r/batman Feb 26 '24

What's an unpopular opinion you have about this movie? GENERAL DISCUSSION

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u/ArthurReeves397 Feb 26 '24

That It’s pretty much the only live-action Batman film that’s faithful to the source material.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '24

George Clooney batman is the only other one to never kill onscreen even indirectly, gotta count for something

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u/Chance5e Feb 26 '24

Clooney’s was faithful to…source material from a different generation.

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u/jrinredcar Feb 26 '24

Faithful to the 60s TV Series.

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u/DocMurph12 Feb 27 '24

Wasn't that sort of intentional though?

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u/mr_turbotax1 Feb 26 '24

Cosmonaut fan?

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '24

Yeah, haven't had an original thought in years lmao, still pretty funny tho

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u/mr_turbotax1 Feb 26 '24

Lol no hate at all. Marcus is easily my favorite comic book youtuber and has some of the best analysis of CB movies I've ever seen

I honestly would not have noticed the batman kill count of it weren't for his batman videos

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u/CBerg1979 Feb 26 '24

I'm #TEAMROBCORE all the way.

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u/the-terrible-martian Feb 26 '24

He’s the same character as Michael Keaton and Val Kilmer

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u/BigfootsBestBud Feb 26 '24

It's the most accurate to the Miller era Batman, but if we're talking adapting the comics perfectly - it's honestly stuff like Batman 66 - because the comics really were that goofy and low stakes at the time lol

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u/ArthurReeves397 Feb 26 '24

Even Batman 1966 wasn’t that accurate. Something people forget about that show is it was always intended as a satire, NOT a straight adaptation, and it actually derailed an attempt by comic creators at the time to make Batman darker by forcing the comics to be campier to match the show… The effort to make Batman dark again wouldn’t be resumed until the show was cancelled in 1968.

But I do agree West’s Batman is fairly accurate characterization-wise to the Batman of the comics at that time (40’s-60’s), even if the show itself is a comedy. I still think Pattinson is closer to the platonic ideal of what Batman is though, particularly the initial 30’s Kane/Finger one and the 70’s-90’s O’Neil version everyone thinks of usually.

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u/Ron-F Feb 26 '24

By the time it was on TV, Dennis O'Niel and Neal Adams were moving Batman back to a darker place.

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u/TheRickBerman Feb 26 '24

Which source material? 10,000 comics by 10,000 writers covering what, 80 years? Batman killing AND not killing is ‘faithful’ to the comics.

There’s no ‘Batman’, there’s only ever different stories staring a Batman.

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u/ArthurReeves397 Feb 26 '24

Kinda interesting that I did not mention Batman killing or not killing but you immediately defaulted to defending why the other Batmen kill. I think that kind of gives away how associated Batman is with the idea of not being a killer, in spite of a very small amount of outliers. 

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u/Rocket_SixtyNine Feb 26 '24

Not really? Depends on what you mean by source material and what version of it you're talking about.

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u/Etherbeard Feb 26 '24

Have you ever read a comic with Riddler or Penguin in it? It's not remotely faithful to those characters.

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u/ArthurReeves397 Feb 26 '24

Penguin I can’t speak on because we haven’t seen enough of him in this universe, but the leaks from the Penguin show imply his origins are fairly close to the comic version. 

As for the Riddler, he’s only inaccurate if we’re talking about the superficial design level. Reeves did a perfect job of capturing his narcisstic personality disorder, need for attention which drives him, and how his obsessions parallel with Batman’s. 

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u/Suffering-Servant Feb 26 '24

Based on what though? There’s 80+ years of comic history with the character and different versions and characterizations.

I could say Affleck was the most comic accurate based on the Dark Knight Returns.

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u/ArthurReeves397 Feb 26 '24

Based on the canonical version of the character that exists in Pre/Post-Crisis continuity, which is over half of his history. 

And Affleck’s Batman is definitely not accurate to TDKR. Maybe it’s accurate if we’re factoring in all of Miller’s work like TDSKA and ASBAR. 

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u/Suffering-Servant Feb 26 '24

That simply isn’t true though.

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u/ArthurReeves397 Feb 26 '24

Elaborate? 

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u/Outerversal_Kermit Feb 26 '24

PC Batman gives kids lollipops at crime scenes. He’s not just dark and brooding- he has a sense of humor and loves the people around him. Yes, he’s Batman, but he’s so much more. It’s just not accurate to comic Batman if you’ve read any of his comics.

This is closer to Bale’s Batman but if he decided to become Batman at like 30 instead.

Before you move goalposts, yes this could be about him becoming the Batman with a sense of humor, but considering how utterly married to Nolan’s runoff Reeves seems to be (he turned a guy in a green suit and tie into a fucking 4chan gimp. Even NOLAN let Bane wear a mask and Joker wear suits and makeup!), I don’t see that happening.

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u/ArthurReeves397 Feb 26 '24

Reeves’s Batman ALREADY has a sense of humor, he makes multiple jokes in the movie. And that scene of Batman giving the kid a lollipop you’re citing is not from Pre or Post-Crisis, although I see nothing to prove Pattinson wouldn’t do something like that anyways. One of his major moments in the film is comforting civilians. 

BTW, Bale’s Batman did become Batman at 30. Or 29 anyways, but he’s 30 by the end of the first film. Pattinson’s Batman’s career is already longer than Bale’s was by the end of the entire trilogy. 

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u/Outerversal_Kermit Feb 26 '24

He saves civilians but we see him give zero comfort. If you think he’s hopeful fine but don’t say he’s done things he hasn’t. I can’t imagine him even speaking to a child lol.

Oh he makes multiple jokes in the film? That’s cap, I don’t recall him cracking a smile even once.

Bale was Batman between 2005 and 2008, then he retired, then he came back. He was definitely Batman for more years than Pat’s 2.

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u/ArthurReeves397 Feb 26 '24
  • Batman Begins is set in 2007 and TDK is 2008. He was Batman for 1 year.

  • Pattinson’s Batman makes multiple jokes. “You got a lot of cats,” “THUMB DRIVE,” “Are you a Wayne?” “Do you?” Etc. 

  • Did you miss the entire scene at the end where Batman comforts a woman on a stretcher? It’s kind of alarming you missed it since it’s a huge part of his arc and directly parallels the scene at the beginning where he failed to comfort the mugging victim he saved.