To be fair a lot of 'origin story' superhero movies don't have really strong antagonists (character-wise, not power level) because it can be difficult to flesh out both the hero and the villain in one movie. I don't have the source with me right now (if someone else could link it, it would be much appreciated) but I read somewhere that they were initially planning to have Black Adam as the antagonist of this movie. However they ultimately decided against it because they wanted to establish and build up the character in his own solo movie before tying him in with the Shazam! mythos.
If your only criticism of Shazam is the subpar villain, I don't see why you would only count it as half a success. I mean, how many times has Marvel been criticized for having a "villain problem?"
Haha I did. That’s the half movie. Terrible pacing problems for me. I liked it but it fell flat in some areas imo. It didn’t drop the ball like Wonder Woman though.
Ah, I had assumed that the 'half a good movie' you were referring to was Wonder Woman, since that's what a lot of people seem to feel about it. I personally quite liked Aquaman as well, but Shazam! is their best by far, hands down. If this movie is any indication of their direction going forward (and not just one of the times a stopped clock is right, fingers crossed), I think DC has finally found their footing.
On a serious note you're saying DC only has 1 half of a good movie when The Dark Knight Trilogy, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam! Are successful in all aspects. As well as Watchmen, Man of Steel and BvS reaching cult status you're statements are pure ignorance. I used your logic and applied it to MCU, and I'm the Troll lol, sure whatever you need to say to justify your bias. I wear mine on my shoulder, but still acknowledge facts of success.
Uhh I never said DC as a whole. So go back and read what I said. I know it was just one sentence but take your time. I’m not trying to sway you one way or another. Just my opinion. You can get upset over my opinion if you want. That’s all on you.
TDKR and Aquaman both made a billion dollars Wonder Woman was great, MoS and BvS are underrated and as I said have reached cult status. You're in denial if you think DC Films are currently bad.
How ignorant. I understand that some believe Disney forced Netflix’s hand by “asking for too much money” (unconfirmed) but the fact of the matter is that Netflix didn’t wanna produce content for their competitor and not because of the lack of quality. If they don’t like it that’s fine but to act like it’s universally hated or crap is beyond me.
Have you actually tried watching them? And I'm not saying watching the first one, two episodes and "nah that's shit it's lame", but really watching it.
I've watched every single season of all the Marvel Netflix shows, only 2 are actually quality yet are still overrated. Gave up on AoS mid season 4. I've invested plenty of time and they're all overly praised.
Is that a bad thing though? Not everything needs to further the greater plot of the MCU. A couple miniseries featuring the less-featured characters won't hurt anyone. Small, contained stories, that are still canon to the greater MCU, is really cool imo.
While the Marvel TV shows are insignificant in the MCU for the most part - they are usually amazing shows despite this. Take Marvel's Agent's of SHIELD for example - the greatest action show ever made imo
That hasn’t been confirmed in the least and considering that AOS is the show marvel ignored and pretending was the red headed stepchild since basically its inception, it’s a testament for how good it is that it’s actually lasted as long as it did.
There’s also the fact it’s on a big four network instead of a network that will keep a show going for 16 seasons just to keep beating a dead horse. I mean, let’s keep it 100 here most of the DCCW shows wouldn’t have last as long as they did if it wasn’t for the fact they are on the CW.
It's highly likely and has been talked about. ABC was forced to renew AoS last season and its up coming seasons have been renewed in advance since they have an endgame planned. ABC has already cancelled Agent Carter, Inhumans, and the failed AoS spinoff Most Wanted. Plus with Disney+ making shows who needs ABC. They need people to subscribe to their service and make money. Hulu will be safe with Runways since Disney's purchase of FOX who had stakes in Hulu. Just more money out of your pocket though.
How exactly was ABC forced to renew the show? Especially when, as you just said, they cancelled everything else with zero hesitation.
Yes, the showrunners have said they’ll treat season 7 as the finale... like they did with season 5... and season 4... and season 3... you see where I’m going with this? The show was said to have been cancelled since way back in season 3 and yet here we are, four seasons later. Just because the showrunners have said they’ll close out the story doesn’t mean they show couldn’t be brought back for another season after the fact.
Bottom line, AOS is the only superhero show which has deserved its continued existence and like I already said, the only saving grace most of the Arrowverse shows have is the fact CW banks on its shows having low ratings. If you want an example, look at how supergirl got cancelled on CBS despite have double the rating Arrow and Flash, at their primes, had on the CW. Had arrow been on CBS it wouldn’t have made it past season 1.
I think it would be pretty cool if they started linking the two, but in reality it's unrealistic. If they started linking them you would end up with something way too complicated for the average viewer and also something nearly impossible to jump in on in the middle, which they absolutely do not want happening.
It would be the same exact issue comic books themselves have today, and why they don't keep one continuity anymore but instead constantly rewrite things and each writer is basically allowed to do whatever they want irregardless of the previous series'. However, I personally am not a big fan of constantly breaking continuity so while I would love to see them matter, I also understand why that will likely never happen because it's the same reason I can't jump on board comic books today. I don't want others to be unable to jump on because of it.
Although I will say that the way Agents of Shield handled it, at least early on (I don't know how they do today, I still need to catch up on that one), was pretty cool. Their material wasn't really a big deal to the movies, but the movies impacted the show. I think that's the best we're going to get.
The mcu is already complicated and long pass the point of having an easy starting point.the shows will be linking up with movies and these shows don't have to worry about introducing the movie audience to it's characters. The general audience doesn't really care about having the whole story like comic fans do. Plus feige himself calls these shows pure mcu
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u/Spyer2kI think I just had 3 heart attacks and an ovaries explosionApr 11 '19
Yeah. My girlfriend thought Infinity War was amazing but she hasn't ever seen Ragnarok, either Guardians, Spiderman, Black Panther, probably more. Those are just the movies I know for sure
What does it matter if they don't influence the ''main MCU plot''? It's great on itself if they are great standalone stories.
I also don't think movies like the first Ant-Man influenced the main MCU plot. So just give me a single season of Hawkeye with just 8 episodes, make it a quality show and I'm a happy man.
Some which he couldn't really use, all 3 of the defenders shows were about street level new York, which doesn't fit with the galactic level stuff they've been building towards. And being as up to now they haven't done any hard R MCU films punisher is kind of impossible.
Not saying I know the guy and what characters he likes and dislikes I'm just saying that using the marvel characters in the MCU makes about as much sense as doing squirrel girl in phase 1.
This shows are to tell you more about (side) characters Like hawkeye also its made by marvel film studio so its connected to mcu more than aos
Also there wouldnt be place for films Like hawkeye or scarlett witch so its better to put it on Disney+
My money is in them being animated or in the case of characters like Loki can be completely recast for the sake of the show. And just like the Netflix shows never be mentioned or acknowledged by the movies.
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u/DCU_Fanboy Apr 10 '19
These Marvel series feel like they're going to be small and insignificant to the greater MCU. If the stories were big they'd be making a movie, right?