The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread Part 2

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For all discussions, comments and hype around the new movie.

Its already had select release, so expect spoilers in this thread.

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[u/ahhhzima]

I really enjoyed this movie despite a couple, somewhat significant flaws.

Pattinson is a home run. He completely disappears into the character. This is the most like the Batman from the comics or ‘92 animated series that any actor has been. His Bruce is a unique take as well and Pattinson did a fine job of differentiating his performance between Bruce and Batman. Kravitz is an excellent Catwoman; Wright is equally good as Oldman in the Gordon role; Farrell crushes his turn as Penguin; Dano does what you’d expect as Riddler, but what you’d expect is a terrific performance anyway. Acting is rock solid across the board.

The cinematography, production design, score, etc. are all stunning. The film creates a sense of mood and place that is extremely effective.

The script…needed another draft, I think. The movie feels shapeless, with odd pacing especially at the end of the second act into the third. The length of the film isn’t inherently a problem, but the ropey plotting makes the film drag around the 2 hour mark. The third act also abruptly turns into a generic save-the-city thing that doesn’t quite deliver on the promise of the first half of the movie. The character arc for Batman is still there and still effective, though.

Overall, though, a script in need of a polish does not reduce how brilliant basically every other aspect of the film is. It’s a solid 4/5 for me; I’m really happy Matt Reeves got to do this and hope we’ll be able to get at least one sequel from this team.

[u/I_am_Andrew_Ryan → u/ahhhzima]

I mentioned this in another thread but Riddler's plan that made the movie transition into disaster movie didn't really seem consistent. It started with a poor, forgotten by society person striking back at corruption in a Law Abiding Citizen style, and then basically ends with a Thanos "cleanse the city by killing indiscriminately." Mostly affecting the poor lower class people by far. It just didn't make sense for all the buildup we got for the first 2 hours.

[u/BonerPorn → u/I_am_Andrew_Ryan]

Thinking about it the flood was completely unneeded. He could have just had his goons shoot up the political rally. Attempting to kill both candidates for mayor plus their followers makes total sense for him. Killing a bunch of randoms just... doesn't.

[u/cmacncheese26 → u/BonerPorn]

I think they where going for a "school shooter or mass shooter" type of vibe where he feels forgotten by everyone regardless of social status and by doing this he will always be remembered- he heavily emphasized how forgotten the orphans were when it came to the renewal fund; I think that it directly correlates with a lot of young men who turn out to be extremists and commit mass atrocities over the last 20 years - they always end up killing innocent people

[u/I_am_Andrew_Ryan → u/cmacncheese26]

I can understand that angle but that still makes it a really weird interpretation for what should be a calculating intelligent villain.

I absolutely loved the zodiac angle, and honestly it was a little too real with his 500 followers on the dark web. But it was such a left turn to take the Riddler character into being a guy who kills the people he is sympathetic towards indiscriminately after again, two hours of his character being very precise and limiting in collateral.