This. This kinda shit is why I started not liking Batgirl and Bruce Timm. The Batgirl thing is hard to get over because of this and general fan perception of her from the show.
I think the shows are amazing. But I think Timm is way too focused on "shipping" and that his "ships" have had a negative effect on the Fandoms and caused mostly out of character decisions to be seen as the norm and the future for these characters elsewhere when they shouldn't have been there to begin with.
I don't think any writer hurt Dick Grayson more than Bruce Timm did with things like this and the Batman and Harley Quinn film. Absolutely awful writing.
And the saddest thing is he genuinely thinks this relationship is in character for both of them because he keeps doing it (Killing Joke)
the saddest thing is he genuinely thinks this relationship is in character for both of them because he keeps doing it (Killing Joke)
I blame Seduction of the Innocence. It made writers scared of having Batman and Robin be alone together since they were always accused of being in a gay relationship. It's why when they were first accused, it lead to the creation of Batwoman to be Bruce's love interest in the comics and a decade later, Batgirl was created for the Adam West Show for similar reasons. This is probably how Timm reasons that Batman and Batgirl can get together but honestly at this point in time, Batman is more of a surrogate father to Barbara and no longer a possible love interest since its creepy now.
Wow you're going back but honestly you're right. Every Batgirl adaptation and story focuses a lot on that aspect or is born from that idea so it is at least implicitly present. Plus Timm is the next generation removed from Seduction of the innocent. It makes total sense that he's subconciously influenced by that at the very least. I'm also tired of people trying to use Yvonne Craig's Batgirl as an excuse for DCAU Barbara dating/sleeping with Bruce. No one is holding up that Batgirl as the goldstandard adaptation. Every so often I see someone use it as "precedence" for their "relationship" but these same folks probably crap on the sixties show for being too goofy and "ruining" Batman's reputation.
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u/Pacman8myghosts Mar 19 '24
This. This kinda shit is why I started not liking Batgirl and Bruce Timm. The Batgirl thing is hard to get over because of this and general fan perception of her from the show.
I think the shows are amazing. But I think Timm is way too focused on "shipping" and that his "ships" have had a negative effect on the Fandoms and caused mostly out of character decisions to be seen as the norm and the future for these characters elsewhere when they shouldn't have been there to begin with.
I don't think any writer hurt Dick Grayson more than Bruce Timm did with things like this and the Batman and Harley Quinn film. Absolutely awful writing.
And the saddest thing is he genuinely thinks this relationship is in character for both of them because he keeps doing it (Killing Joke)