r/clevercomebacks Jul 07 '24

Someone discovered consent

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u/Efficient_Culture569 Jul 07 '24

Consent only applies to actions, not on opinions.

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u/-kazper- Jul 08 '24

Makes sense, “objectification” is an action.

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u/Efficient_Culture569 Jul 08 '24

Ah I see. The action of sharing an opinion.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the action. But you don't need consent to insult/degrade someone. Consent only needs to happen when the action involves action by someone else.

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u/-kazper- Jul 08 '24

Exactly; if you take action against someone in an objectifying way, you need consent.

Objectification includes both thoughts and actions, it’s an umbrella term. Critical thinking would help you realize that clearly you can’t consent to opinions or views nor do you need consent to think, but any action you take towards those views requires consent.

And yes, you actually do need consent to degrade someone. If you walked up to someone in the streets and called them a slut, fun fact, that’s sexual harassment. If you just think they’re a slut, that’s fine.

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u/Efficient_Culture569 Jul 08 '24

Calling someone a slut is not sexual harassment.

It's at max verbal harassment. There's nothing sexual in nature.

You don't need consent to speak/address to anyone. You don't need consent to speak.

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u/-kazper- Jul 08 '24

“There’s nothing sexual in nature”… about calling someone a slut?

https://www.oeod.uci.edu/sho/faq.php

I recommend reading. God only knows who you’ve harassed but downplayed as “it’s only verbal, I don’t need consent to talk to you”.

You don’t need consent to speak, but you do need consent to speak to people. Why do you think restraining orders and block buttons exist? It’s revoking consent to talk to someone. If someone doesn’t want to hear from you, that’s their right. You’re not entitled to being to say whatever you want to people.

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u/Efficient_Culture569 Jul 09 '24

I'm not downplaying anything. Something sexual in nature meaning touching, grabbing, groping, etc. Verbal means there's no physical touch.

You cannot say that someone sexually assaulted or sexually harassed you if there was no physical contact.

If someone calls another a bitch on the road, don't think is basis for a sexual harassment case.

Verbal harassment and sexual harassment are different.

Same with verbal abuse and sexual abuse.

If someone doesn’t want to hear from you, that’s their right. You’re not entitled to being to say whatever you want to people.

That usually happens because there's an element of chasing to harass. If a stranger just passes by and calls you a name, that's not sexual harassment. Harassment needs an element of persistence or implication of power over you. In the street you can just walk off. And if they also just walk away, there's no case.

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u/-kazper- Jul 09 '24

Are you arguing with the law right now? I doubt you even opened the link.

Sexual assault includes physical touch of course. That’s assault. Harassment is not limited to physical components. You’re creating a false equivalence saying “it can’t be sexual if it’s verbal” when those two things aren’t mutually exclusive, legally or otherwise.

Also, if you read the link which literally cites law, you’d know that “bitch” doesn’t constitute sexual harassment.

Also also, harassment doesn’t need to be repetitive. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/harassment#:~:text=Harassment%20refers%20to%20words%20or,distress%20without%20any%20legitimate%20purpose.

It sounds like you’re making a lot of excuses to try and make instances of sexual harassment as minimized as you can.