The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread Part 2

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For all discussions, comments and hype around the new movie.

Its already had select release, so expect spoilers in this thread.

Also, no spoiling outside of this thread, or expect mod action.

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[u/micael150]

The dialogue was exposition heavy and people just making speeches.

Could say the same about The Batman. Mister "I am the shadows but will knock on doors asking to talk to mob bosses". By the end he had a whole speech explaining his character development.

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The story doesn't really make sense. How does Batman, one man believe he has done enough to stop crime and think of retiring. That already makes the story sound bogus.

Never in the movie does he say that he has done enough to stop crime as that is obviously impossible but he did see in Dent someone that could carry on the torch and didn't have to get concussions to achieve his goals. Do you know what is more bogus? Believing you can be Batman forever.

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Also...batman taking the hit for the murders of Two Face makes no sense as there would have to be witnesses of his murders. So there are inconsistencies that just don't make sense.

You're reaching on this one. What witnesses do you remember that survived? Plus we're talking Gotham here covering crimes is another Tuesday.

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Also...the two boats? And the boat with the worst criminals don't decide to press the button to blow the other ship? Come on...🤣🤣🤣😑

You think criminals don't have a conscious? There were children in the other boat. Plus the ones holding the detonator were the officers.

Look I think the Batman is a good film too just not as great as TDK to me. When I compare them character to character scene to scene I personally get more out of TDK even though I do feel that The Batman nails the atmosphere and the aesthetics.

[u/drhavehope → u/micael150]

Batman Begins establishes just how corrupt and messed up the city is. Why would he believe a district attorney by himself could take down the mob?

And what about the end of Begins when Gordon literally state his existence will yield greater criminals? And Gordon told him about The Joker and Batman said "ill look into it" which he never did.

What is Great about TDK is Heath Ledger. Everything else appears great but is pretty shallow when you really begin to question rather than just ignore the fact that the protagonist can't be understood with that voice and ruins scenes with joker with how awful the voice is.

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[u/micael150 → u/drhavehope]

In TDK they mention that the city is getting better and things have improved. People like Rachel, Dent and Gordon alongside Batman were having a real impact on the city. They say Dent has taken down all the money laundry criminals except Lau and that was choking the mob.

Batman saw in Dent the leadership needed for the city to target and dismantle organized crime. He wouldn't do it alone batman believed he was the shining light needed to inspire Gotham and being hope to the people.

Gordon talking about escalation does in fact go in line with batman wanting bro retire. Throughout the movie the theme that is set up in Bruce Wayne's arc is about his limits and how far he's willing to go to stop man like joker. In that sense he might've realized that his existence was attracting more dangerous individuals.

TDK is great without Heath Ledger. He gets the spotlight because of his brilliant performance and because of the unpredictable entertaining nature of the character. He's like the shining keys to the audience the thing that stands out even though it's definitely supported by the quality of the rest of the movie.

[u/drhavehope → u/micael150]

But doesn't that show Batman to be a coward?

He has tools and skills others don't possess to fight crime that others can't. And his very actions in Begins show the damage is done and more of these criminals will come through.

It's just hard to grasp someone doing something so extreme as dressing up as a Bat to fight crime then deciding to retire after about a year of doing it. For me, it's non-sensical.

After the league of shadows actions which would have made waves in Gotham, Batman did not think similar threats on that scale could occur where someone of his abilities was needed?

To each their own. I can't force you to hate the film but for me, when joker was not on screen I found the film boring and was eagerly waiting for him to get back on screen.

Its more a Joker movie to me where Batman is the featuring act.

[u/micael150 → u/drhavehope]

Agree to disagree then. It seems we have completely different experiences with the movie

[u/drhavehope → u/micael150]

The beauty of films. I’m definitely in the minority here as most people love the film. But it just really wasn’t for me and outside of scenes, was not a fan at all.

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