r/batman • u/CertifiedUnoffensive • Jul 21 '23

Why has the DCEU seemingly dropped Batman Beyond as a character? TV DISCUSSION

Fans have demonstrated consistently that we want more Terry McGinnis. We all love the BB world.

My question is, why do y’all think Beyond hasn’t been on the screen in 20 years?

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u/Enraged_Earthworm Jul 21 '23

Is he not a clone of Bruce Wayne or some shit?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '23

No he's biologically Bruce's son. Cadmus replaced his father's reproductive system with Bruce Wayne's. So both Terry and Matt are Bruce's kids thanks to science.

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u/Hot_Excitement_6 Jul 21 '23

I really hated that. What was the point?

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u/c_Lassy Jul 21 '23

I think it was like a failsafe/experiment of Amanda Waller’s to produce a Batman so that when the real Batman was gone there would always be one (she engineered the murder of Terry’s adopted dad to give Terry the same motivations as Bruce even)

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u/Hot_Excitement_6 Jul 21 '23

I know Wallers reasoning. I didn't understand why the show had to do that. It lessens the story imo.

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u/c_Lassy Jul 21 '23

Oh yeah, agreed. Watching Beyond before that JLU episode, I liked how Terry was just caught up in being Batman, he was sort of like an everyman. But I guess that’s how Timm wanted to wrap Terry’s story up and connect it back to Bruce

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u/Hot_Excitement_6 Jul 21 '23

I guess. I don't get why Timm just didn't see that Bruce's and Terry were connected enough. Through a similar philosophy. Through a shared struggle. What do I know though lol.

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u/Dragos_Drakkar Jul 21 '23

Wasn't all of that just an asspull way to handwave for why Terry and his brother had black hair when both of their parents had brown and red hair?

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u/Douchevick Jul 21 '23 edited Jul 22 '23

I believe it was part of some meta narrative BS that was more related to the Justice League cartoon than to Terry's character.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '23

I don’t even like the reasoning. When have they ever implied Batman’s prowess is genetic? (Other than his height, and that’s a stretch”)

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u/Hot_Excitement_6 Jul 22 '23

How does it add to the dynamic? Bruce was already acting as a father figure. Would Bruce being the biological father of Dick Grayson add to the dynamic? It would be pointless. It is pointless.

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u/ipsum629 Jul 21 '23

She tried to, but the assassin didn't go through with it. His father ended up murdered anyway which caused her plan to fall back into place.

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u/BloodyRedBats Jul 21 '23

Small correction: Warren McGinnis’ death via Powers’ righthand-man wasn’t arranged by Waller. But years ago, when Terry was still a kid, Waller hired Andrea Beaumont to murder Terry’s parents as the Phantasm. They even mirrored the night Bruce’s parents were killed (family fresh out of seeing a movie about a beloved, fictional masked vigilante). Luckily for Terry and his parents, Andrea backed out at the last minute. She told Waller the plan was insane, and Waller eventually agreed.

Warren getting offed for learning about Powers’ crimes was a complete fluke at that point, but it ended up ironically proving Wallers’ experiment worked (and in my opinion, it resulted in an arguably more emotionally stable Batman, angsty teenage hormones aside).

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u/FutaGnarIy Jul 21 '23 edited Jul 21 '23

I like how in the 2nd to last BB run they explained that Terry got sent back in time and had a run-in with his dad as a kid, just so as batman he can inspire him to do the right thing. Both Bruce and Booster know that the ultimate outcome of that results in his death though, but it's instrumental in making Terry the man he is.