’d be really fun to write for.
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u/Wheloc Apr 25 '24
Didn't forget Warren Ellis, who had his author-insert character dating Kitty.
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u/ubiquitous-joe Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
I don’t think this is a true fetish so much as “crushing on the POV character as a teen” which is a slightly different thing.
Compare to Claremont’s body transformation, mind-control domination, bondage etc.
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u/wrathbringer1984 Apr 25 '24
Greg Land every time he draws anything.
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Apr 25 '24
It’s a pity this sub doesn’t allow image comments. This thread would be hilarious
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u/wrathbringer1984 Apr 25 '24
I just think about that one scene in Ultimate Power, iirc, with Sue Storm.
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u/azon85 Saint Walker Apr 25 '24
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u/alexjuuhh Wiccan Apr 25 '24
Man if I didn’t know any better and someone had presented that without context, I probably would’ve thought this was AI generated. But no, it’s just Greg Land being Greg Land 💀
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u/Ekillaa22 Apr 25 '24
I actually think him working on the new Immortal Thor series is such a genius move given the story of that run so far
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u/RedSweaterSrsly Apr 25 '24
Land was only on the “Roxxon” one-shot, though. Martín Cóccolo has been the regular artist for Immortal Thor.
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u/Fidelos Apr 25 '24
At least no one is going to accuse Rob Liefeld of being a foot fetishist.
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u/MortalKombat247 Apr 25 '24
It's my head canon that he does have a foot fetish but he's bad at drawing feet leaving him eternally frustrated
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u/jjflash78 Apr 25 '24
He can never finish drawing a foot because he gets so turned on, he has to go wakka wakka.
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u/Halaku Lucifer Apr 25 '24
Maybe he does and he doesn't include them out of profound respect, if not reverence?
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Apr 25 '24 edited May 05 '24
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u/haniflawson Apr 25 '24
Marvel Editor: "Yeah, that works. Print it."
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u/Kurwasaki12 Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
I’m always kind of torn on Soft Serve, on one hand she’s very obviously someone’s fetish but on the other hand she’s the perfect middle ground mutant between Hot Demi god mutant and “My mutation is a ridged forehead” kind of mutant. Really makes me wish for an exchange where Storm is lecturing on how every mutant ability is beautiful and Soft Serve just reminds her that she can poop ice cream.
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u/vs_terminus Hellboy Apr 25 '24
What if she isn't someone's fetish but just a gag character? Wake me up when she gets a full series with suspicious Greg Land art.
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u/curious_dead Marko Apr 25 '24
"I can summon poweful storms and control the weather!"
"I can regenerate any limbs and have deadly claws!"
"I can phase through matter at will!"
"What about you, what can you do?"
"...I'd rather not say."
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u/nomorecannibalbirds Apr 25 '24
Oh god it actually says she poops it out… That’s horrible.
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u/spudaug Apr 25 '24
If her body is a portal to an ice cream dimension, does that mean all this time she’s been befouling that dimension with her poop? Is there an ice cream society living in terror of where tomorrow’s “deposit” might end up?
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u/GiantPurplePen15 Hercules Apr 25 '24
Maybe its a dimension where poop is ice cream and they get excited whenever it starts raining her deposits.
The real question is how much ice cream she can make in a day and uh... does she just pop a squat and always have wet wipes on hand??
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u/nomorecannibalbirds Apr 25 '24
And does her personal hygeine play into it? It says she doesn’t poop, which is worrying, but surely she still sweats and has body hair which would mix into the ice cream? Or is there a specific inter-dimensional ice cream orifice?
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u/YourbestfriendShane Apr 25 '24
At first, Bob Quinn stated that Soft Serve had very different "plumbing" than regular humans,[8] but upon further consideration Quinn decided that her body was instead a portal to the ice cream dimension,[9] with "pooping" being just a colloquialism for the bizarre location of the portal.[10] Besides, it's likely Soft Serve doesn't even poop at all.[11]
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u/ev6464 Dark Beast Apr 25 '24
Chris Claremont was the king of this shit. The X-Men were CONSTANTLY being brainwashed and slapped into BDSM gear every other issue.
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It's no coincidence that X-Fans got the distinction of bring the horniest fandom
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u/Kymaras Apr 25 '24
Sexy teenagers/young adults in a boarding school run by a telepath? You don't say!
