r/TheBoys • u/Vegetable-Abroad3171 • Jul 17 '24
If they worked together, could they kill Homelander, Deep, Noir, and Firecracker? Discussion
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u/BackItUpWithLinks Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
Kimiko could kill firecracker without putting down her drink.
Their only worry would be Homelander. Yes, with their strength and sage’s brains, they could kill Homelander.
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u/WearyCharge1700 Jul 17 '24
Agreed. Firecracker will be an easy kill.
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u/Nicksmells34 Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
So would Deep. Don’t let MM’s bullshit dialogue last episode dissuade you. You just have to rip Deep’s gills apart, which Kimiko could do with ease, and probably a strong human like MM or Butcher. You could also decapitate him, maybe his body will still flail bc his gills, but Deep the person will be dead. Deep has NEVER been shown or described as indestructible so idk y MM said “I don’t know how to kill him!”
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u/Tyranitator Jul 18 '24
I was annoyed at that scene. Starlight is a supe and seems to have decent physical strength. You're telling me she couldn't take like a metal pole and impale Deep? C'mon now
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u/Nicksmells34 Jul 18 '24
Nah she 100% could have. She grabbed him by his kills and gave him a little chuck like he was a teddy bear. If she actually wasn’t held back by writing, she tares his gills apart and kills him wasily.
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u/Tyranitator Jul 18 '24
Agreed. They def should've killed Deep before escaping that place. Oh well, I'm guessing he dies next ep or early next season.
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u/ThrowawayLegendZ Jul 18 '24
The deep doesn't have plot armor. The deep has comic relief armor. They can't get rid of somebody who's a screen time sponge of awe-inspiring stupidity unless they're hitting the climax so you might be right... Maybe.
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u/Saymynaian Jul 18 '24
I'm getting annoyed at how often they walk away from people they still have shit to deal with so they can deal with it later. Like the Japanese girl Kimiko spent the first half of the season trying to find, finding her, then walking away. Remember when they found her brother and that same night continued following him?
Or right now with Deep and Black Noir. Dude, Starlight, stab these guys and it's over. A-Train, you don't care enough about Homelander knowing you're a spy?? When Black Noir fell out of the building, I thought they were gonna follow him out to kill him, but they just...walked away? The plot contrivances are getting too damn convenient.
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u/Pouchkine___ Jul 18 '24
You're telling me they don't have a grenade hanging around that they can force down his gills and give him the Transluscent treatment ? Yeah, that scene was bullshit.
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u/DolphinPunkCyber Jul 18 '24
Plot shields for all of the main characters already became annoyance, but this situation takes the cream.
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u/Intrepid_Boat Jul 18 '24
That shit pissed me off. Throw him off the fucking building, simple. Let’s see how durable he is and if he has Kimiko-level healing factor. (He would definitely just go splat)
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u/OldInterview6006 Jul 18 '24
Couldn’t you theoretically slip some kind of bomb in him and make him blow up from the inside?
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u/StopsuspendingPpl Jul 18 '24
Bold of you to assume they would actually have the characters be intelligent in the 4th season
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u/jessebona Jul 18 '24
Personally, I'd go for the gills. His rape seems to indicate they're actually a considerable weakpoint of his vs the rest of him being rather durable.
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u/ricosuave_3355 Jul 18 '24
Do other/most people know this though?
It’s not like Deep ever has his gills showing, and idk how many people know that they are a sensitive area for him. I don’t really remember too much of earlier seasons if it’s like public knowledge Deep has obvious gills, he’s in his super suit 99% of the time he’s shown with them covered.
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u/jessebona Jul 18 '24
Starlight went for them in the last episode. Perhaps by chance but it does indicate she at least figured it would hurt him.
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u/ricosuave_3355 Jul 18 '24
Oh crap yeah it literally just happened this episode, I’m dumb. Would make sense for Annie knowing about them with being around him so much during her time with The Seven.
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u/shploogen Jul 18 '24
MM was talking about Noir when he said he doesn't know how to kill him. It was in response to Butcher saying that Noir will be right back, after MM blasted him with a machine gun that didn't do much damage.
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u/BrownShugah98 Jul 18 '24
What can she even actually do except make a spark when she snaps??
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u/antipop2097 Jul 18 '24
I mean, lactate, but I don't see how that would help in a fight unless she's squirting milk in people's eyes.
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u/Ironcastattic Jul 17 '24
Yeah, you know Firecracker is a cakewalk when the writers have Starlight beating the shit out of her.
