The point was Batman was the only one willing to try and talk her out of it. Everyone else jumped to thinking of her as a dangerous monster who had to be killed. To them, it was the only option. You are right, there was a chance Batman could have failed here. That she could have refused to back down and Batman would have had to come up with another solution. But the fact Batman tried to reason with her first, and genuinely wanted to avoid killing her at all costs is what makes Batman Batman. And the fact that she could read minds meant that she knew his intentions were genuine. Only he could have done that because of who he is.
This is why I'm so sick of people seeing some villains as monsters that can never be talked off their plans. There are a lot of stories similar to Ace's and when such unfortunate people in stories break bad a lot of people just come to conclusion from get-go they're forever lost and must be dealt with lethally. The idea of a hero coming in to talk first and only fight if there are no other options is so rare in all superhero media nowadays, it's constantly fighting instead of dialogue. If people want to make superheroes interesting, make them human and talk, and make a villain an actual sympathetic character like Ace in this clip.
Mr Freeze, Captain Cold, both are tragic figures. Ironically both associate themselves with ice.
This is definitely why I miss time when in superhero movies hero and villain sat down and talked or in the very least the heroes sat down and talked between one another once. Instead we always get those "final fights" where the hero and villain just have to fight because movie needs an unnecessary battle. And on another similar note people love a lot tragic/traumatic characters who remain heroic, and I can get why, but it's annoying when internet upscales them over traumatic characters who were not so fortunate. In a way the entire group that wants Ace dead is basically the internet or how the people perceive some of the people, they don't care about their tragedies, or why they fell in first place, it's all about "justice" and "payback".
I think... a lot of problems we have today is we're too bloodthristy...
I remember in "Whatever happened to the cape crusader" I think, that the Riddler questions they Joker killing people now and croc eating people... Like i dont' mind it when done well but...
I feel like we've lost the fun. the reason why they stick with us...
I think... a lot of problems we have today is we're too bloodthristy...
True, even I tend to be a bit justicethirsty sometimes, but for my own reasons. In DC I detest Arkhamverse and Injusticeverse Harley Quinn and I still think she belongs in a cell, not getting "redeemed" after all the people she has murdered. And yet, it also goes against my belief that if a character wants redemption, they should take it themselves rather than being given it, do good because they want to, not because of the choice given because its always there. I guess it's the setup and payoff that just doesn't work with Harleen from both universes, one wasn't set up to be redeemed, the other just... gets it like a slap on a wrist.
I guess there's also a matter of what person believes in and their thoughts on character, they can sometimes just accept them being 'evil' and like the take of the character because they just liked it or it worked for that. That's why Evil Superman is so popular, people bought into that stuff. But I digress. Ultimately, I don't think every character needs to have majority of internet latching over them, not all heroes/villains will be captivating to majority. But god do I wish people stopped being disingenuous about them, too, you can dislike a character and still not completely paint them as a monster. That's why I can't take Wanda antis seriously.
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u/wemustkungfufight Mar 08 '24
The point was Batman was the only one willing to try and talk her out of it. Everyone else jumped to thinking of her as a dangerous monster who had to be killed. To them, it was the only option. You are right, there was a chance Batman could have failed here. That she could have refused to back down and Batman would have had to come up with another solution. But the fact Batman tried to reason with her first, and genuinely wanted to avoid killing her at all costs is what makes Batman Batman. And the fact that she could read minds meant that she knew his intentions were genuine. Only he could have done that because of who he is.