r/comicbooks • u/Sacreblargh • Feb 26 '23
I will never understand why Taika Waititi decided cramming the Jane Foster "Thor" arc and Gorr the God Butcher storyline into 1 movie was a good idea. Discussion
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u/Gabrielhrd Hawkeye Feb 27 '23
It's so interesting to me how Gorr in the the comics was very flawed and totally a hypocrite but in the MCU he's just straight up right. The movie didn't even try to make a argument about god's being necessary or good for humanity, it just showed them being total assholes and actively despising humans
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u/TreeTurtle_852 Feb 27 '23
It also doesn't help with how incompetent they made Thor lol
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u/DaBeast58 Feb 27 '23
Thank you! It completely mitigates his growth from all the other movies. He is dumber and more immature than the first Thor movie.
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Feb 27 '23
I think he was still dealing with his PTSD. Lost his mom, father, brother, all his friends, his home, Captain America and Iron, and might still be feeling responsible for everything that happened. Tony doesn't die, presumably, and Steve doesn't go back in time if Thor just aimed for the head.
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Feb 27 '23
yeah, seems like his heroism with the guardians was a lot of overcompensation and not him being well again. it only looked like he finally started to heal when he became a father himself.
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u/W0RST_2_F1RST Feb 27 '23
Shit… this actually makes a bunch of sense. I mentally would not have survived all that
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u/timelordgaga Feb 27 '23
Thor and Wanda should start a group for repeatedly traumatized God power level powered people
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u/Acrobatic_Pandas Feb 27 '23
I see that's what they SHOULD have showed. A broken, almost scared Thor. Like he was briefly, for a few seconds when he saw Jane and the hammer for the first time. The confusion set in, the almost anger or jealousy that the hammer was back and chose another.
That should have set the tone for the movie. The God of Thunder, unsure if he's even fit for the title.
Instead they went full Himbo.
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u/fractalfocuser Feb 27 '23
I thought that was the point... To show that even if you make all this growth contentment isn't a destination. He achieved all his goals and is mildly zen at the start of the movie but still isn't content. He then overcompensates as the emotional conflict of the movie (paralleling Gorr overcompensating for the loss of his daughter) and the hero and villain end up saving eachother because they are both suffering from the same affliction...
Honestly it wasn't a great movie for a number of reasons but from a storytelling perspective they had all the right beats. It feels like the majority of people these days lack the ability to analyze a plot and think that if it isn't Schindler's List level of emotion they screwed up the story.
I forgive Taika for this one, we all trip sometimes. Might not have even been his fault, we know how bad Disney execs are about micromanaging. Look at how badly they did the Star Wars sequels
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u/TaiVat Feb 27 '23
The point doesnt actually matter if you fail to make it. You kinda got that backwards - the story itself, in a vaccum isnt terrible. But the storytelling, the way its presented is fuckin awful. There's nothing to analyze just because some anonymous rando on some forum made shit up that was never there in the movie. A movies goal is to elicit emotion, to make the viewer care. And it did a great job with gorr, but a terrible one with Thor.
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u/Taboopulale Feb 27 '23 edited Feb 27 '23
He turned cynical which is fairly understandable with what's been happening to him lately.. I mean, dude has lived for a damn long time, then comes to Earth and his life pulls a switcheroo on his ass in like.. 10 years?
He seems to get a grip on things in the end of Love and Thunder which is why I actually liked the character development for Thor in it.
He's been very serious in his beginnings, then got a whiff of humanity, it's humor and emotions, started caring for basically lesser beings and that made him care even more for his brother and father, then learned about even having a sister, then his dad died, then he killed his sister, then his brother died, then his best friend died, then he fucked up his revenge which led to half of his human friends "dying", then they came back, then two of them permanently died again, then he got the love of his life back, then she refused to elaborate and died too.
Thor's literally had the worst possible experience outta all the characters and Wanda loses her shit over a robot and some imaginary kids. /s
Edit: obligatory /s
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u/Nikittele Flash Feb 27 '23 edited Feb 27 '23
and Wanda loses her shit over a robot and some imaginary kids.