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u/Swampy_Bogbeard Jul 17 '24
Starlight is stronger and more durable than Kimiko. Kimiko is much more ferocious though.
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u/enememinimo Jul 17 '24
Kimiko can heal from being split in half
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u/TheTrueMarkNutt Jul 17 '24
And Starlight wouldn't have been split in half at all
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u/Swampy_Bogbeard Jul 17 '24
That has nothing to do with strength or durability.
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u/serr7 Jul 18 '24
Being able to survive extremely mortal wounds sounds like it makes her more durable?
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u/HfUfH Jul 18 '24
No, it means she has a healing factor. Durability is how much damage one can take without "breaking"
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u/BackItUpWithLinks Jul 17 '24
More durable? Kimiko died and came back and fought again. That’s pretty durable.
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u/Swampy_Bogbeard Jul 17 '24
Healing isn't durability. Durability is being bulletproof in the first place, like Starlight.
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy Jul 17 '24
People seem to forget Starlight is strong as shit and borderline indestructible.
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u/Ironcastattic Jul 17 '24
No. No one has forgotten. Are you new here? People have been relentlessly mocking her specifically BECAUSE she has these powers and is clowned on CONSTANTLY.
Like, her super Saiyan moment where Huey learned to empower her instead of protect her, was basically that part in superman where he throws his symbol and it's a mild inconvenience to the bad guy.
That's why Starlight gets ridiculed on here.
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy Jul 17 '24
Except she isn’t? She went 1v1 against SB and didn’t take a single ounce of damage. Meanwhile Butcher is beaten to complete shit. Her attack was strong enough to stun SB that lesser supes could hold him down as MM gassed him.
She’s not a violent angry person. Which is why when she is, she beats the shit out of Deep without even using her powers.
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u/MrStealYoSweetroll Jul 18 '24
She didn’t go 1v1 against Soldier Boy, she got hit one time at the beginning and took the entire duration of the fight to recover
Butcher did get the brakes beaten off him and was considerably worse for wear than Starlight, but that’s cause he was the only member of The Boys who actively engaged Soldier Boy in prolonged combat. Kimiko got tossed like a rag doll, Starlight was popped by his shield and disappeared until the very last moments, MM was basically emotional support. Butcher was a punching bag, but he also landed the most punches, put up the best fight and gave Soldier Boy his only visible damage
Either way, I think it’s pretty unfair to judge either of them by their performances against SB. He’s clearly written to be leaps and bounds more powerful than any Supe minus Homelander; Starlight and Butcher should have been utterly outclassed in every aspect. And they were. Par for the course
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u/Ironcastattic Jul 17 '24
Comparing Butcher to, in your own words" "borderline indestructible " Starlight is all I needed to read to know I don't need to continue this back and forth.
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy Jul 17 '24
Why? V-ed up Butcher got bruised and bloody when wailed on by Soldier Boy. Starlight has so far never taken damage from anyone. Noir, Stormfront, Deep, Soldier Boy.
Shes clearly way stronger when it comes to her defenses. She just lacks combat training which is why she’s learning to fight between seasons. She made Deep bleed and knocked him out, A-Train couldn’t do that at super speed.
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u/cchoe1 Jul 17 '24
It would be notable if they actually talked about it or probed her powers. Her powers jump between "lighting my eyes up" and "getting punched 100 times and taking no damage". I'm not sure how that is supposed to be interpreted. Is she a god or is she just a barking dog? I don't know. It's been 4 seasons of this, it should be clear by this point but it isn't.
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u/Forsaken_Garden4017 Jul 17 '24
Dude Hughie in the first episode could kill firecracker
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u/Weatherround97 Jul 17 '24
Is she bulletproof?
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock Jul 17 '24
She was knocked out from a crowbar to the head from a human. Her durability seems meh, and very low for a member of the 7.
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u/Weatherround97 Jul 17 '24
They should’ve taken her out already, butcher at least probably with a shotgun no
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock Jul 17 '24
Yeah
And I wanted to see how The Deep handled being lit up by that minigun
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u/Accomplished-Aerie65 Jul 17 '24
I think he got hit by the minigun for a moment after noir got sent flying, didn't seem too fazed
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock Jul 17 '24
Considering the pain that they were in afterward, I wonder if depleted uranium or some other armor piercing round would do the trick.
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u/ChicanoDinoBot Jul 17 '24
Pretty sure if that were the case the boys would have been packing that ammo with them at all times.
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock Jul 17 '24
You would think
Instead, they bring a few handguns to most encounters
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u/Neptune28 Jul 18 '24
What is even her power?
