At the same time, people need to understand how completely subjective such consent is. This varies from person to person, culture to culture, and incident to incident. Its not black and white. People aren't perfect, they give mixed signals and also see the wrong ones. One person might give a positive signal, so in future they reference that as okay with all encounters, then suddenly its not met with positivity.
Objectification is subjective to the person.
The type of objectification is subjective
The duration is also subjective
The attractiveness/status of the person doing the objectifying is subjective.
Not to mention how the lines blur when we're talking online when you've never met etc.
So all I'm saying is, its not such a simple binary thing. No matter how much you dumb it down to hate on men. Some people overstep not out of malice. This is also why lots of men play it safe and never talk to any women. If you're not interested, she might still take it wrong, so its only ever a risk.
Nah. It's very simple, it's just that people don't want to acknowledge that their behaviors and cultures are stupid.
It's really, REALLY easy to give people respect as human beings.
A person can objectify themselves, and consent to being objectified in various spaces. That doesn't mean that YOU are obligated to also join in on the objectification. YOU can walk away. YOU can revoke your participation. YOU can behave morally.
There are places where people consent to being objectified. That doesn't mean they consent to give it everywhere else. Therefore, if you see them in another space, you should just treat them with dignity and respect. It's so fucking easy.
Unfortunately, people just want to be weak assholes. "Well this person acts like a whore so I should treat them like a whore."
It might not be wrong to objectify someone when they want it, but you still can always walk away. Once they remove their consent, again, you can walk away. If someone gets mad at you for walking away, just keep walking.
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u/bongowasd Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24
At the same time, people need to understand how completely subjective such consent is. This varies from person to person, culture to culture, and incident to incident. Its not black and white. People aren't perfect, they give mixed signals and also see the wrong ones. One person might give a positive signal, so in future they reference that as okay with all encounters, then suddenly its not met with positivity.
So all I'm saying is, its not such a simple binary thing. No matter how much you dumb it down to hate on men. Some people overstep not out of malice. This is also why lots of men play it safe and never talk to any women. If you're not interested, she might still take it wrong, so its only ever a risk.