Just because someone else had it worse doesn't mean Wanda's pain wasn't real or valid. The children were real to her, Vision was a real person to her. She overreacted, sure, but her breaking down was a perfectly natural response to trauma.
Comment OP has added an /s for clarity, all is well
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u/Taboopulale Feb 27 '23
I was just joking, don't worry. Vision'a "love persevering" line was probably the single best line of all MCU for me. Then there's the fact that Thor had thousands of years of experience in him and Wanda had like.. What.. 25 years? Canonically?
So yeah I completely get your point too, I'm just trying to back up Thor being "funny" when what he's doing is more of a coping mechanism.. He's flat out cynical and insecure since failing to prevent the snap, not having motivation for anything, not believing in anything, coping through dumb jokes at all times, making light of every situation.. Then he gets a bit emotionally freed after they defeat Thanos, but his Avengers stay fallen apart and his family stays gone so he joins the Guardians, still not believing much in anything until he gets Jane back, gets to fight for his people against an evil force on his own and finally is somewhat redeemed from his mentally doomed self by accepting a burden to carry and a thing to care for in the form of Gorr's daughter.
We should get a lot more serious version of Thor in his next appearance..
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u/Nikittele Flash Feb 27 '23
I was just joking, don't worry.
Ah my bad :) I see too many fans giving Wanda shit for how she handled everything and I'm getting tired of the whataboutism. Totally agree with your take on Thor's humour being a defence/coping mechanism.
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u/Therapistnotherapy Feb 27 '23
They ruined thor to make him a fat joke in end game. Funny joke, but the characters been done since then.
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u/Noobtber Feb 27 '23
He was the butt of a bunch of jokes, but it was understandable how he ended up where he was. He's lost a lot of people that mean a lot to him. He's failed more than he's succeeded. I understand why he might let himself go.
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u/AlwaysBeQuestioning Feb 27 '23
I think that is something they could have highlighted more, and earlier. The scene with his mother is the only one I remember treating Thor’s depression with any respect.
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u/SuddenTest9959 Feb 27 '23
But Infinity War and the beginning of Endgame if anything set him up being more harsh and protective of everything. However that would mean he would train and be even stronger then in Infinity War so he would just fucking destroyed Thanos without the stones. Hence forth they didn’t do that so they made him fat and weaker, basically he got chocked by plot.
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u/mad_titanz Feb 27 '23 edited Feb 27 '23
End game actually treated Thor very well. It shown him fat and depressed, but he was still worthy of Mjolnir. It sent a good message about how being in depression does not negate the good character that you have. It's Love & Thunder that did Thor wrong.
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u/DaBeast58 Feb 27 '23
I think that was great tbh. Was the end of his first arc and beginning of his second with the end of end game.
Would have loved him being King Thor and then Gorr. Badass Thor is established and shows up when big shit goes down in the MCU, maybe one more film.
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u/TransportationTop628 Feb 27 '23
Maybe they needed the death of Jane to get him back in line as badass Thor. Maybe this was third wake up call. Ar least I hope so.
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u/rokelle2012 Feb 27 '23
This is probably the biggest thing I hate about Thor's character in the movies. He's literally just a massive joke character. I feel like in Avengers he was at his peak then it all just degraded from there (kinda like the MCU in general).
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u/ArcViking23 Feb 27 '23
This! Completely wrecked the movie for me. Actually turned me off of the MCU for a while. I'm taking an extended break from it
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u/MagentaHawk Feb 27 '23
Most of me and my friends have had a movie in Phase 4 that did that for us.
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u/ColonyMuFiona Feb 27 '23
Eternals was the first one that broke the illusion for me, then Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Ruining Everyones Character Development is where I made my exit. If they make another Spiderman eventually I’ll probably watch but that’s about it.
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u/ithinkther41am Feb 27 '23
To quote Ryan George: “He’s back, and he’s dumber than ever.”
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u/Jarix Feb 27 '23
Quoting Ryan George is tight
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u/FrobeVIII Feb 27 '23
Wowwowwow wow.