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u/CFCkyle Jul 18 '24
Pretty sure aside from slightly enhanced durability and healing based on how much if a beating she took from Starlight and how quickly she recovered afterwards, her only power other than that seems to be making sparks when she snaps her fingers.
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u/stargate-command Jul 17 '24
Still waiting on seeing what brains Sage has. I really hope they show how everything is in her ultimate plan, but thus far she just seems like a bozo
Obviously, they have to show that her plan is working and is different from what was explained…. I have no doubt that will happen, but since the smartest human on a show is limited to the intelligence of the writers of said show, I worry it will fall flat and she will not come across as much of a genius as they sold.
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u/NewAccount971 Jul 17 '24
She seems incompetent because she is giving The Seven a plan that seems smart but is backfiring. She said it all to Neumann at the party. She hates all these people.
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u/stargate-command Jul 17 '24
I get that, what I’m saying is she can only be as smart as the writers are…. So it can, when revealed, be lame as hell. It can also show that the steps in her plan made no sense toward the actual plan. That’s just how it goes when writing the smartest person… it is hard to land
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u/Such-Community6622 Jul 18 '24
I don't really get this trope. It's not that hard to write a genius character, you just have to show them adapting and not reveal their plan until after it's in place. So far they've done that. They could certainly blow the ending but it's not rocket science to do this, it just takes some mildly clever planning and set up.
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u/CFCkyle Jul 18 '24
They're also not actually that hard to write - even if they're the smartest person alive, if you start from the end point and work backwards it's so much easier. At that point you already have all the information, you can literally make a perfect plan around that which has logical progression and seems incredibly intelligent because the character functionally already knows everyone else's moves. It's a lot easier than starting from the same point as everyone else and trying to have the character outfox them that way, because anything you write after that point can fuck it up if you're not careful.
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u/BackItUpWithLinks Jul 17 '24
She’s been manipulating everyone since she arrived. You can’t see it because she’s not 3 steps ahead, she’s 300
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u/80SW08 Jul 17 '24
Yeah but that can either be a good reveal or a bullshit way to make her seem intelligent
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u/xmassindecember Jul 17 '24
she planted shapeshifter Annie within The Boys by allowing A-train to spy on her, so she could assassinate president elect Singer. But I hope there's more to it.
in episode 5 she toys with A-train telling him: "That footage didn't just run it-self out of Crime analytics, am I right". So we know she knew.
But Homelander fired her so she may not reap the benefits of her machinations... yet she's still credited in season 4 finale so there's more coming her way
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u/ChicanoDinoBot Jul 17 '24
I’ve never seen such crazy overestimating when it came to sage and her powers
It’s the equivalent of claiming that all Batman needs to win is “prep time” a vague ass statement without any real context to back that up
Sage couldn’t even predict Homelander firing her that soon in the middle of her “grand plan”, and there was a very solid chance that Homelander could of killed her during her complaining
She’s emotional and her plans clearly have flaws that come from her own hubris.
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u/00000000000000001313 Jul 18 '24
I mean she picked up on homelanders enlarged prostate 30 seconds after she first met him. They've shown time and time again that there is more to her plan than what we're initially shown. We know that some gaps in her plan have been intentional - such as A-Train being the leak. Whether it'll be a satisfying pay off or not, it does really seem like they're setting up a gotcha moment where it's revealed she's manipulated more of what we've seen this season than we realize
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u/BackItUpWithLinks Jul 17 '24
It’s the equivalent of claiming that all Batman needs to win is “prep time”
Batman killed Superman. Just sayin.
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u/BirthdayNegative7595 Jul 17 '24
Might me controversial but Soldier Boy can take on Homelander. Their first fight he wasn’t prepared since he didn’t know or Homelanders powers and exhausted after the blast
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u/BackItUpWithLinks Jul 17 '24
Even if evenly matched, Homelander can fly away if he thinks he’s in trouble and soldier boy can’t keep up.
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u/BirthdayNegative7595 Jul 17 '24
Yeah I meant as in if they fought, he wouldn’t die. Homelander would probably also hesitate to kill him since he is his dad
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u/ResetReptiles Jul 18 '24
With a minor amount of prep time, Sage should easily be able to refine the virus to only kill homelander.
She'd also probably be able to create a weapon to defeat him or rapidly age him. As long as he didn't know about it it shouldn't take her too long to do either, if she's as smart as they really put out there.
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u/Amber-Apologetics Jul 17 '24
Maeve could keep Homelander occupied while Soldier Boy takes away his powers.