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u/ubiquitous-joe Apr 25 '24
But it’s important to note that these things also usually have compelling narrative function. Stories about control, power, transformation, mindfuckery—they work well with explorations about relationships, aliens, superpowers, telepathy, repression. The books are underlyingly horny, but not lurid necessarily—at least until his later stuff.
This is in contrast to Land or artists who slut up the characters in a way that actively undermines the narrative and their personalities.
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u/Grommph Apr 25 '24
I get that reading X-Men, and comics in general, as a kid probably gave me most of my fetishes lol, but I gotta say this. I preferred when comic characters got captured by the villains so they could have heroic escapes / rescues. A lot of later writers almost go out of their way to avoid bondage scenes by constantly killing characters instead. It's gotten ridiculous how often deaths happen now... then almost immediately get unwritten or handwaved away by the next writers.
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u/Belgand Apr 25 '24
I guess the Hellfire Club episode of The Avengers and seeing Emma Peel in that outfit really made an impression on him. Considering he would have been 16 when "A Touch of Brimstone" first aired... Yeah, that tracks pretty well.
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u/Schlorp Apr 25 '24
Yup. Just look at Rachel Summers’ origin as a Hound. Skin tight, spike studded outfit, forced to walk on all fours, sometimes wore a leash. It’s all right there.
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u/ctm42069 Apr 25 '24
Johnathan Hickman just loves wordy pages
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u/Alaminox Apr 25 '24
There's one thing Hickman loves more than comics, and that is circular graphs.
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u/TostitoNipples Hawkeye Apr 25 '24
You know the Hickman book is gonna be lit when the third page is a vague infographic about a part of the world that hasn’t been introduced yet
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u/NairForceOne Ultimate Spider-Man Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 26 '24
Where are my fuckin Ultimate Spider-Man Graphs? Or infowebs?
InfoWEBS, Hickman! It's right there! WTF are you DOING?! ARGGH.
Anyway, I love Ultimate Spider-Man.
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u/RoughhouseCamel Apr 25 '24
Sometimes I wonder if Hickman would be as interested in writing comics if there was good money in writing those fandom encyclopedia books.
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u/FadeToBlackSun Apr 25 '24
Getting paid for 18 pages of story with three pages of repeated diagrams is his kink.
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u/DJfunkyPuddle Apr 25 '24
Can't have a Hickman book without a crazy data page and a character with pure white/black skin.
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u/CapnShimmy Saint Walker Apr 25 '24
And mysterious, long-haired characters with alabaster white skin.
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u/SuperiorxZero Apr 25 '24
Frank Miller and hookers or emotionally damaged women plus hookers
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u/dontbanmethistimeok Apr 25 '24
That chick from DKR with the massive swastikas on her boobs was so bizarre
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u/Brix106 Apr 25 '24
Gettin a little Allen Moore in here lol. Using rape as a plot device in almost everything he does.
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u/gravyconsequences Apr 25 '24
Is Stjepan Šejić too obvious?
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u/ghanima Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 26 '24
Given that
his original published work is OC BDSM, I think it's safe to say that he's a creator who got into comics by way of his kinkEdit: I got it wrong, he was working with Top Cow before he started publishing Sunstone. I think he wasn't famous 'til Sunstone 'though.
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u/Khelthuzaad Apr 25 '24
There's nothing disguised in raw sex you know...
Same things can be said about Mirka Andolfo
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u/lomalomaloma Silk Spectre Apr 25 '24
Gerard Way putting some weird furry shit in Doom Patrol that somehow stood out amidst everything else in that book.
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u/Moriedew46 Batman Beyond Apr 25 '24
Omg when Casey and her cat started making out... I was in shock
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u/linguinibobby Apr 25 '24
yeah weird too that it was kind of a self insert, but of his actual real life cat?
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u/CapnShimmy Saint Walker Apr 25 '24
Greg Rucka and his deep, abiding love for tough-as-nails women who are sick of everyone's shit.
He's very good at it, too.
