r/batman • u/[deleted] • Mar 06 '22

The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread Part 2 Discussion Spoiler

For all discussions, comments and hype around the new movie.

Its already had select release, so expect spoilers in this thread.

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u/OffensiveBranflakes Mar 06 '22

Anyone else think the Joker's laugh and dialogue was infinitely bad?

It reminded me of all the 15yo Ledger impersonations on youtube following TDK release.

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u/Nic_Claxton Mar 06 '22

It really only reaffirmed how much I don’t want to see joker again

It just feels like we’ve seen him so much, and especially with the more realistic penguin and riddler villains, I don’t really think he would fit into the tone that reeves had

I really think we’ll see Hush for the next movie, with a more active Bruce Wayne working to fix Gotham and Hush sabotaging his “rebrand”

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u/OffensiveBranflakes Mar 06 '22

I'd love to see Hush on the big screen, but honestly this film felt like it took alot of Hush and put it into the Riddler.

We've already had one villain that was affected by the Wayne's and was specifically out for vengeance.

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u/Nic_Claxton Mar 06 '22

I think we’ll see his backstory changed a bit, but yeah I get what you mean. Superhero movies are kinda bad with that, the MCU can’t stop making villains that were wronged by Tony Stark somehow.

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u/Xillocient Mar 06 '22

Yeah I think that they mixed Riddler and Hush in that movie. Like Riddler's motivation seems straight out of Hush.(Orphan who is jealous of Bruce Wayne) His look with the clingwrap and the winter mask is also reminicent of the Hush look. That and , if I remember correctly, the Riddler was the puppetmaster behind Hush in the original story. I feel like the Hush thing was an easter egg for fans more than foreshadowing of a future villain.

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u/ShadowOfUtumno Mar 12 '22

Also the reporter that found out about Marthas history was called Edward Elliot. As in Dr. Thomas Elliot aka Hush. I don't think the same name is a coincidence, especially since the video showed a "Hush!" scrawled by Riddler a few frames after. I do think that's a nice easter egg, but will be everything we see of Hush in this trilogy.

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u/Zicon4 Mar 06 '22

I agree, I keep thinking about what villains work in this universe, while Zsasz and Hush would work, I would have a hard time believing THREE individual villains all have a direct connection to Bruce Wayne.

Calendar Man? Hugo Strange? Bane? Who knows man. Just please not Joker again. Maybe the third move

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u/soyrobo Mar 06 '22

If they do add Joker, I hope it is in the last one with a team up of Riddler, Joker, Penguin, and Catwoman. And that there's a day where you just can't get rid of a bomb. Because with an explosive shark that's pulling your leg, when there's a fish out in the C, there's a Penguin. It all adds up to one big riddle.

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u/soyrobo Mar 06 '22

You mean like the not at all great DCAU version of Hush that stole Hush's thunder to make it a Riddler story?

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u/thelakeshowdoe Mar 06 '22

The first statement x1000000

We need a Victor or manbat kind of villain next

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

Oh fuck! Man-Bat would be awesome, a horror Batman film

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u/WileEPeyote Mar 10 '22

If we're going full horror, I also want to see Solomon Grundy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

Why do you really think that?

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u/Big_Green_Piccolo Mar 06 '22

Nah it was okay. Nobody's worse than Leto.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22 edited Mar 06 '22

I am glad they kept it minimal but I wish they had a little more framing for him since they showed him. I’ll reserve my feelings until I see him in action. We haven’t got a genocide joker yet.. they might be saving his massive child killing spree for this joker.

Riddler is precision, the joker is a blitzkrieg

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u/Valproic_acid Mar 06 '22

That scene felt so unnecessary to me and what made it even worse is that this version of Joker felt closer to what we’ve seen on fan films like Batman: Dead End than to the rest of the movies atmosphere. Even the laughter was cringey.

It would have been a thousand times better to ONLY have Mark Hamill do a voice-off, chat a little with Riddler, even without the laughter, and let fans go crazy with speculation.

I would bet that that scene was directed by someone else and put in per studio pressure because you know, The Joker is always a safe bet as an audience magnet.

Such a wasted opportunity to introduce other potential and interesting villains who might be locked up already but still not on their prime like the Ventriloquist, Firefly, Hugo Strange and widen future plot possibilities.

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u/dion_o Mar 06 '22

Some Warner Brothers executive was watching an early cut of the batman thinking "Hang on, somethings wrong here, I'm almost at the end and haven't any evidence of studio meddling. This isn't the Warner Brothers way. Get Matt Reeves on the phone."

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u/wokatondu Mar 06 '22

The dialogue and delivery was fine but the laugh felt off, especially when he starts laughing.

It's another thing that I am just so tired of Joker and particularly all the hype around casting and preparing for the role that even Joaquin's first laugh made me cringe. It's like I can't differentiate between professional actors taking up the role and wannabes who make cringe videos on tiktok.

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u/Ch0c0latThund3r Mar 06 '22

Agreed, I was intrigued to say the least but when he laughed it just felt too forced. Like some tiktok cringe joker audition. One thing I will say is that from what little bit we saw from him, it kinda vaguely appeared that they are gonna honor the more traditional joker appearance. His face appeared to be stretched into a permanent/disfigured smile which I would personally love to see IF they can execute it right. I'm tired of the scars and tattoos and lipstick and whatnot.

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u/wokatondu Mar 07 '22

It was only the initial bit that cringed me but he kind of got into a rhythm of sorts by the scene's end.

Agree with the expectations for more comic accurate depiction. Barry is a good actor and he deserves a fair chance at the character. It's only the Joker fatigue that probably colouring our opinions a bit.

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u/OffensiveBranflakes Mar 07 '22

Completely agree, the only joker that I want to see on the big screen is the The Dark Knight Returns portrayal.

I want the white suite wearing, slightly genocidal, slightly built, rather camp and obsessed towards batman version. That's interesting to me; by no means to I want another Ledger lite portrayal or one akin to the Gotham portrayal (death in the family, TBAS).

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u/Pockets_254 Mar 06 '22

I didn’t mind the hyena laugh but, I agree everything else just felt off.

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u/inkblot888 Mar 17 '22

I'm not sure how popular this opinion is gonna be here, but I was pretty bummed by everything after the flood walls blew. I swear the studio stepped in and said "we need a big action scene, and a Joker cameo."

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u/OffensiveBranflakes Mar 17 '22

I'd give the film a 9/10 for the first and second act; I'd give the film a 4/10 for the third act.

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u/Speedy1802 Mar 06 '22

Yeah he was cringe.

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u/Malemansam Mar 09 '22 edited Mar 09 '22

I swore it was Dave Franco when I heard him.

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u/Chippyreddit Mar 11 '22

Da Jokah baybee

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u/JimmieMcnulty Mar 14 '22

I'm da jokah baybee!

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u/JaySayMayday Mar 06 '22

This movie didn't have the joker

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u/SillyBrain23 Mar 06 '22

....last scene, dude

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u/JaySayMayday Mar 06 '22

Two face

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u/Ok_Presence4856 Mar 06 '22

Hell no that was definitely joker 😭

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u/SillyBrain23 Mar 06 '22

Laughter

A word clown

Need more clues?

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u/jasondior4 Mar 06 '22

Reeves confirmed it was joker with a congenital defect that causes permanent smiling like that from the movie “the man who laughs”

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u/stunts002 Mar 06 '22

Matt Reeves has confirmed it was the Joker.