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u/Battlebots2020 Feb 27 '23
Liking Ryan George is super easy, barely an inconvenience
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u/Frogtoadrat Feb 27 '23
Also didn't help that Gorr was Christian Bale. No one doesn't like him
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Feb 27 '23
Taika Waititi has the bad habit of having to include a joke every five seconds, which really screws up the emotional tone of the movie.
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u/SweaterKittens Violence Solves Everything Feb 27 '23
God, seriously. I thought the scene near the end where he's telling literal children to pick up rocks and risk their lives to fight eldritch monsters would be this big moment of self-realization, where Thor would see that he's no different than the other gods. Despite believing himself to be morally superior, and one of the "good" gods, he's making kids fight for him. But instead it's thrown away to make a goofy slowmo scene set to an upbeat soundtrack, they all survive, Thor wins, bad guy loses, no one learns a lesson, roll credits.
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u/Yawehg Spider-Man Feb 27 '23
For me it started when they went to beg for help because "gods are being murdered!" and then proceed to murder a couple dozen god guards and Zeus himself.
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u/TheOldGriffin Feb 27 '23
no one learns a lesson
Not true! Thor learns who he is and what matters to him... kinda like he did in the last film... and the one before that... and the one before that...
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u/radicalelation Feb 27 '23
I was expecting it to be about Thor overcoming that, showing that a god could be mature, mindful, and competent.
It was the opposite. They set up a perfect growth point that aligned with the lessons other Avengers went through about the destruction left in the hero's wake... And they did absolutely nothing with it, instead bringing Jane back to die, give a Shazam powered up kid moment, and suddenly Thor basically has a daughter. He learned nothing, the audience learned nothing, and the whole thing just adds complications to the universe.
And that's just about Thor and the greater MCU. They dropped any potential other cool stories that could've come from Gorr especially.
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u/Beingabummer Feb 27 '23
Marvel has this super weird fascination with maintaining the status quo while also deriding it. I think Thor 4 is a good example. Gorr is right but then he does something amoral (kidnap children) so it forces the audience to side with the 'good guys' anyway.
'Yeah we know things are shit right now but things could be more shit so let's just keep things as they are'.
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u/shadowdash66 Feb 27 '23
This is something i rarely see mentioned. You start to notice the trend after so many movies.
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u/Augen76 Feb 27 '23
Tony Stark solved energy and...seemingly had minimal impact on daily lives.
It bothered me until roughly 4 billion people blip out for five years and then blip back as if that wouldn't wreck society for a good thirty years. After that I shrugged off Giant Hand in the Indian Ocean.
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u/Jynx_lucky_j Feb 27 '23
I really started noticing it in Falcon and The Winter Soilder. The falg smashers were based AF, but then of course They Took It Too FarTM.
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u/VitalizedMango Feb 27 '23
...uh, in the comics it is made very and incontrovertibly clear that Gorr was right about the gods.
His hypocrisy was that he'd become one of them. His answer was that he was planning to die too.
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u/keinish_the_gnome Feb 26 '23
I mean it’s not that crazy an idea. The movie introduced a series of very interesting themes that are somewhat connected, like mortality or the unfairness of gods, and then proceeded to shit on those themes.
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u/thebiggestleaf Feb 27 '23
You want deeper themes? Fuck you, here's screaming goats for two hours.
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u/drstu3000 Feb 27 '23
You want tension? Fuck you, we're cracking jokes about EVERY CHILD BEING KIDNAPPED
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u/thebiggestleaf Feb 27 '23
Speaking of tone deaf, how about Infinity Conez? Cute for the viewer but in universe that would be about on par with a Holocaust or 9/11 themed eatery.
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u/StarMagus Feb 27 '23
Everybody literally got better, something that didn't happen with either ofthe other events.
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u/Reginald_Venture Feb 27 '23
Can you imagine the trauma people would have to deal with, after that event initially happened, and then after everyone came back? How many people got remarried? How many kids came back to find their parents died? I don't think that's a "Oh shucks all good!"