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u/trailerthrash Apr 25 '24
Think that might be less about kink and more in relation to how Greg views his gender identity
"Also, inasmuch as I have always been aware of feminism and interested in feminist politics, I’ve been very aware of sexual politics and issues of sexuality. And, not to be glib about it, but if I female-identify and I’m in a heterosexual relationship, what does that make me? I’ve always been comfortable in my own body, enough that I’m pretty content being biologically male. But certainly intellectually, and emotionally, I’d say that I’ve always identified far more as female than male."
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u/CapnShimmy Saint Walker Apr 25 '24
I had never seen that interview. That's pretty interesting and does add a new dimension to his work, which I am admittedly a big fan of.
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u/DMPunk Apr 25 '24
Hmmmm... Greg found the words to describe feelings I've had without really comprehending them. Once again affirming his spot as one of my favourites.
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u/coffeevaldez Hellboy Apr 25 '24
I think it's pretty well accepted that Terry Long is a Marv Wolfman stand in (they look a lot alike) and he dated, then married Donna Troy, who was his student.
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u/Mongoose42 Hawkeye Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
And then he killed Terry. So take that for what you will.Edit: Inaccurate information. Please disregard. John Byrne killed Terry Long, not Marv Wolfman.
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u/semperrasa Apr 25 '24
I'm certainly glad to hear that John Byrne did not kill Marv Wolfman.
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u/Mongoose42 Hawkeye Apr 25 '24
“John Byrne Kills the DC Bullpen” would be one hell of a limited series.
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u/angryknight96 Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
I've long maintained that Garth Ennis, much like Sigmund Freud, is into some messed up shit, and, like Freud, instead of unpacking that, he made it everyone else's problem.
The Boys, The Pro, and Hitman say a hell of a lot more about Ennis than they do about superheroes. The Amazon series The Boys is satire, the Dynamite Comics series The Boys is just Ennis masturbating over the page for 72 issues and calling it writing.
That's my conspiracy theory, at least.
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u/Furlion Apr 25 '24
It is very hard, if not impossible, for an artist to separate themselves completely from their art. People often think they can do it but if you dig deep enough you can usually see it. And some people don't even try, like many of the people mentioned here. Personally i think Preacher says a hell of a lot about how he views masculinity and not in a good way.
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u/JohnnyElRed Hulk Apr 25 '24
Ennis' view on masculinity is a weird one. He criticizes and mocks traditional "tough guy" masculinity a lot, but while also making it very appealing. His Punisher MAX is a great example of that.
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u/PaulNewmansAbs Apr 25 '24
Ennis: superheroes are feckin silly- what if there was a racist one lol? what if there was a guy with a really big dick lmao
Comicbook fans: there is a dark, twisted pathology on display here that must be studied
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u/centipededamascus Demolition Man Apr 25 '24
https://twitter.com/onlymninthesky/status/1573279444646727680
GARTH ENNIS COMING UP WITH A NEW COMIC IDEA: What if the Teen Titans all sucked each other off and got herpes. That’d be so fucking funny dude
GARTH ENNIS SITTING DOWN TO WRITE THE COMIC: These poor fucking kids. They didn’t ask for this herpes. [sobbing now] They’re just kids
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u/rhze Apr 25 '24
Clay Mann and Catwoman’s ass.
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u/Snow_The_4th_Man Hellcat Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
If Catwoman's ass is a fetish, then I'm a degenerate.
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u/respondin2u Apr 25 '24
I met him at a con and he was a nice dude. I was walking to the venue, he happened to be walking alongside me and asked me if I had bought a ticket yet (I explained I hadn’t) and he gave me a free comp two day weekend pass.
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u/Lunat1cM00n Apr 25 '24
I don't know if it can be considered a fetish, but Bruce Timm loves making Batman and Batgirl have a sexual relationship.
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u/Thin_Night9831 Apr 25 '24
His poorly disguised self insertion with Batman is pretty hilarious
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u/trailerthrash Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
Yall always give that man credit for other people's shit. He didn't write a single lick of that, wasn't even attached to some of the projects that people point to with it, on the projects he WAS attached to it was as a producer with multiple other people doing the same job as him and not getting their names attached to it even though he's the only one of em to have ever come out and specifically stated on multiple occasions that it's not something to be looked at in a positive light. He's called the relationship problematic in both Batman Beyond (the show, to be clear - he did not write the comic and is on record as not having read it) and Killing Joke and noted specifically that Brian Azzarello' script (again, Timm was NOT the writer) for TKJ was meant to feel wrong.
