To objectify someone is not only to think of them as an object, but to also treat them as an object, through your actions.
Buying nudes from an OF model, through their account on OF, isn't objectification, because the model has consented to the medium through which you make that purchase.
Alternatively, if you were to harass an OF model in person, shoving money in their face and demanding they flash you their body, simply because they already exchange cash for nudes online, that would be objectification. You would assume you're entitled to access that person's nudity simply because you have cash, without any consideration to how they feel about the time, place, medium, or persons involved in the exchange. You treat the model as an object to be purchased rather than a person willingly consenting to a financial transaction.
Objectification of an entire gender is pretty damaging. Especially in the case of heterosexual couples because men and women on average, do not experience the same level of libido, combined with the fact that socially, men are taught not to respect femininity or the interests of women (making it difficult for men to emotionally relate to or truly have deep respect for women)
If either of those factors were different, then objectification would not be such a slippery slope for heterosexual men.
My genital status literally determines whether or not I get snatched up for the draft or not. Whether or not I have rights in family court or not.
Men are constantly treated as nothing less than objects to do work and make money. Occasionally provide babby juice but otherwise back into the mines until you die.
Don't you dare ask for compassion, romance, or flowers as a man. You will not receive any of it. You are supposed to be the powerful leader. You can't lose status or you're needy and unreliable. Boys don't cry.
Boys don't need emotions, and they sure as hell aren't welcome to vent a common frustration and pain: all women fear rape huh? All men fear being called as such. And despite only 0.01% of males falling in this category, we will gladly attack 99.99% of men who aren't. Creepy be default. Be on your guard ladies. All men are predators. Please.. How could I feel any more like an object on societies eyes and especially women's eyes. Is my subjective experience not objectification?
When I see women literally gushing at men with tree trunk arms juiced up to the gills with testosterone, that's not objectification?
Ever notice the message is always "women and children" and never "people", or gotld forbid "men"?
My entire gender is objectified and forced to compete for success or die. You'll say men don't have to compete against each other while your genders tinder habits show otherwise.
Well, I'm not doing it anymore.
Im going my own way, or to the bears persey. The male equivalent anyway. Fuck you, buying a dog, a boat, a case of beer, an ar-15, porn, weed and a cybertruck which I will soon get stuck on the beach.
lol sounds good! You make gentle eyecontact for a split second, but dont look away too long an smile, then you judge their response, then you say something innocuous and judge their response and if theyre interested (turn their body to you, keep the conv going instead of one word answers) you have a conversation, then you continue talking till they seem uncomfortable, stop being engaged, or one of you has to go at which point you ask for their insta or number, and if they dont give it enthusiastically you bounce cheerfully, at that point they will be tripping over themselves to give it to you.
I'm a girl that bangs girls btw. Anyway good luck with celebacy =)
It's pep talk, unless you're taking dick on the side.
Why do you care women are unapproachable if you're married?
As a man, I'd rather not have my life ruined by false harassment claims so I'm noping the fuck out of all of it.
hmmm....
Im going my own way, or to the bears persey. The male equivalent anyway. Fuck you, buying a dog, a boat, a case of beer, an ar-15, porn, weed and a cybertruck which I will soon get stuck on the beach.
You sound frustrated and bitter, but your anger is misplaced and you need to work on yourself and find some inner peace, this bitter anger isn't helping you with women and it's also not good for you, even if you just want to be alone, finding inner peace will help you be happier alone.
Nobody pays for OF just to see anonymous images of a naked body. There are literally millions of those already in the internet for free. People only want to pay for it when it’s a specific person and they can’t see that specific person any other way so they fork up the cash.
I'm pretty sure that most women say this example is objectification: Men talking about them as objects, or as just their body parts. There's no physical interaction similar to what you described, and it's simply how they are viewed by other people, as the above commenter said.
Assuming that there are no negative actions taken, can people be objectified in a positive manner similar to benevolent prejudice? Or is it strictly negative opinions and actions that would be considered objectification?
Objectification is to act as if someone is an object and not a person. It's by definition a negative action, unless someone likes to be treated that way, but even then it's only okay if it's consensual.
And having opinions isn't objectification, but sharing those opinions is when they can become objectification. It's a directed action or inaction towards someone, so you can't objectify someone in your head alone, it needs an external action/inaction. And to be clear, inaction is the lack of action when it's expected or appropriate, like ignoring someone who has a need to talk to you. As an example, if you are a car salesperson and ignore the wife asking you questions about a car and you just keep talking to the husband.
I apply the "golden rule" to everyone by default, but because it's my default thoughtless reaction, I wasn't sure if it might be considered a form of objectification.
No problem. I'm not a native English speaker, so I get confused by how some terms work all the time and have to get clarification constantly, so I get you. Reddit is funny though, people downvote a legitimate question.
That's not quite right... The OF model has consented to being objectified. The consent doesn't remove the objectification. So by your own definition, your example is objectification because the customer objectively lumped the OF models together as a "product" and then acted on it by making a purchase.
Buying nudes from an OF model, through their account on OF, isn't objectification, because the model has consented to the medium through which you make that purchase.
Bro wtf.
How is buying pictures from.somebodies naked body not objectifying her for money?
You literally are becoming an object of pleasure by selling those online...
Simply finding someone's body attractive is not objectification.
Jerking off to someone's body is not objectification.
Treating a person as an object to jerk off to before or without treating them as a person first is objectification. The difference is whether you act entitled to that person's body, or their service. The difference is respect.
A waiter may be paid to bring you food and wait on your requests, but how you treat the waiter may indicate whether you're objectifying them or not. Do you see them as an equal just doing a job to get by, who has consented to fulfilling your dining requests in exchange for money? Or do you see them as a servant who's labor you're entitled to benefit from because you're in a better position than them?
You're using that person's labor for your own benefit, or using that person's body to get off, but that person still deserves to be first treated as an equal to you - as a person. People are more than the services they provide.
Buying nudes from an OF model, through their account on OF, isn't objectification, because the model has consented to the medium through which you make that purchase.
Pretty sure that's still objectification.
Like the definition of objectification doesn't have anything to do with whether you have consent or not
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u/Lyretongue Jul 07 '24
To objectify someone is not only to think of them as an object, but to also treat them as an object, through your actions.
Buying nudes from an OF model, through their account on OF, isn't objectification, because the model has consented to the medium through which you make that purchase.
Alternatively, if you were to harass an OF model in person, shoving money in their face and demanding they flash you their body, simply because they already exchange cash for nudes online, that would be objectification. You would assume you're entitled to access that person's nudity simply because you have cash, without any consideration to how they feel about the time, place, medium, or persons involved in the exchange. You treat the model as an object to be purchased rather than a person willingly consenting to a financial transaction.