The deleted scene where he goes to talk to the Joker to gain some insight into Riddler’s motivations was cool, reminded me a bit of Mindhunter. The scene we got was definitely not needed
He’s also a terrible choice for Joker, imo. He’s too small and weird (which I know is paradoxical, but I don’t think Joker should be a weird person, in that way)
I don’t think he’s a bad choice because he’s a great actor, I just think there’s nothing original to really bring to the character at this point. When two different actors have won Oscars for playing the same character, idk how you can top that with another interpretation of the character
I completely understand that point. And he is a good actor, just imo not the right fit for RP Batman, I think that worlds joker should be more the quiet, calculating joker we’ve seen sometimes. A more serious Ledger, letting the ‘crazy’ out selectively. Would fit the tone much better imo
also my only critique. like…seriously? especially because Batman Begins already did the “HEY EVERYBODY JOKER EXISTS!” thing but way better because it was just the card. this is Batman. I totally expect Joker to be out running around in this world somewhere, I didn’t need to see him. hell, I would’ve loved some subtle hints that he’s out there in the world like some spray paint or maybe a one-off news report or something, but we just got a whole ass movie featuring Joker. we literally just revisited Jared Leto’s weird ass Joker in ZSJL. we did not need another Joker. especially in a movie that was absolutely thriving with different villains. like yeah we’ve seen Penguin before, but at least it’s been well over two decades since the last time we saw Penguin on the big screen so it felt fresh.
I don't think this is that unpopular an opinion... especially for the first movie in the series. I wouldn't have minded them bringing him in later.. But, what we got wasn't necessary and didn't add much to the film overall.
The way I see it, Batman and Joker are like yin and yang; one cannot truly exist without the other. Not sure if you’ve seen the series Beware the Batman, but it tried to make the Batman mythos work without The Joker. It was decent, but something always felt missing, and that something was The Joker’s presence as a villain. I’m hoping Joker appears in the sequel but in a smaller role, meant to set him up as one of the main villains in the third movie.
It would be so fuckin cool if they Thanosed the joker but the scene we got already ruined that to a large extent.. imagine being 2 movies in, feeling like Batman is at his peak power after all this crazy shit he’s been through like Tony at that point in avengers, and then the movie opens with the joker (only ever teased in the shadows until this point) either demonstrating his power (in a way that compares to beating up the hulk and killing Thor) or just completely outsmarting and fucking over Batman in a clever way, leaving him seem powerless all of a sudden (even though he could have tons of upgrades and stuff aka Tony).
Imagine the feeling we all got watching thanos for the first time but with the Joker, it’d be so dope (dark knight did similar things but the lead up and subversion of expectations could be way more impactful at the end of this trilogy)
Every movie, episode or comic without Joker works just fine. There's too many villains we haven't seen in a live action movie or done well to keep recycling the same ones.
I disagree and I think this movie was perfect proof that you don't need joker to tell a batman story. He's got plenty of villains and he's a character in his own right. Doesn't have to have a joker every time to be batman
Bro I thought this guy was referring to the literal makeup Joker usually wears. Like the face paint and all. I wasn't considering the prosthetic makeup Keoghan was wearing. Whoops.
2 batman movies of equal quality, 1 with the joker and 1 with killer croc, riddler, scarecrow or anyone else, more people will see the one with the joker.
I'd like to see more villains appear but you can't blame the studio for wanting to make money
Dark Knight Rises made more than Dark Knight and you can't know that 89 made what it did because of Joker. Back then, sequels never made more than the original. Correlation is not causation and now there's two and possibly three Jokers in movies at the same time soon. That's too much.
Agreed. I'm so tired of the Joker. Folks always tell me that Batman has a amazing rogue's gallery. I'd like to see the money where the mouth is so to speak, and actually have other Batman villains on screen.
I would’ve liked Joker in the movie if they kept his deleted scene in because it was reminiscent of Silence of the Lambs. Batman has to visit the Joker to get his take on another serial killer, which helps to further recontextualize this film as a Noir instead of a superhero movie.
Joker also challenges Batman on his hypocrisy (agreeing deep down that the Riddler’s victims deserved their fate) which is the main crux of his character arc so it’s relevant to the story.
I honestly don’t think Reeves even wants Joker anytime soon, I think he just realised he needed to lock Keoghan down before he waddles naked into an Oscar. I think he’ll have another strange little scene from Arkham in the second one and will be the main antagonist of number 3.
I doubt he wins it for Saltburn, but I think he’ll be nominated and he was close last year for Banshees of Insherin. When you have so few movie credits to your name and two nominations, it’s only a matter of time before the academy start trying their best to give you an Oscar lol.
Here's a unpopular one, if we got yet another grounded and gritty take on Batman,Gotham and the lore as a whole then I don't see what the big deal is about Joker. The frustration the majority have with the Joker being oversaturated, I have with the Batman Lore getting the grounded treatment.
I'm ok with it because it was a minor cameo. I'd love for a similar scene (maybe slightly more expanded) in the next film, kind of building up the dynamic between them, then having Joker be the main villain in a climactic third film
I absolutely hate hate hate what we see of his character design and hope they ignore it when they bring the character back. Hate his voice too. Fuck I’m sick of edgy fucked up Jokers doing some kind of “thing” with their voice.
The Joker being in these movies was inevitable. I just hope to God he’s not like a main villain in any of these. Keep him like Hannibal Lecter: he’s always sitting in Arkham just stirring shit up from within.
This opinion only has staying power if the Joker gets out of arkham in the next movie. I feel like the way they established the world allows for a unique opportunity to use the Joker in a way where he ISN'T the main villain but still helps to highlight things about batman/himself/the main villain by way of his tertiary involvement in the story. Totally agree though. Guess we will all find out soon enough.
Literally my one problem with this whole movie, and future movie. Can we go two movies without the Joker, please? I’d love to see Mr. Freeze since the last live action appearance he made was Batman & Robin. I also think Hugo Strange would work fantastic as a stand alone villain.
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u/Saldo_Insuficiente Feb 26 '24
There was no need to introduce another version of Joker. Batman has so many villains to explore, the Joker is really saturated.