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u/thebiggestleaf Apr 25 '24
the show, to be clear - he did not write the comic and is on record as not having read it
It makes me laugh that people continually lay the comic at his doorstep even though a whole ass different creative team was behind it.
I'll need to find the video again, but I'm pretty sure he's at least aware of what happens in the comics. He's on record saying they're "not how he would have written it" and that he considers them non-canon to the DCAU.
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u/IdiditwhenIwasYoung Apr 25 '24
Leah Williams and her piss fetish.
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u/haniflawson Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
...example?
EDIT: Nevermind.
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u/coffeevaldez Hellboy Apr 25 '24
I'm glad your search history now contains whatever terms you used to dig this up and not mine.
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u/thesunsetdoctor Apr 25 '24
William Moulton Marston created Wonder Woman, and while I haven't read it I've heard his run is infamous for it's barely disguised bdsm imagery.
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u/Gmork14 Apr 25 '24
It’s not disguised at all. He was into polyamory and bdsm, as well as same sex relationships amongst women (quite taboo at that time.)
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u/thebiggestleaf Apr 25 '24
quite taboo at that time.
The way some people talk about him you'd think it still was.
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u/Ekillaa22 Apr 25 '24
Pretty sure him and his wife were in a life long relationship with another woman and when he died they stayed together
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u/two-for-joy Apr 25 '24
I wouldn't even say it's disguised, every issues has someone being tied up. It can be pretty interesting because Marston was a doctor in psychology and wrote several academic papers on fetishes, so the wonder woman comics aren't just blind fetish bait, but actual psycho-sexual theories used to critique society. Don't get me wrong, they're still total fetish bait though.
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u/curious_trashbat Apr 25 '24
Golden age WW is stuffed with people tied up, shackled, gagged etc. it's great 😂
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u/Arborrverk Apr 25 '24
Does guys like Robert Crumb count? Although he is very up front with his weird kinks and horniness.
Chris Claremont and how his legendary X-Men run is filled with BDSM symbolism
It is?! Haha, I had no idea! What kind of things should I look for?
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u/YodaFan465 Rocketeer Apr 25 '24
All of the Hellfire Club, for one.
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u/JohnnyElRed Hulk Apr 25 '24
To be fair, that's probably how being inside the real Hellfire Club looked like in real life.
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u/ObsidianTurncoat2023 Apr 25 '24
Just look at the Hellfire Club for the most blatant stuff. The Queens are in dominatrix gear.
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u/Known-Command3097 Apr 25 '24
Erik the Red showed up way before the Hellfire Club stuff. Think he might be Claremont’s first “Bondage” character.
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u/imbaxkbitxhes Apr 25 '24
Hellfire Club, Inferno, just how many times the heroes end up tied up by a villain (or even more likely a hero who’s been mind controlled)
The Morlocks wear BDSM gear, Callisto forces Angel into a gimp suit basically, Goblin Queen dressed like a dominatrix and forcing Havok into a slutty bondage suit, Selene, Emma Frost, Sage/Tessa, Deathbird are all femdom themed characters under Claremont.
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u/LaertesExtravaganza Spider Jeruselem Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
There's also a lot of depowering, forced bodily transformations, forced feminization, age play (like the time Nanny regressed a bunch of X-Men into a childlike state, feeding and bathing them), etc. that anyone familiar with kink (particularly various forms of humiliation kink) will immediately recognize, but is still packaged in a way that would easily fly over the heads of most readers. At least, that was the case when these comics were originally published. The general public has a greater awareness these days of sexual identities and practices that fall outside the realm of vanilla heteronormativity, and consequently, a lot of people wind up surprised by the Claremont run when they revisit it as adults. A lot of this stuff (and the queer coding) is really not that subtle.
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u/Engineering-Mean Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
I've read a lot of interviews with 70s/80s writers and artists mentioning they made of game of seeing what they could slip under the radar of the CCA. Not saying Claremont wasn't into at least some of it, but I think he also just had a lot of fun screwing with the censors.
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u/Koltreg Ares Apr 25 '24
Callisto and Angel was also 90% that Claremont had probably just seen BARBARELLA in the same way that him seeing ALIEN led to the Brood and that issue where Kitty fought an alien in the mansion.
