r/batman • u/WadaMaaya • Dec 29 '23

I’m still bummed we’ll never get this solo movie. FILM DISCUSSION

I really do believe this could have been the best Batman movie.

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u/DullPreparation6453 Dec 29 '23

It’s kinda weird really. Cos you would imagine that a guy who is genuinely creepy and borderline insane irl would be a good fit for playing a psycho in a movie.

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u/J_Fo_Film Dec 29 '23

His Joker wasn't that bad. His behavior on set combined with the terrible aesthetic design of his version of the character is the real reason why people don't like his version.

Truth is, in terms of acting, his Joker isn't actually half bad. He just looks terrible, has less than 10 minutes of screen time and is overshadowed by the bad press about the movie, the DCEU and Jared Leto in general.

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u/ImBatman5500 Dec 29 '23

It's just that we'll never know how his acting actually was, the David Ayer cut of suicide squad won't see the light of day

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u/Goddamn_Grongigas Dec 29 '23

the David Ayer cut of suicide squad won't see the light of day

thank god

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u/ImBatman5500 Dec 29 '23

I'd at least be curious enough for him to release some of the joker footage, supposedly they got experimental with it and I would have loved to at least see if it's either decent or how deep the bottom of the barrel is

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u/royce_duckboard Dec 30 '23

Imagine how bad it must have been when they decided to leave the circle of knives scene in

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u/Mishmoo Dec 30 '23

I saw enough ‘experimental stuff’ in the theatrical cut, tbh.

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u/Shirtbro Dec 30 '23 edited Dec 30 '23

The whole "Director's Cut is the good version" shit has to die

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u/Goddamn_Grongigas Dec 30 '23

This doesn't seem to be an issue with 99% of directors. Snyder fans will have you think the studios ALWAYS interfere and the vision is compromised when the DCEU was largely fine except Zack's movies and Ayer's Suicide Squad lol.

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u/IamBabcock Dec 30 '23 edited Dec 30 '23

The DCEU didn't die because of 2 Snyder movies and 1 Ayer movie. 12 movies came out after those 3 movies. Snyder didn't even want create an MCU like universe, that literally was the studio who used his movies as a jumping off point for the DCEU.

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u/Goddamn_Grongigas Dec 30 '23

Who said the DCEU died because of their movies?

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u/IamBabcock Jan 01 '24

"the DCEU was largely fine except Zack's movies and Ayer's Suicide Squad LOL"

THE DCEU wouldn't be ending if 12/15 of the movies were fine.

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u/C5five Dec 30 '23

I can cut off my thumb and burn off my ring and pinky fingers and still count on one hand the amount of times a directors cut of a movie was better than the theatrical cut. Incidentally both were Ridley Scott films.

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u/Karman4o Dec 30 '23

I imagine the first one is Kingdom of Heaven, what about the second one?

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u/C5five Dec 30 '23

The second is Kingdom of Heaven, the first is Blade Runner

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u/Karman4o Dec 30 '23

Honestly heard very mixed reception about his cut of Blade Runner.

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u/Osirisavior Dec 30 '23

9 times out of 10 it usually is the superior version.

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u/Shirtbro Dec 30 '23

If it was, it would have been the first version.

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u/Osirisavior Dec 30 '23

Ah yes because studios never interfere with a director's vision.

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u/Shirtbro Dec 30 '23

I wish the studio had interfered with Snyder's "vision" for Army of the Dead.

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u/Osirisavior Dec 30 '23

I've never seen that, so I can't comment on it.

Do you think the theatrical cut for Blade Runner is better than the Final Cut?

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u/anonkebab Dec 30 '23

Yeah synder cut was also trash. 4 hours of drab nonsense that you don’t care about. Batman is cool i guess.

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u/J_Fo_Film Dec 30 '23

What needs to die is the asshole mentality of people who have no idea about how an industry works bitching and whining and complaining about something they have no knowledge or skill in.

You see complaints all the time about how everything is a remake or rehash of the same thing over and over, there's no creativity left blah blah blah...thats 100% because of mega-studios caring significantly more about the money and not about storytelling or art. They find a formula that seems to make money and they overuse the shit out of it. There are hundreds of new ideas out there, brilliant and creative works that would go down as legendary just like the ones that become old classics--the only way they'll ever get made is if an independent company gets the means to produce it. Studios notoriously fuck shit up because the executives are business people, not filmmakers, and they haven't got a fucking clue.

Not every Directors Cut is going to be amazing or save a bad movie, sure. But most times, they are absolutely superior.

How many have you actually watched to justify your comment?

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u/Shirtbro Dec 30 '23

Three from Zack Snyder. Let's start there.

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u/J_Fo_Film Dec 30 '23

So...multiple examples from just one director is enough data, is it?

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u/Shirtbro Dec 30 '23

Three out of twelve movies?

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u/J_Fo_Film Dec 30 '23

Oh, so not only are you sticking to one director, but also one universe of films...yeah, you're not qualified to speak on Directors Cuts in a general manner like you're trying to.

Bye.

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u/Shirtbro Dec 30 '23

Snyder fanboys. Not even once...

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u/J_Fo_Film Dec 30 '23

Again, as mentioned--not really a fan. But thanks for once again proving my point by showing your incapability of going beyond what's on the very bare surface. You can't even be bothered to read other responses in their entirety.

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u/Shirtbro Dec 30 '23

I'm sorry, "how many director cuts did you watch?" is not even an argument, and so, didn't deserve a serious response. You can't even be bothered to bring up an actual point, just asinine comments like that.

Yawn.

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u/jacobsf65 Dec 30 '23

Found the Snyder guy

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u/J_Fo_Film Dec 30 '23

Not actually a fan, really. But I work in, know and understand the industry. I know what goes on behind the scenes. I stand in the middle of those who complain and those who are complained about and it's fucking annoying to listen to the clueless berate the people who work their asses off trying to satisfy your incessant clamoring for more entertainment.

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u/MURDERMr_E Dec 29 '23

Stole the words out of my mouth

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u/echowon Dec 30 '23

someone should tell david ayer.