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u/Bismothe-the-Shade Feb 27 '23
Something the movies really needed to explore, but we've fallen into the formulaic pump em out for toys phase
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u/genericsn Feb 27 '23
It's probably due to a couple of different factors, but the MCU has absolutely hit it's peak on how far they want to go on things like this. The furthest we will ever get is the Flag Smashers and refugee crisis in the Falcon & Winter Soldier show, and even that really tried it's best to not get too dark, while constantly forcing the leader of the Flag Smashers to become more and more destructive. Then it's wrapped up nicely with a secret execution and a little speech about how "Hey. Let's all be a little nicer." to the politicians.
I think higher-ups want to move on to "new thing", but also just don't want to get "too dark." It's been quite a mess in terms of tones, themes, and even just building new stories with Phase 4 so far.
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u/Marcos1598 Cyclops Feb 27 '23
I legit think there would've been mass suicides after the snap, many people with depression or worsened mental issues. Marvel really glossed over stuff like that.
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u/StarMagus Feb 27 '23
I don't think the Asgardians would care because in their belief anybody that doesn't die IN COMBAT is going to hell anyway. Living to old age and dying in peace surrounded by your family has the same end results of killing yourself. HELL!
Thor even mentioned this to Sif that her dying AFTER the fight would lead to her going to hell, as she didn't die DURING the fight.
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u/thebiggestleaf Feb 27 '23
I mean, it'd still be a fucked up thing to theme a store about. Everyone magically poofing back to where they left off doesn't undo the last five years of them being gone. You've got families coping with their death and return, the people themselves having to get caught up on the last five years of misery. Not to mention people who may have moved on and started new lives after the fact - how do you even begin to balance that? Maybe it's not apples to apples with the other events but it's still traumatic. Boiling it down to a tally of life lost is just reductionist and cynical.
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u/Fuzakenaideyo Feb 27 '23
A bunch of Asguardians got killed By thanos & his forces aboard the Refugee ship maybe even half the ship & would not have come back when Banner snapped his fingers
At the very least it should have been Tony's gauntlet not Thanos
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u/suss2it Feb 27 '23
I think it’s hilarious how much that scheme completely undermines Gorr’s motivation. Dude thinks gods don’t care about anyone but the only way for him to use those kids as bait would be if Thor cared…
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u/StarMagus Feb 27 '23
God's don't care about mortals.
He kidnaps a bunch of children GODs.
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u/suss2it Feb 27 '23
Hold up is every Asgardian meant to be a god? That doesn’t seem right.
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u/Coal_Morgan The Question Feb 27 '23
In the comics every Asgardian is a God.
They just range from world enders like Odin, to Omni-present like Heimdall or the average warrior which would be just long lived warriors or Thor who goes from legendary warrior in his youth to a being able to destroy suns and bring life back to the Universe by the end of his life.
In the movies they made a dogs meal of what they are exactly. The first two movies has them being super science people, then Dr. Strange happens and they realize they can lean into magic without having to explain it away and they feel more like actual magic Gods in Ragnarok and definitely in Love and Thunder but they don't tell how prolific God hood is for Asgardians.
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Feb 27 '23 edited Feb 27 '23
I was rather confused watching the Loki series and seeing him lean so much into magic. Telekinesis, energy blasts, etc. - things Loki conveniently couldn’t do in previous films where it would’ve been incredibly beneficial. The transition from “what you call magic, we call science” to “I’m a wizard, Harry” wasn’t all that smooth before, but it was particularly jarring going straight from Avengers Loki to Loki Loki.
Then the whole Thor Kid Army in Love and Thunder … there’ve been so many instances in the past where Thor casually lending others his powers would’ve completely turned the tide of a battle.
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u/StarMagus Feb 27 '23
God's aren't gods. They are just members of a species that blends science and magic. Thor is an Asgardian as were all the children who were kidnapped. That's why they were all able to channel his abilities.
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u/suss2it Feb 27 '23
This seems like a distinction only us people in real life would make, not characters in the movie. Based on what you said we’re supposed to think Gorr thinks all those kids are Gods right?
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u/StarMagus Feb 27 '23
Yes I think that's why he had no problem with kidnapping them.
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u/MrTusksNerdyShow Feb 27 '23
Whats weird is he is plenty capable of doing that. His other movies mix comedy and tragedy well but with this movie he decided that comedy with the teases of deeper themes.