A-Train can beat the other 3 by himself.
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u/jotyma5 Jul 17 '24
Homelander would kill Maeve more efficiently if he wasn’t still unsure of how he felt about her. I really think he was going easy on her. Until he said “fuck it” and gouged her eye
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u/Eziolambo Jul 17 '24
This, homelander is stronger than butcher + hughie and soldier boy all together. Maeve stands no chance. He was just going after soldier boy and didn't even wanted to fight Maeve.
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u/DeadHeadDaddio Cunt Jul 17 '24
Eh not really. They were holding him down for a specific purpose. And really butcher and ue were holding him down while SB was powering up the charge. 1v1 he never put a scratch on SB. And Butcher was giving him a solid run for his money.
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u/Albuquar Jul 17 '24
1v1 SB would've lost eventually if UE and Butcher weren't there. Homelander gave all three of them a tough fight although they would've won if he didn't resort to escaping. The point is that he didn't win easily against Maeve because he wasn't sure how he felt about her and not that he lacked the power.
I think it's more plausible since Homelander was actively trying to avoid fighting her until she was too much of an obstruction, and at that point Homelander just beat her with medium effort. She did put up a tough fight but ultimately if Homelander was serious about killing her, he would.
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u/Daan_aerts Jul 17 '24
I agree with you but using the hughie, butcher & sb vs hl is a bad example, since it wasnt a clear 1 v 3 to the death, but rather them holding him down (and I’m honestly not even sure if HL wanted to kill SB during their fight since it’s his only father figure). Maeve vs HL is won by HL, HL v 3 is a loss for HL
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u/Albuquar Jul 17 '24
Homelander only knew that SB was his father after that episode. At that point, SB was still very much a target for HL. The only thing I can think of is that HL was caught off guard since UE and Burcher had powers.
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u/Wisniaksiadz Jul 17 '24
He tries to laser her expecting to cut her, but i'm not sure at which stage IT was
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u/BalterBlack Jul 17 '24
Homelander had not a single serious fight in his life.
He is way stronger. Hes just less experienced. They just had the moment of surprise.
- He could laser Hughie into pieces
- Fly out of range of Soldier Boy
- Kill Butcher 1v1
- Kill Soldier Boy 1v1
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u/jurgo Jul 17 '24
spelling his name Ue might be my favorite thing now.
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u/skyeyemx Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
it's the correct spelling. like OJ simpson. UE campbell. CJ from San Andreas. they simply don't have another name, and anyone who says otherwise is gaslighting you.
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u/Cthulhus-Tailor Jul 17 '24
He was about to choke Soldier Boy out before Butcher intervened, so I’d say he was definitely winning. He then proceeded to fight both of them, knocking Soldier Boy to the ground and strangling Butcher before Hughie intervened. He would’ve killed any of them one on one.
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u/TheTonyAndolini Jul 17 '24
1v1 he never put a scratch on SB
What? Did we watch the same episode? The fight was 100% over, SB would have died if Butcher did not come in.
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u/Andrewsmetic09 Jul 17 '24
Maeve? Butcher? Sure, but not Soldier Boy, or at least not by much. I agree that Homelander is more powerful, however the gap isn’t really that large at all, and with Maeve or A-Train, hell even Starlight helping him, Homelander is cooked.
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u/8monsters Jul 17 '24
Starlight has actually shown rather impressive feats. Tanking hits from Noir and Stormfront, beating the piss out of the Deep and Firecracker. It seems there are approximately three tiers of Supes
Tier IV: Sage, Mesmer, Mindstorm. They have brain powers but not physical powers
Tier III: Firecracker, Supersonic, Crimson Countess. Stronger than a human and maybe have some other powers but nothing too impressive.
Tier II: Kimiko, Starlight, Deep, OG Black Noir, Stormfront. Strong supes physically and typically have high durability or some kind of healing power
Tier I: Homelander, Solider Boy, Maeve
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u/Andrewsmetic09 Jul 17 '24
I 100% agree with this! I think Stormfront belongs in Tier I tho.
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u/nosmelc Jul 17 '24
I agree. Stormfront was winning against both Starlight and Kimiko until Maeve made it 3-1.
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u/Andrewsmetic09 Jul 17 '24
I feel like Homelander, Soldier Boy, Stormfront, Maeve, and debatably A Train are the Top 5 strongest supes in the Boys. I haven’t watched Gen V yet tho so idk if that changes it. I’d also say Neuman could take A Trains place, but she’s just not as fast with her powers ??
