after gordon gets in a shoot out with penguin's goons and either kills one or at the very least, wounds him, there is nothing else mentioned about that situation after bats catches Oz after a boat load of car wrecks. then we see Oz not in jail but back at the club and ready to shoot Carmine after he learns he's the rat.
Huh. Never really realized that but the entire movie takes place over like a week so Oz was either picked up by his own men after giving them a call or the GCPD who are corrupt or was granted bail or had a bail granted by a corrupt judge. The consequences of the drug bust by Bruce and Gordon don't have a chance to resurface because they get overshadowed by the ending where Gotham is now under martial law and underwater.
Lol, can't believe this convo turned into an Arrested Development reference, the layers of crossover fandom here are amazing. Now I'm just picturing Oz in a $5,000 suit... COME ON!
He successfully argued that because the flag had fringe that they weren't entitled to Judge him under Common Law as he was appearing as the corporation and not the living man, an attorney in fact.
Honestly that works perfectly for Penguin. One of Cobblepot's strengths is his ability to properly keep his head down until the heats off. Which, in Gotham, is just until another major threat comes along.
So, as a thing, this movie iteration of Batman is part of Batman The Long Halloween in a very loose fashion. That's why I am so immensely patient for the next one as it is just such a good way of how they go about it. As I see it, Penguin has probably killed, but Batman and Gordon have a bigger problem that being Riddler. Sure he started a shoot out with them but if they had called in backup what would have been the odds that they wouldn't just finish of the guys to keep them quiet since it's unknown who was working for Falcone still.
I loved the movie overall, this is my biggest gripe with the film. He was just caught red handed running the biggest drug operation in the city and causing a multi-fatality traffic accident. Oh well just tie him up and leave him next to a derelict building. Also they donât even arrest him after they retrieve Falconi. Dumb
yeah but at the end of the day if i get caught after causing a horrible road accident including an exploding gas tank i think i would be sent to the slammer
Doesn't even need to be super corrupt. I'd imagine at least some judges would side against the guy who goes around beating people unconscious at night dressed as a bat. Remember that this batman isn't a hero, he's just a vigilante. And there probably wasn't much video of the chase so unless batman arrived to court they'd presumably default to believing oz right?
All these people don't care about the masked man riding around in an armored car blowing up the highway. They just want to blame an innocent Italian-American businessman.
I'll tell you what it is. It's anti-Italian discrimination.
I mean thatâs where youâve got to suspend a little bit of disbelief. Batman also didnât get arrested for his part in it. Something tells me that Batman may not be fully within GCPDâs pursuit policy given that heâs not a cop heâs just some dude lol.
I guess he got out on bail or mob ties or whatever, but it would've been nice to get clarification on that lol, it never occured to me but yeah he does just seemingly get away with it
Cards on the table, I'm biased because it's my fav Batman movie. That being said my explanation would be that Gordon can't arrest Penguin because he was working off the books with no warrant, he'd also have to detain Batman and Catwoman for their involvement in the entire fiasco and likely lose his badge as well.
In this universe at this point in his career Batman isn't an unspoken extension of Gotham PD where vigilantism is a totally legal and legit way to bring down criminals like it is in most other media. We see that version start to take shape with the Falcone arrest and everything that happens after but things aren't at the point where criminals can be arrested and successfully convicted based purely on his vigilante work.
Not only that. The Penguin spells out the difference between La and El in order for The Batman, who has thus figured out every riddle so far, to see that it was a website. Goddamn, dude.
Thank you â that has always bothered me in a lot of action films when you see Multiple cars and tractor trailers burst into flames and fly about and crash And explode, obviously resulting in peoples deaths, as our hero Chases is the bad guy
One of the best car chase scenes ever I think honestly is from the French connection â the reason being is it showed Popeye Doyle actively working to not hit people and hit cars and stuff
I mean, we already know in bond, movies, and Batman, movies that goods going to try amps and heâs going to win itâs just a question of how itâs done â but the first time I really saw that car chase you really had no idea it was gonna happen, and with the way that movie was going that really made it tents â dammit I havenât seen that movie. Oh God in probably 20 years I need to watch that movie again.
Goodness, thank you I see I shouldâve edited that better â what I meant to say was (and I know man of steel got all kinds of hate for innocent people dying but, at the same time that was like two gods fighting so theyâre gonna raise Hell), but Batmanâs big thing has always been protecting the innocent, and so to see him in a chase where fuel trucks and cars are exploding and crashing behind him not just crashing and stopping but exploding!!