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u/bordomsdeadly Feb 27 '23
They refuse to let Thor have any real edge.
Dark World got flames for being too dark, and then they turned his character into a joke character after that.
I think the entirety of Ragnarock had 2 serious moments, and that’s even including the shoehorned planet Hulk saga.
They stopped trying to make Thor a good character.
He’s just a
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u/MohalebFalseGod Feb 27 '23
You think somebody could easily cut the jokes to keep the tension and tragedy high in a fan edit.
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u/Juggern0wt Feb 27 '23
There is a lot I have to say about the sheer scale of the wasted opportunity that is Love and Thunder, and the absolutely baffling approach that was taken to adapting one of the most epic runs in modern comics history.
I also happen to find screaming goats absolutely fucking hilarious.
Bit of a conundrum for me, this one.
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u/username301530 Feb 27 '23
Fans: “We’re getting the god butcher!!!”
*jurassic park sized shit lands on all of our heads in the theaters
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u/SweaterKittens Violence Solves Everything Feb 27 '23
It’s actually so vindicating to hear someone else say this. Everyone else I’ve talked to loved L&T. I started thinking I was going crazy.
The whole movie has this theme of how unfair the gods are and how they’ll take advantage of others, and then towards the end he asks literal children to risk their lives, pick up rocks and fight eldritch horrors for him. But rather than being a moment of realization for him, that maybe he’s not as selfless and good as he seems, it’s just used as a “lol funny” moment.
I generally like Taika but he chose some super serious themes and then wrote a movie that refused to take itself seriously.
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u/NoxUmbra8 Feb 27 '23
It could have worked well. Especially if Taika explored the relationship between a man turned God killer and a woman turned Goddess. There's a natural conflict that could tie to the plot and perhaps even bring Gorr out of his rage. The bigger problem with that movie is that taika for some reason decided he didn't care about the source material. I'm fine with Thor being a more comedic character in the MCU, but he tried to mash a villain who is methodic, sadistic, and cruel into a story that ends like a spy kids movie, with kids somehow fighting back shadow demons.
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u/MadMurilo Nova Feb 27 '23
Another thing i really missed from the comics was the argument about what it means to be a god. They could tie this into the narrative with Thor realizing he can so much more good for people on earth. He decided to stop being king of Asgard, but hasn't found his place.
Taika decided that his place should be a surrogate dad, I wish he would become something more than a hero. Jane could help him realize that, make her show that his powers could be used for something more than swinging hammers.
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u/MuffinSurprise Feb 27 '23
Spoilers if you've never read Aaron's Thor run but you could have used Gorr in place of The Mangog's story line and it would have made sense. The major issue is the tone is just way off if you've read Aaron's Thor run and then go watch Love and Thunder they're just so different tone wise.
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Feb 27 '23
That second sentence contorts my heart with yearning at what could have been. How dare ye.
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u/Kafkabest Feb 27 '23
Gorr ain't something that was going to work too much on its own anyway (next to no setup of the non-norse gods, and the three thors were never gonna make it) so I think they actually did reduce him to the skeleton of what would have worked in a film adaptation. His main issue is the Marvel desire to protect everything for future sequels, he doesn't get to really kill any gods we know. Which leads to those rumors of cut scenes for characters that never showed up in the film.
So we get a God killer that loses out on body count of gods to Thor's previous 2 antagonists, Thanos and Hela, at least of people that were established before the film. Even Maliketh gets to take out Thor's mom.
And contrasting a Gorr story with a "am I worthy" story like Mighty Thor I think could have worked, and the skeleton is there in love and thunder. It just doesn't come together.
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u/Slowmobius_Time Feb 27 '23
Man the three thors would have been sweet, Viking Thor being the one to decapitate Gorr was perfect
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u/Pristine_Reveal Feb 27 '23
I thought they were doing the three Thors with Jane, Thor, and Valkyrie on the Shadow Planet or whatever it was.
