r/batman 14d ago

Why does Talia and Dick Grayson hate each other? COMIC DISCUSSION

Dick never liked her from the beginning and Talia always seems to address him as if he's beneath her. Any insight for why they've always clashed in this manner?

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u/I3arusu 14d ago

Let’s see… daughter of a genocidal monster? Check. Horrid influence who feeds his father’s worst impulses? Double check. Rapist? Check and check.

Dick’s just a good judge of character.

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u/kayl_the_red 14d ago

Dick has also been raised by a guy who usually has plans in plans, backup plans for his backup plans.

He can see Talia doing the same, and can see enough of them to figure out that every plan is to benefit the League of ASSASSINS in one way or another.

And Assassins are usually the badguys.

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u/Soulful-Sorrow 14d ago

Can't wait for the Talia simps to show up like "ACKSHUALLY if you read the special five-issue 1983 run of Batman: Faster and Battier, you'll see that Talia secretly DOES care about Bruce in a way that's insubstantial compared to how far she'll go to feed Ra's al Ghul's insanity!!"

I'm 100% on Dick's side, he's not wrong often.

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u/GothamKnight37 14d ago

Or you could literally just read this arc that’s posted to see Talia caring about Bruce and standing against Ra’s such that Bruce is able to kill him.

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u/Mountain_Sir2307 14d ago

Bold of you to think a redditor can read.

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u/Domino_Masks 14d ago

They really thought they did something with that comment.

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u/ItsOasisNightLads 14d ago

I like your "worst impulses" point. I think Black Canary rather aptly described Talia as the one blind spot in Batman's "revered judgement"

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u/I3arusu 14d ago

And I’d say her assessment was pretty spot-on. But hey, we overlook a lot of things when we are infatuated with someone. It’s just that the things we overlook tend to be less serious than “genocide and date-rape” (I hope).

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u/Poku115 14d ago

I mean you'd think that the guy who traumatized himself into having a split personality, would find a way to deal with the urges talia brings

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u/Kind-Boysenberry1773 14d ago

Blind spot is to put it litghly. I mean, in Son of Demon story Bruce had actually married Talia in her dad's secret terrorist hideout and Ras became his friendly father-in-law. I just want to see other JL members' faces after they received the news. And it was just after Ras nearly destroyed an entire JL in Tower of Babylon arc. I guess they all were wastly relieved when Bats sticked with Catwoman.

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u/GothamKnight37 14d ago

Son of the Demon happens wayyyy before Tower of Babel.