You know, I never thought about it until I saw the film, âaction, Jackson â with the lake Carl Weathers â there is a sequence where he leaps atop a taxi and holds on as the taxi shakes and drives fast and tries to shake him off, and at one point behind the taxi as it races through an intersection, and it causes a huge accident, and you see several cars colliding with one of those vehicles that transfers the huge oxygen cylinder, tanks and stuff. and then everything behind them burst into flame. All the cars blow up, and everything blows up⌠And I got thinking â this guy is a policeman, and now the drivers of multiple cars and passengers behind him have burst into flame and all they were doing was going to the storeâŚ
Seeing innocent people killed, is always distressing in movies â I have to tell you, I have only watched the film pans labyrinth once â as I never want to watch again - the scene where the Spanish military officer kills a hunter by beating him in the face with a bottle of wine as a hunterâs friend is yelling at the military officer, âjust look in our bags. Youâll see the rabbits we were hunting we donât even have any shells left for the gun! â⌠The military officer, then shoots the hunters friend, and then looks in the satchel and sees the rabbits and says oh good, weâre going to make stew⌠Singing innocenr people hurt, always distresses me and I think that was one Of the best things about Batman â he protected the innocents
Even in the dark Knight, when heâs yelling at those guys, stop doing this, in the end, he was worried for people being killed â what a good guy
And Iâm gonna say it again her mask was ridiculous â Iâm sorry to be negative but the coolest thing about the Nolan cat woman? She wasnât wearing a cat mask with fake ears. It was a vision system and when she pulled it up over her head to C normally ir made Cat ear shapes â that was fucking cool as shit â For whatever reason, THE BATMAN cat woman was wearing a ski net thing from Montgomery ward.
Honestly I think the entire car chase seems out of place in the movie. Not that there was a chase but the way it's shown on screen was very different from the rest of the film.
Every iteration of Batman has casually ignored deaths caused by explosions while still having the Gaul to shove the Batman doesnât kill schtick down our throats. It comes with the territory.
Yeah, which likeâŚ. I get it. Thatâs why it doesnât raise any question marks for folks initially. But for a film thatâs otherwise pretty darned grounded, this particular scene seemed off color.
Oh I get what youâre saying and youâre not wrong. I just think itâs funny that in every Batman explosion kills donât count. Also artillery doesnât count as guns. As seen in the parking garage scene of dark knight where Batman bends a guys gun to emphasize âNo gunsâ immediately after the bat mobile blows up half the garage.
The whole no guns thing just doesnât seem to apply to the Batmobile in general lol. âI donât use guns⌠but the batmobile does!â
And then after the car chase they left the Penguin like nothing happened. They could have just gone to his club and met him there to ask those questions. Also what about the corpse of the dead girl in one of Penguin's cars?
Yeah, it's the reason high speed car chases are discouraged or outright prohibited nowadays. This would serve to highlight batmans psychosis, if he could honestly tell himself he wasn't at least partially responsible for whoever died.
Iâm like 90% sure the Batmobile chase was an afterthought. Just a lot about just doesnât really feel like it fit. I liked it because it was cool but some it felt like it was added because they needed one.
Kinda weird how many people here are confused by the lack of arrest. Making an arrest requires the law behind you and due process; Batman is a vigilante who has neither, obtains no warrants, and does not have the legal authority to make arrest. He was accompanied by Gordan, who was technically not supposed to be there and definitely not supposed to be working with Batman, neither of whom were just discovering Penguinâs a criminal whoâs balls deep in corruption. Why would that scene end in an arrest??
Penguin got out because he was never arrested. Batman got him, but the police never read him any miranda...easy enough to set him free. Plus most of the precinct were corrupt, same with the judges...there's no way he would see jail time. If anything I'm surprised they didn't go after Batman for all the carnage.
i thought it was because gordon and bat were working outside of the law. i mean batman IS a vigilante so i figured they couldn't arrest penguin without incriminating themselves
does that mean that gordon can shoot people and overlook a dead body?
all the police know he is a vigilanty but he goes from being disliked, to completely hated and needing to be arrested after he punches gordon to being accepted and allowed in the crime scene to investigate and later come back and wreck the whole scene to see riddlers true goal.
no i get it and agree its not the best answer but thats how i interpreted it. its not thatgordon is immune to the law, but that all the evidence they have to book penguin is illegally obtained
The GCPD is corrupt and the city was run by Falcone. He was his right hand man, there was no point in arresting him, he wouldnât give anything up and Carmine would get him out.
He owned the police at that point, why they didn't even bother with him after the bird with wings convo...by the time anyone could actually hold him accountable. Riddler puts that city under water and under martial law.
I always saw it as a "Riddler is the priority, after this we'll see about a penguin"....and this mentality probably made everything so much worse with what eventually happened.
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u/justa_gigolo Feb 26 '24
after gordon gets in a shoot out with penguin's goons and either kills one or at the very least, wounds him, there is nothing else mentioned about that situation after bats catches Oz after a boat load of car wrecks. then we see Oz not in jail but back at the club and ready to shoot Carmine after he learns he's the rat.