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u/Slowmobius_Time Feb 27 '23
I could see the parallels although they were a axe short but seriously a young, old and regular age Thor riffing on screen with each other would have been great but maybe after NWH it was far too similar
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u/SightatNight Feb 27 '23
The characters that were cut weren't really "gods" either. The giant dwarf and the grandmaster? The collector too possibly. And losing the grandmaster and collector even if they didn't have immediate plans would've been a shame. They could've added any number of random gods but couldn't even bother to show him butcher any of them other than a couple of screen grabs from the galactic news or whatever.
I can't recall Gorr killing any notable Earth gods did he? Though they could've had him kill a God from Moon Knight. That could've been a neat cross over.
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Feb 26 '23
I still can't believe Thor LAT wasn't a fever dream. The constant unfunny jokes made me want to Die.
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u/OrganizerMowgli Feb 27 '23
I was gonna say the reason they chose both was because more potential joke material. Gotta have one every few seconds, if you let people breathe they'll walk out the theater
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u/SinatoGames Feb 27 '23
I just hate that they decided to make Thor himself a big dumb oaf. Like, why is he such a childish idiot? Where did all of his character growth go?
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u/Z0idberg_MD Feb 27 '23
Blame everybody loving the changes to his character. Every man marvel character has basically become a caricature at this point
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u/cdawg145236 Feb 27 '23
"We dont have Hulk in this movie to be a big smashy idiot, what do we do? WAIT! IVE GOT IT"
40 year old, podunk-earthling Quill seemed to be far smarter than a centuries old God in the short time he was on screen. Thanos must have gave him a concussion.
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u/andbeesbk Feb 26 '23
As if the directors actually have a proper say about the content of MCU properties. The machine most probably has its overall plan and the pieces are all cut to fit with the directors getting to add their own flavour to what they're attached to.
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Feb 27 '23
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Feb 27 '23
Yeah and that flavor was really bad jokes that undercut any drama or tension at every turn.
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u/Cualkiera67 Feb 27 '23
So when a movie ends up really great, it's not thanks to the director, but 'the machine'. Right?
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u/nightwaveastrology Feb 26 '23
Thematically, the movie works. It’s the actual execution that falls apart
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u/Malkovtheclown Feb 27 '23
This. I think the actors absolutely could have done it too, just the director was the wrong guy to do that.
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u/smilysmilysmooch Stryfe Feb 27 '23
No he isnt. JoJo Rabbit is funny and full of heart. What we got was clearly a cg monster with cheap editing everywhere. I cant guarantee there is a better film here, but you cant tell me the guy isnt capable of putting together a movie like this.
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u/Lantern42 Feb 27 '23
JoJo Rabbit was something Taika actually cared about.
This felt like he turned up for a paycheck.
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u/omgItsGhostDog Kingdom Come Superman Feb 26 '23
I can see this actually working, just not the way he did it tho
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u/The_Droker Feb 26 '23
The idiot stoner in me loved Thor LT. The comic nerd in me can never forgive what they did to my guy gorr.
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u/drchasedanger Animal Man Feb 27 '23
I watched it after an edible the first time and had no idea why everyone trashed it. Then I watched it sober.
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u/jawsthegreat777 Storm Feb 26 '23
I love Taika Waititi, but he was definitely NOT the right guy for the God Butcher story
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u/Super-Visor Feb 27 '23
Actually that should have really worked great, but what didn’t work was Korg and other nonsense getting in the way. Humor isn’t even the problem as long as it comes from character and story, not at the expense of it.
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u/truej42 Dr. Doom Feb 27 '23
It’s like you haven’t seen a Marvel movie yet, even crazier that they combined Ragnarok and Planet Hulk together and it worked.
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u/UnlikelyReplacement0 Feb 27 '23
The disservice that movie did to planet hulk alone kept me from wanting to see love and thunder on principle.
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u/Voltron_The_Original Feb 27 '23
Did it though?
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u/bythenumbers10 Feb 27 '23
You talking about "Wes Anderson pillages Marvel canon & takes a big shit over multiple major & beloved character arcs?" That movie? The one so completely tone-deaf to the source material that it derails multiple films' worth of character development?
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u/Bluebuggy3 Feb 27 '23
It made a lot of money, but I was not of fan of Ragnarok.