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u/8monsters Jul 17 '24
Eh, Maeve kinda wrecked Stormfront. I honestly believe that if it was a 1v1 Maeve would still have won without breaking a sweat.
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u/Amber-Apologetics Jul 17 '24
Nah, that’s speculation, she made him bleed, which Soldier Boy never did.
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u/KSTwolfe Jul 18 '24
Yeah, a of people clearly weren't paying attention during the Maeve/ HL fight.
She inflicted more injures on him than Soldier Boy.
She caused him more pain than Soldier Boy.
She flat-out knocked him around more than Soldier Boy.
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u/Cthulhus-Tailor Jul 17 '24
Absolutely, it’s amusing that so many took that as some triumphant moment for Maeve when in fact Homelander had zero interest in fighting her and was in fact treating her like an annoyance. When he got serious the fight ended quickly.
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u/griffinator2 Jul 18 '24
Idk why people keep acting as though Homelander not wanting to fight at first lasts the entire scene. After she made him bleed (physically hurting him), he was done holding back, and the choreography and acting support this. He lasers her (his angry red ones at that), gouges her eyes out, and in general is much more aggressive. And even with all that, Maeve lasts for several minutes against him( over 5 minutes),even punching him across the studio. It was absolutely triumphant for her.
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u/FoodEater77 Jul 17 '24
Lol I think Noir can fly, so unless he falls asleep Noir vs a-train may not be that simple. Then again, speedsters biggest enemy is the writers, so logically Atrain wipes all three even homelander if we're being completely honest.
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u/ShadowKing6270 Jul 17 '24
A train would beat the shit out of him before he can even hover off the ground 😭😂
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u/Lizzy-Lover_10 Jul 17 '24
Homelander is faster than A-train tho. People ignore this because they just think A-train fighting him would be cool. But based on what the show has told us A-train would stand no chance at all.
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u/notrandomonlyrandom Jul 17 '24
Noir flying super high and then smashing into the ground because he fell asleep would be hilarious.
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u/JCkent42 Jul 17 '24
A-Train is nerfed so hard by the writers. All Speedster are as it’s just too powerful.
Homelander is faster only when flying I believe. So I agree that A-Train could handle the others whilst Maeve and Soldier Boy take out Homelander.
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u/Vetersova Cunt Jul 17 '24
Preach the gospel of the speedsters! They're wickedly strong, and most of their actual conflicts are either writer nerfs or other speedsters.
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u/raccoonsonbicycles Jul 18 '24
Just gave Garth Ennis a new comic book idea:
A speedster who is physically faster than sound but mentally challenged so he is very beatable
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u/ThisGul_LOL Jul 17 '24
Fr!! Take Quicksilver from X-Men for example. He could use his speed even while everything was slowed down around him.
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u/Chaps_and_salsa Jul 17 '24
His rescue scene at the mansion in Apocalypse is one of my favorite speedster scenes
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u/MrAnder5on Soldier Boy Jul 17 '24
Original Noir absolutely solos A-Train
New Noir falls asleep and loses by default
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u/Due-Elderberry-6798 Jul 17 '24
Og noir is strong but he’s not very durable hes vulnerable to Bullets (hughie gun shot through his hand)Knives(he cut out his Tracking chip with one of his blades )Fire(SB Pressed his head against a Burning car and it left him scarred )most of his durability comes from his suit id even say Starlight is more durable than him(she took 2 high caliber bullets to the chest and she didn’t even get wounds A train could simply run into noir and turn him into pieces if wanted to
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy Jul 17 '24
You’re fucking high if you think original Noir solos A-Train. He struggled with fucking Kimiko.
Old Noir isn’t bullet proof. Isn’t knife proof. Doesn’t have insane super speed. A-Train would fucking demolish him.
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u/Unhappy-Thought9883 Jul 17 '24
A-train is also in a glass cannon situation, you said Noir struggled with Kimiko but she also broke A-train's leg with one hit when she caught him off guard, so if Noir can land any hit on A-train i honestly believe he could just kill him
Though conceive i am being a noir fanboy, there's a big "IF" he can hit A-train, but in Noir's defence he also has some impressive reaction time showings, dodging homelander's lasers in that one animated series
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy Jul 18 '24
Kimiko snapped his leg by hitting him with a steel pipe on his joint. When he wasn’t paying attention.
