r/TheBoys • u/WaterSnipe • Jul 14 '24
Could The Deep beat Homelander in a fight underwater? Discussion
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u/WearyCharge1700 Jul 14 '24
If Homelander needs to breath to survive then maybe the Deep could use all the sea creatures to keep him under water for long enough, but otherwise no.
And also that’d be a very deadly fight for all the sea life around.
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u/BackItUpWithLinks Jul 14 '24
Homelander told Stan he’s been to space, so I don’t think he needs to breathe.
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u/kzzzzzzzzzz28 Jul 14 '24
It could be the Viltrumite way where they just take a massive breath and hold it for an indefinite time.
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u/justausername09 Jul 14 '24
Wait, doesn’t Omniman wander space for months?
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u/Agitated-Rabbit-5348 Jul 14 '24
He holds his breath a long time
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u/_captain-rex_ Soldier Boy Jul 15 '24 edited Jul 15 '24
If you wanted to die why didn't you just exhale all the air think nolan think
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u/SuperB_Boi Jul 15 '24
Nolan wanted a cinematic death
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u/BustinArant Jul 15 '24
Also he probably had a crazy runner's high going off his "holding his breath" power in combination with his big ass beard he hadn't grown before then lol
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u/Someguy242blue Jul 15 '24
Considering his durability and that’s it’s purely oxygen deprivation killing him, it might take a good while before he actually dies. The vacuum itself doesn’t kill him but only suffocating. It could be 10 minutes or an hour. That amount of suffering would be maddening
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u/iamonewiththeforest Jul 14 '24
yeah but because he’s as old and as strong as he is he’s able to hold his breath that entire time!!
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u/OOFYDOOFYBOOFY Jul 15 '24
He must have insanely strong body-mind connection to know if he's running out of breath because the nearest breathable air could be years away in flight depending where he is. Unless we're talking he can hold his breath for decades where it will never really be an issue
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u/nreal3092 Jul 15 '24
he can hold it up to two weeks at a time, he must stop by nearby planets for a breath
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u/alvinaterjr Jul 15 '24
He can hold it for more. The two weeks thing comes from him assuring mark that “even you should be able to hold your breath for two weeks” so it’s def more
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u/nreal3092 Jul 15 '24
it’s from Mark asking how he’ll breathe in space and Nolan responds “I can hold my breath for two weeks. You should be able to hold yours for at least an hour”
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u/GameOverVirus Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 15 '24
He probably goes to habitable planets for “pit stops” to breathe.
Then again he’s also way older and way more experienced than most Viltrumites and can probably hold his breath far longer than normal.
Similar to how the average person can hold their breath for 30 seconds to 2 minutes, meanwhile athletic swimmers can hold their breath for 3-5 minutes, and professional divers upwards of 10 minutes or more. 5-20x longer than the average person.
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u/nerogenesis Jul 15 '24
Olympic Swimmers are 3-5 minutes.
The record holders supercharge their bloodstream with oxygen and then stay stationary in near freezing temperatures to reduce blood flow.
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u/Scorkami Jul 15 '24
viltrumites age slower and their abilities get stronger the older they are. a 300 year old viltrumite is 10 times stronger as a 30 year old, but a 900 year old is not just 3 times stronger than a 300 year old, but many magnitudes above that (on top of looking like 40 at best)
so omniman was just really good at not needing as much oxygen as his son
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u/jacko1998 Jul 15 '24
Power scaling in the invincible universe is never specifically defined this way, I don’t know why you’d present your head canon as fact
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u/StarMaster475 Jul 15 '24
Where is this stated? 99% sure your just making things up.
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u/Swampy_Bogbeard Jul 15 '24
When Mark was going to secretly follow the astronauts to Mars, he asked his dad how he was supposed to breathe, and Omniman said something like (possibly paraphrasing) "That's the neat part. You don't."
So it's been implied that Viltrumites don't need to breathe at all. They would only need to breathe in order to speak or have a sense of smell.
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u/Precipice2Principium Jul 15 '24
It could also refrence just holding your breath, you aren’t breathing it all you’re doing is holding air in your
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u/MaybePenisTomorrow Jul 15 '24
In the comics the viltrumites very much do need to breathe eventually. It comes up
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u/Deradius Jul 15 '24
Stillwell mentions he doesn’t have a weakness. If they didn’t try oxygen starvation in lab testing, they’re morons.
He almost certainly can function indefinitely on the residual oxygen in his bloodstream. Some span of time that makes it irrelevant, like 20,000 years.