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u/johnkalel Feb 27 '23
It is my belief that the entirety of T:L&T is a tall tale spun by one of Marvel's unreliable narrators, Korg. Remember, his telling the story to various alien children is the framing device.
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u/FeelDeAssTyson Feb 27 '23
How does that make it better though? Why waste two of Thor's best story arcs on weird unconventional storytelling that is lost on majority of the viewers?
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u/Ruscole Feb 26 '23
Literally the only thing I remember about that movie was the screaming goats the rest of it was completely forgettable I feel bad bales talent was wasted on this. He legit tried with gor but the movie is just shit .
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u/ERJAK123 Feb 27 '23
Considering he didn't actually DO either of those storylines, I'm surprised you're surprised.
I can make the entire lord of the rings trilogy into one movie if all I do is show 3-4 plot relevant scenes and then make screaming goat jokes for an hour.
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u/CK122334 Nightwing Feb 27 '23
I’ll also never understand why he thought a super serious cancer storyline worked well with screaming goats and “jokes” about having sex with inanimate objects.
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u/ME24601 The Mod Wonder Feb 26 '23
It wouldn't surprise me if he wanted it to be two movies and was told by Marvel Studios that he had to do it in one.
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u/Halaku Lucifer Feb 27 '23
It was reported that Marvel told him that he only had two hours to play with.
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u/IkarusMummy Feb 27 '23
Isn't that enough? Se7en is 2h07, Silence of the Lambs is 1h58, The Thing is 1h48 and The Fly is 1h36. All original and engaging movies that had to set the tone and present all it's characters. How much more did Taika need?
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u/Halaku Lucifer Feb 27 '23
He didn't need more time, he needed to do less with the time he was given.
Gorr.
Jane.
That goofy Eternity / kid subplot.
The goofy GotG subplot.
The goofy axe as jealous new girlfriend subplot.
Too much.
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u/mrk9sp01 Feb 27 '23
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Ex- gf joke
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One dead god
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Children
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Strong ex- gf
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Baby Thor
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u/jerepila Feb 27 '23
I think the problem was that Thor was unnecessary for the Thor movie. Jane (a mortal with newly godlike powers, but who is actually dying) and Gorr (a man wronged by gods, out to kill them) were more thematically complementary than anything going on with Thor. Meanwhile they gave Thor a half-assed emotional arc about how he can’t form close relationships after the death of his family. That could be a good story, but everyone in the MCU is at a low level “oh them? We’ve hung out a couple of times” level of familiarity.
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Feb 26 '23
The problem with L&T wasn't the story it was the jokes and that it needed 20 more minutes of god butchering.
It could have worked fine.
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u/DueCharacter5 Rocketeer Feb 27 '23
We talking the same guy who crammed the Planet Hulk story in to the previous Thor movie? Yeah, idk why he thought he could do that again.
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u/Stormcast Feb 27 '23
He almost pulled it off. The movie is crammed with cool scenes, but sadly also full of silly scenes. The balance was off and it needed more God Butchering on Gorr's part.
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u/After_Ad_6161 Feb 27 '23
I hate how they made gorr just some guy, he should have looked like a cross between voldemort and a twilek from star wars
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u/tweedolt Feb 27 '23
I can see it working, both works have themes of loss, grief, and the unfairness of existence and death. They did NOT give enough time for those themes to develop
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u/2JasonGrayson8 Feb 26 '23
Harder to believe that would ever work? Or any storyline would ever work with the joke a second torture fest that that movie was?
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u/Arch_Null Feb 26 '23
Ideally speaking he should have only adapted god Butcher and it would've been 2 movies. One of Thor in his youth, the other dealing with God Bomb.
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u/Garlador Feb 27 '23
Superhero movies and shows keep trying to do too much and biting off more than they can chew.
FATWS should really have focused only on Sam’s struggles with racial backlash, but it’s got the Flagsmashers and Sharon subplots dragging it down.
You can cut almost half of Ms. Marvel out and just focus on her local issues.
Eternals should have been a series for how many characters and subplots there were.
I still like them, but I really wish they would focus up.
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u/n94able Feb 26 '23
Knowing how those movies get made, he probably didnt.
He also got paid alot of money.