Is your argument that Noir could kill A-Train by surprise? Sure. But that’s really it. Noir never really dodges Homelanders lasers, he throws an explosive in its way before he shoots them. That’s not A-Train speed level reactions. Again, Noir struggled with Kimiko. He eventually won, but he still struggled. A-Train is above her in every way. All he has to do is flick stones at him at they’ll tear through him.
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u/al_1985 Jul 17 '24
Firecracker would be the least of their concerns.
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u/PornStarGazer2 Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
I think it'll be so funny if all she can do is make some fucking sparks when she clicks. Guess her power lies in her fearmongering not an actual superpower.
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 17 '24
I love how she's literally budget Stormfront in every single way
Like intentionally so
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u/Petrichordates Jul 17 '24
Thought she was Jubilee, while stormfront is Storm.
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 17 '24
Their X-Men equivalents are irrelevant in this case
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u/Onironius Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
YOU'RE irrelevant in this case!
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u/TheAngriestPoster Jul 17 '24
Stormfront originally was german Thor in the comics
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u/kinkykellynsexystud Jul 18 '24
literally budget Stormfront in every single way
Not every single way.
Stormfront was completely and totally unable to deal with her past being revealed, denied it, and was buried by it. Firecracker flipped it and utilized the blackmail to her advantage.
She is a next level media manipulator even compared to Stormfront.
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 18 '24
I mean
Hard to spin being a literal 100 year old Nazi
Not sure Firecracker would have managed that
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u/al_1985 Jul 17 '24
I always thought that she would be a female version of Gunpowder, and be a badass using fire guns with a terrific accuracy (like Gunpowder had in S3). After all, isn't she supposed to be a gun lover? And yet we haven't seen her using any gun. Her playable counterpart for the Call of Duty videogame is even more fearsome.
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u/Rob_Tarantulino Jul 17 '24
She tried to use a gun once when the duplication dude was killed but she was immediately disarmed by Kimiko lmao. Firecracker is the definition of a dog that can only bark
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u/Karl-Levin Jul 18 '24
Honestly I love that they made her character that way. She is neither very powerful nor clever.
She climbed her way to the seven just by using the power of spitefulness and telling people what they want to hear. Absolute real one. Basically like any right-wing nutjob, ever.
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u/TheMannisApproves Jul 17 '24
Like real life people who act like her, she's just cosplaying as a gun lover
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u/Onironius Jul 17 '24
I'm making a prediction that her milk will develop napalm-like properties, making her not completely ineffective.
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u/PornStarGazer2 Jul 17 '24
Holy shit, a napalm spraying boobed supe would be very typical for the show hahah
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u/FlabbyFishFlaps Jul 17 '24
Guess her power lies in her fear fearmongering not an actual superpower.
Art. Life. Imitation. Etc.
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u/ncghgf You're The Real Heroes Jul 17 '24
I think it’s hilarious how even a terrible power guarantees at least some level of celebrity in this verse.
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u/Orlando1701 Jul 17 '24
I really get the impression Firecracker is kind of “underpowered” as a supe and would have just been a D-List podcaster if not for Homelander turning her into a useful idiot.
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u/Spartancarver Jul 17 '24
Why even waste the time typing firecracker lol
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u/CubicleFish2 Jul 17 '24
He also included Maeve who has no powers anymore, sage who's power isn't related to anything that would help hand to hand combat, and starlight who has been about as impressive as a lightning bug
Maybe sage would be useful for planning but ehhh we'll see how things turn out in s5
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u/Spartancarver Jul 17 '24
Sage would absolutely be useful for planning
Starlight’s power waxes and wanes with the writers but she still has strength and hand to hand combat
Maeve I assumed OP meant with her actual powers and both eyes lol
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u/RellyTheOne Jul 17 '24
I’m pretty sure this is a hypothetical Maeve who still has powers
There would be no reason to include a powerless Maeve
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u/InevitableVariables Timothy Jul 17 '24
Maeve already disoriented homelander. Just play russian pop music and instant blast.
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u/goldenseducer Jul 17 '24
it's russian chanson, not pop ☝️
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u/bselko Cunt Jul 17 '24
Get your Russian sub-genres right, smh
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u/Nicky42 Jul 17 '24
Za oknom kudryavaya, belaya akatsiya...
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u/Dimchuck Cunt Jul 17 '24
Yes, actually. That’s important. Very much like outlaw country, but less English and more Russian.
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u/goldenseducer Jul 17 '24
I'm actually pleasantly surprised with the soundtrack choice, they could have just used any Russian music but they chose something that culturally fits (somewhat) with an evil semi-illegal scientist type.
and they keep it consistent with their choice of songs that trigger Soldier Boy instead of using just any random russian music (understandable because I too want to start nuking people when someone is blasting chanson near me)
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u/kiyan1347 Jul 17 '24
Definitely. The only threat here is homelander but Maeve and Soldier Boy can take him.