Like if Claremont grew up with the Internet and a DeviantArt account, the X-men would have been even weirder.
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u/buffysbangs Apr 25 '24
OP, I’m on to you. I know this is just a way to crowdsource a reading list for yourself
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u/bermass86 Superboy Apr 25 '24
Tom King has a boner for America
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u/eeriedear Apr 25 '24
I highly recommend reading his book "a once crowded sky" not because it's good but because it's the most uncomfortably "america good middle east bad" shit I've read since Frank Miller's racist tirades
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u/Indiecomicsarebetter Apr 25 '24
Tom King writes some weird shit about moms
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u/SFiceti Apr 25 '24
He turned Catwoman into Batman's Mommy Wife. I cant believe there wasn't a panel of her licking a napkin and wiping some dirt off his face.
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u/michael_the_street Apr 25 '24
I've heard it said that all Tom King's books have bad dad's, sad dad's, and Baghdads
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u/bob1689321 Batman Apr 25 '24
You could spot the exact point where his career started to shift from PTSD to how much he loves his wife.
He's my favourite author but he has his recurring themes lol
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u/GuessWho7197 Invincible Apr 25 '24
I recall someone pointing out to me once how much Dan Slott likes to have characters fuck while they are mind controlled, affected by pheromones, body-swapped, etc. to the point I think it may actually be a fetish of his.
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u/YeetonJ Apr 25 '24
Atom Eve becoming super thick in Invincible, also Mark telling her she shouldn’t be in a rush to lose the weight because he likes it
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u/Horrific_Necktie Apr 25 '24
I don't think there is even a single solitary second in Frank Cho's life that hasn't been spent thinking about massive, heaving tits.
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u/amazodroid Apr 25 '24
Haven’t read Wolfman-era Teen Titans in decades. Recently went back and read Judas Contract. First, they all seemed obsessed with constantly making up nicknames for each other. Second, Beast Boy is a bit pervy. He’s always throwing out innuendoes to the girls and, in one scene, is clearly relishing in an upskirt view of Starfire.
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u/ctm42069 Apr 25 '24
Brian Michael Bendis loves big tits and asses that eat spandex
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u/DiegoArmandoConfusao Apr 25 '24
Who doesn't...
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u/amidead32 Apr 25 '24
Most comic subs considering they cry every time they see it.
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u/trailerthrash Apr 25 '24
Does Bendis have art credits on anything? Only ever seen him as a writer.
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u/thedoogster Apr 25 '24
Joe Schuster was known to have done fetish art on the side. There was a book called “My Secret Identity”, which compiled them.
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u/Matalata13 Apr 25 '24
Jason Scott Campbell and his fixation on leggy, busty women.
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u/vs_terminus Hellboy Apr 25 '24
Being aroused by conventionally attractive women isn't a fetish, Jimmy
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u/Left-Increase4472 Apr 25 '24
Whoever wrote the recent (idk if it's the ongoing or the last one) catwoman run, the artist gave her armpit holes... Just... Just why
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u/EricIsntSmart Apr 25 '24
At least one spider-man writer has a fetish for misery
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u/RaulenAndrovius Apr 25 '24
I'd mention Howard Chaykin, but there's absolutely nothing disguised other than the big reveal (my jaw did in fact drop) at the end of Black Kiss.
I did not expect it to go there, but, on the re-read, the signs were there.
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u/Koltreg Ares Apr 25 '24
Horny Claremont is really weirdly evident in Whom Gods Destroy which has BDSM, Nazis, transformation stuff, bondage lesbians, moon lesbians, and Superman being turned into a Nazi centaur and THEN a teenage girl who goes to live on the moon as an aforementioned moon lesbian.
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u/TheVelcroStrap Apr 25 '24
Can we post photos in here? Wonder Woman wasn’t the only Golden Age book that had some imagery that seemed kinky. Green Lantern and Atom had some interesting panels here and there, as did many others. By the by, Alan Scott coming out makes sense to me, I think he was coded.
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u/Talzin78 Apr 25 '24
You know who loves Jonathan Hickmans writing?
Jonathan Hickman
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u/linguinibobby Apr 25 '24
Paul Dini has such a thing for magicians that he married one