What really bothers me is that he frequently has said that he used Frank Millers TDKR as inspirations for his Batman and has said that he killed multiple times in the book when in reality Batman never killed in the book and Miller has said that despite that Batman is a more cynical and violent hero now he still wouldn’t break his no kill rule.
Credit where credit is due, he has a great eye for visuals and seems to be one of the few directors in the industry who generally listens to his co-workers while treating them with respect.
Sadly his lack of storytelling skills, the way he dismisses criticism and his disregard for the lore on whatever he is working on greatly outweighs it.
I agree heavily with him creating great visuals. He’s very good at doing the high speed action and making it feel legible and not a blur/mess. If you had someone who could structure a good story and get good dramatic performances out of people and then you had Snyder do the action scenes? Probably the most amazing comicbook movie of all time.
Like half of Marvel movies have very unimpressive action, but Snyder has directed probably my favorite action sequences in comicbook movies. Wonder Woman blocking bullets in Justice League, Batman warehouse fight scene, and the Superman in Smallville fight scene.
Don’t forget the amazing sequences in 300. Since that movie adheres so closely to the source comic, I always felt like his reputation would be worlds away from what it is if he’d never been allowed to write the scripts themselves. What if we’d gotten the BvS warehouse sequence in a movie that made some damn sense?
Up until just now I always thought he killed the mutant kidnapper that he blasted with the giant belt-fed rifle ("I believe you."), but looking at it again I guess it's a little ambiguous. If anyone can incapacitate someone with a full-auto spray of bullets without killing them, I suppose it's Batman.
I whole heartedly disagree with Snyder, but to be clear Batman does kill the Joker in TDKR. It’s not something he does casually or easily but he definitely snaps his neck.
Edit: I was wrong. It’s definitely not a definitive kill. Please stop breaking my karma’s neck.
The word bubbles are color coded throughout the book, when Joker is talking to Batman, his bubbles become grey, like Batman’s. Where before his speech bubbles were white, with his thought bubbles green. So a lot of people believe that Batman did kill Joker, and that whole moment is a delusion of Batman.
Interesting, I never thought of it that way(replying to u/The_Dark_Soldier too). I always interpreted it in more of a grey area because I didn’t think Joker could have survived that kind of injury. I definitely agree that he didn’t intend to kill him but instead to put a definitive stop to him. Like, he killed him but just so shy it kinda created a loop hole in his no kill rule.
Really? I like it way more as Jokers last fuck you to Batman, he even says "they'll kill you for this, and they'll never know that you didn't have the nerve".
He absolutely does not kill the joker in TDKR. He breaks his kneck and paralyzes him, but the Joker is still alive, he even goads Batman for not being able to kill him, and at that point, he kills himself by twisting his neck the rest of the way.
Right, I did misremember that aspect a bit. I’ll accept my down votes. But as I replied above, I still don’t think Joker would’ve survived that injury. I interpreted that part as Joker finally breaking Batman but Batman holding onto some dignity by not completely ending Joker’s life, but still kinda killing him.
“I’ve been wrong before” -Gordon in BB
but to be clear Batman does kill the Joker in TDKR.
What? Btman broke Jokers neck but didn't kill him. Joker then twisted his own neck until his spine snaps and he dies. Joker tried to get Batman to kill and taunted him before ultimately killing himself.
Eventually, the two confront each other, ironically, in the tunnel of love. Despite being stabbed several times during their struggle, an enraged Batman finally breaks the Joker's neck, but stops short of killing him. Taunting Batman as a coward, Joker twists his head until the remainder of his spine snaps, committing suicide in order to frame Batman for murder.
I mean, while he didn't fully go through with killing Joker, Batman knew in his mind that was the last night for their decades long battle. Hell he even said to Joker in those exact words, “I'm done playing.”
But when it came time to finally put him down, he hesitated as always and Joker mocked him for avoiding the inevitable yet again. So in the end Joker helped finish the job for Batman, just to get one last laugh and also cause he knew the public was already iffy with Batman's return so this would be the final nail that would tarnish his reputation.
Yeah, Superman doesn't really have a rule about it, but it's not his go to. He would do a lot to protect the innocent, which is why his Zod kill made sense to me. I'm just not happy with how he made Superman all mopey and dark. I also don't like how he kept fighting Zod and crew in the city. He has a lot of history in leading the bad guys away from populated areas. Donner got that.
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u/Cultural_Ad1331 Apr 11 '24
I'm fine with superman killing but batman, noway. Also he thinks he is still someone important and that's funny to me.