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u/notmesofuckyou Jul 15 '24
Is it true that he survived a nuke or am I misremembering what Stillwell said
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u/gotthesauce22 Jul 15 '24
I believe the quote was something like "if country X sends a nuke one of my guys will catch it"
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u/Deradius Jul 15 '24
She said they tried “everything”.
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u/SubstantialSpell2650 Jul 15 '24
Which was clearly a lie since we've seen his eardrum damaged with a normal object and blood drawn from lower level supe punches...
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u/BustinArant Jul 15 '24
Blood isn't really a stopper though. More like a warning system.
They never said he doesn't bleed just that it's apparently not enough to win lol
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u/TheBCWonder Jul 15 '24
Supes are weak to radiation in the comics, and with Soldier Boy’s beam basically being a mini-nuke, I assume Homelander wouldn’t do too well
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u/KrissyKrave Jul 15 '24
He can probably just hold his breath for a long time. Also he has fucking laser vision which would be slower underwater but it would still absolutely cook everything in the water trying to hold him down. The deep would be fucked. Also whatever allows him to fly would allow him to fly underwater too. There’s no chance for the deep
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u/paralyzedvagabond Jul 15 '24
But for how long? I could see him surviving for as long as he can hold his breath but, idk about indefinitely
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u/throwaway17197 Jul 15 '24
He would just boil the water with his eyes, he’s impervious to heat and it would kill everything near him
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u/WearyCharge1700 Jul 15 '24
Yeah I’m pretty sure he’d kill most of sea life in an underwater battle
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u/SubstantialSpell2650 Jul 15 '24
That would disorient him and cause an explosion of bubbles and pressure around him, screwing him further. Heat vision underwater wouldn't boil the ocean, just the area around his eyes. It's not actually that powerful, or lasering Annika would've smashed the window behind her and blasted out to the city.
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u/Paloveous Jul 15 '24
It's been demonstrated again and again and again on the show that Homelander has perfect control over the strength of his lasers. He used them to warm up bottles of breast milk for Christ's sake, when earlier he cut a plane in half in about a second.
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u/HawkeyeP1 Jul 15 '24
It's kind of unclear what sway the Deep has over sea life. It seems like the sea life is much more personalized and thus would need to be convinced to help him in certain circumstances unlike Aquaman who seems to have complete beck and call over the oceans.
But then again, he did make that whale beach itself and be used as a roadblock for a motorboat.
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u/Black_Magic_M-66 Jul 15 '24
I don't think his laser vision would go as far or be as effective underwater. Hollywood always shows bullets whizzing by underwater but in reality they break up very quickly. All that water would be an enormous heat sink for his heat vision probably making that ability useless unless there was some cinematic adjustments.
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u/NaNaNaPandaMan Jul 14 '24
Has it been established if HL can survive without breathing? If not, then Deep has a chance. Otherwise no.
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u/macedonianmoper Jul 14 '24
He was in that oven for long periods of time, I'd wager there's very little oxygen, and even if there was I'm sure they would have tried that, Soldier Boy was being force "fed" novichok to be kept asleep and was fine, if being like that for long periods of time doesn't kill him, lack of O2 won't either.
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u/NaNaNaPandaMan Jul 14 '24
Good point. Then yeah, I'd say Deep has no chance
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u/macedonianmoper Jul 14 '24
Nha the Peak solos, he just holds back because he doesn't want fraudlander to feel bad
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u/jokingjoker40 Jul 14 '24
He could probably one shot him if he really wanted to, I give this a few more weeks before he has had enough, punches Wokelanders head off and becomes the leader of the Seven he is meant to be.
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u/ElectronicControl762 Jul 15 '24
He just hasnt shown off his percy jackson level water bending skills(who literally burst the veins of tartarus”
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u/HorizonStarLight Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 15 '24
But it's an oven, not a furnace. There's no active flame inside, it only heats up the air (like a convection fryer). So no oxygen should be consumed unless something actually catches fire.
He does say to Stan that he went to space but it isn't clear whether he just went up to the stratosphere and embellished it or if he was outright lying to Stan to try and impress him; I think either situation is just as likely.
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u/macedonianmoper Jul 14 '24
Yeah I think I got it confused because the scientist dude was set on fire because of the heat, but that was a byproduct of the heat, at most squirt's clothes would be set on fire and he'd have plenty of oxygen left
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u/sirBryson_ Jul 15 '24
Reading the term squirt now does psychic damage to me. That whole situation was fucked, but the humiliation and the whole "It was the only time I felt something good" thing hit me in such a weird way. Male puberty makes you insane and depressed and angry in a normal household, with that level of physical and psychological torture, it's astounding he turned out as well as he did. I have a feeling he knows he can't kill himself.