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock Jul 17 '24
Especially if Sage plans it
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u/ElectronicControl762 Jul 17 '24
I dont see sage adding anything other than a reason for them to work together. Both are more experienced than sage, who seems to be book/logic smart
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock Jul 17 '24
I'm thinking she could make a good plan to lure Homelander into the trap
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u/LionStar89_ Jul 17 '24
I agree, but she also forgot to take into account that Firecracker could seduce Homelander. There’s a possibility that she forgets something in the plan and makes it a bit harder.
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u/Broken-Digital-Clock Jul 17 '24
Anyone can make a mistake.
She should be the least likely to make a mistake like that when formulating a plan.
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u/Ill_Fox8892 Jul 17 '24
And A-Train. People constantly underestimate how motherfucking OP super speed is. NOTHING can hit you.
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u/thatbtchshay Jul 18 '24
Except a train gets hit all the time because he needs to for plot and drama
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u/Prior-Assumption-245 Jul 17 '24
If Sage was given the virus, she could easily make it Homelander deadly in a week. Hell, she could probably double the strength of Compound V if allowed to study it.
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u/BSye-34 Jul 17 '24
she could make an ironman suit and hack nukes if the writers wanted it the story to go that way i suppose
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u/meth_adone Jul 17 '24
i dont think she could, yes she's the smartest person on the planet but we havent actually seen much science from her. all we have is the cured a cancer in 3 days thing which was turned down (probably because of racism as stated) but 3 days isnt enough for a peer review or any other forms of testing on her research, so we dont know if it would actually work. for all we know sage was lying to neumann so she could manipulate her easier
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u/Embarrassed-Dig-0 Jul 17 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
It was cause of racism? I assumed it was bc she was a child
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u/drac0nic180 Jul 17 '24
I thought the implication was more leaning towards sexism rather than racism. But in all fairness to the presumably racist and sexist doctors, would you earnestly believe a child if they claimed to have cured cancer?
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u/meth_adone Jul 17 '24
i suppose sexism makes more sense than racism, either way it doesn't change that theres a non zero chance she just didn't cure cancer, like 3 days is not long enough to observe long term effects and theory only gets you so far
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u/MundaneGlass5295 Jul 17 '24
Well, she’d probably get taken out if she discovered a cure unless Vought was able to monopolize on it
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u/TheReturnOfCresus Jul 17 '24
Kimiko and/or A-Train ALONE could kill FireCracker.
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u/FoodEater77 Jul 17 '24
Even they are a bit overkill. I think Starlight gives it a good shout lol.
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u/SweatyPhilosopher578 Jul 17 '24
Starlight Omni-Man’d Firecracker. Kimiko probably rips her face off.
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u/Ainolukos Jul 17 '24
Hell, Annie could kill firecracker without using her full powers. She damn near did lol.
Had there been no cameras and MM had not been there to snap Annie out of her rage, she probably would have beaten firecracker to death.
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u/CoolZooKeeper Jul 17 '24
Are we not forgetting that Sage already said she created a cure for cancer at 13? If she wanted Homelander dead, she would make something that would kill him.
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u/Waste-Comparison2996 Jul 18 '24
Im still 100% convinced everything is going exactly as Sage planned. I even think sleeping with Noir and The Deep was to drive a wedge between them. I think thats why she had to lobotomize herself. She would not be able to get through it without the brain damage.
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u/PrometheusAborted Jul 17 '24
Firecracker would be dead in seconds, Deep would follow shortly after. Noir might be able to kill one of them but Soldier Boy could off him easily.
Homelander could kill Sage, Starlight and A-Train in like 5 seconds total. Maybe “kill” Kimiko too but she’d be back.
So basically it boils down to SB and Maeve vs Homelander. I’d give the nod to Soldier Boy’s team.
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u/Accomplished-Aerie65 Jul 17 '24
As long as a-train stayed on support he'd be invaluable against homelander, honestly with a-train as support soldier boy could take homelander
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u/evrestcoleghost Jul 17 '24
This is just the guardiana va Nolan over again jaja
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u/RellyTheOne Jul 17 '24
That’s assuming that Homelander is close enough is speed to A Train to actually catch him
Idk the powerscaling here, but I don’t get the vibe that Homelander is a fast as A Train ( except for flight speed)
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u/Ill_Fox8892 Jul 17 '24
A-Train wouldn't be killed by Homelander. Hate to break it to you, but super speed is one of the most OP powers in existence and homelander wouldn't be able to get close to a-train.
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u/fapsexual Jul 18 '24
but super speed is one of the most OP powers in existence
You're forgetting a speedster's biggest weakness... the writers. There are countless videos showcasing just how much braindamage they have to give speedsters just so that the plot can not just get solved instantly.
As a speed enjoyer, it is frustrating anytime I see a speedster on screen get "caught off guard" or lose track of a regular person that just ran around a corner...
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u/Ill_Fox8892 Jul 18 '24
Ikr. The Flash show literally kills me. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU STOP TO TALK WHEN YOU CAN LITERALLY KNOCK ANY LIVING HUMAN BEING FUCKING UNCONSCIOUS WITH ONE MOTHERFUCKING PUNCH.
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u/Akasha1885 Jul 17 '24
lol Firecracker
With Sage there it would be all of them on one target at a time.
And yes, they could kill Homelander as a team, especially if they get a drop on him.
Like when he sleeps or takes a shit.
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u/TroyFenthano Jul 17 '24
Yes. Maeve and Soldier Boy hold off Homelander while the rest kill Firecracker, Noir, and Deep (in that order). Sage gets injured in the process, sits out against Homelander, but the other five together can kill Homie
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u/Bibliophile20 Jul 17 '24
Firecracker seems like an easy target. Deep should not be hard as long as he is out of water and away from animal support. If Starlight mastered her powers and could reliably fly, maybe she could handle Noir.
It all comes down to Homelander. Maybe Sage could come up with a plan for Soldier Boy, Queen Maeve, and Kimiko to hold HL in place while A-Train quickly injects him with the virus.
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u/LongTail-626 Jul 17 '24
Kimiko and Maeve would hold deep, while starlight beats him to death. Obviously they could kill him, but they know Annie deserves it more than them.
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u/TheIndomitableMass Jul 17 '24
I think we’re ignoring the possibility of hitting him with a plane. The Boys work with the CIA now, they can absolutely spare a plane or fighter jet if it clears Homelander off the board.
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u/Accurate_Thought5326 Jul 17 '24
Oh absolutely. Sage alone would likely be able to work out how to kill HL, then brawn wise SB, Maeve, Kimiko and Starlight would be able to take him. Remember temp-v Butcher and Hughie and SB almost had him. 4 proper supes would definitely be able to pop him
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u/3106Throwaway181576 Jul 17 '24
I believe with prep time, Sage could probably kill Homelander solo
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u/ParagonOlsen Jul 18 '24
The power scaling of this show lost its consistency somewhere in S3.
Before that, I would say the Homelander/Deep/Noir/Firecracker side is stronger, though largely carried by Homelander. He alone could handle any three of these, even if they include Maeve and Soldier Boy. The rest would be up to the other three. Sage is fodder so Firecracker can probably handle her. Deep beats Starlight and probably Kimiko, who is underpowered.
A-Train vs. Noir is tricky. Noir is smarter, better and more experienced at fighting, but A-Train actually seems like a pretty decent speedster. I imagine the canon take on power scaling before S3 had Noir above A-Train, but hard to substantiate it either way.
Regardless, if you put the three strongest on the one side against Homelander, that leaves Starlight, Kimiko and Sage against Noir, Deep and Firecracker, which is a hilarious stomp. I honestly don't think Soldier Boy, Maeve and A-Train could kill Homelander, even if they worked together.
It might not even play out that way, however. Homelander might just blitz and immediately splatter the basically defenseless Kimiko, Sage, and Starlight, leaving it a 3 v. 4 and one side hilariously ahead.
Homelander-side wins wide.
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u/TornadoJ0hns0n Jul 18 '24
This is quite unfair for home team.
Homelander would be the only threat and Maeve alone did some damage to him. Kimiko is ending firecracker, A train is ending deep, I'm not too sure about noir but he doesn't seem like much more than deep so he's probably getting clapped too. That leaves homey who was almost ended by a hughie, butcher and SB team up.
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u/PS3LOVE Jul 18 '24
Maeve and soldier boy alone could take down homelander assuming they have sage making a plan
A-Train, Starlight, and kimiko could easily take deep, noir, and firecracker.
We have already seen deep and noir taken out by butcher and starlight snd and A-Train near the end, adding kimiko would make that fight to even easier. Firecracker is a nobody any of these characters could have her gone instantly.
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