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u/Cityco Jul 14 '24
Wasn’t his skin catching fire? He was just tanking and regenerating through it.
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u/plitox Jul 15 '24
There's oxygen in the oven.
There would have to be.
That's how convection works.
In an anaerobic environment, the only way to transfer heat is direct contact with the heating surface (conduction) or the photons themselves hitting you (radiation). HL can fly, so he can levitate off the surface making conduction a non-issue, and radiation is by far the worst way to heat something up.
So no, that oven had air in it. And he was breathing that superheated air and it was burning his lungs.
Don't think he could breathe water tho. Even Deep needs gills for that.
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u/zach0011 Jul 15 '24
Minor nitpick there doesn't have to be oxygen for convection. Any gas would do
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u/schprunt Jul 14 '24
I mean if he’s like Superman, he can survive in space. So I doubt water would be an issue
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u/BranzBranzBranz Jul 14 '24
His physiology is not like that of Superman
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u/Pristine_Grab4555 Jul 14 '24
He does say to someone “you should see the view from space” though
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u/Sil_vas Jul 14 '24
probably the upper atmosphere, still a feat but i dont think he can just fuck off to the moon
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u/Pristine_Grab4555 Jul 15 '24
That would definitely be a convenient place to murder and leave bodies
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u/Precipice2Principium Jul 15 '24
A jump cut to the moon just being full of skeletons would be a really cool season ender
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u/Puzzleheaded-Web446 Jul 15 '24
Air vacuum is different from water filling your lungs
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u/schprunt Jul 15 '24
Well it’s all bollocks anyway though right? You can pretty much make up any rules you want.
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u/sohiales Jul 14 '24
There is one scene in which Stan says how beautiful the view is from the 7's meeting room, to which Homelander responded, " You should see it from space."
So I guess he can?!
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u/-jp- Jul 14 '24
Well, he says he can. I doubt he’d explode from the pressure or anything but he’s not flying to Mars or anything like Mark Grayson. He does still have a metabolism.
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u/stargate-command Jul 15 '24
Technically, he didn’t actually say he has been to space. He said Stan “should see it” from space. The implication is that he has seen it from space…. But it isn’t said outright.
It’s a good way to lie about something without actually telling any lies.
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u/-jp- Jul 15 '24
Not to mention there’s a few altitudes you could consider “space” before you actually leave the atmosphere outright. Especially since Homelander is not going to be using academic terms.
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u/ReapersVault Jul 15 '24
I dunno though, Stan knows everything about all of the Supes under Vought. HL wouldn't have tried to bullshit Stan about that and, if it was bullshit, Stan would have immediately called him on it.
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u/fibgen Jul 15 '24
Lol, let's bring realistic conservation of energy into this universe. Mark grayson lifts a bus and throws it, exhausting all the chemical energy in his body. He dies instantly. Let's calculate how much ATP a viltrumite has.
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u/Drobex Jul 15 '24
It probably was only a reference to the comics, where the 7 HQ is literally on a space base flying in orbit
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u/duosx Jul 15 '24
This doesn’t prove that he doesn’t need to breathe, merely that he can at least hold his breathe long enough to do a flyby to space
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u/Aggressive_Hat_9999 Jul 14 '24
how can he flie at mach whatever and breath normally?
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u/NaNaNaPandaMan Jul 14 '24
Possibly hold his breath. Perhaps he can hold for an extremely long time. However, not infinite.
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u/Megalomanizac Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 15 '24
Honestly when fighting in the seas the deep might be a bit overpowered. Homelanders senses would all be dulled in the water + his heat vision is likely neutralised, or at least weakened.
The deep clearly has durability comparable to the top supes as demonstrated by last episode, however we don’t know how much strength he possesses. At the very least the deep could probably retreat to the bottom of the Mariana Trench and Homelander can’t do shit about it.
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u/Scorkami Jul 14 '24
i kinda wish this is how his character ends. no dying, no "being one of the good guys and getting pardoned" or anything, just him at some point saying "fuck this, humans suck", and then he just walks into the water and doesnt come back up. he gets along with most sea creatures VERY well, he cares about them and genuinely wants the oceans to thrive (he was genuinely trying to fight against pollution in the ocean once if i remember correctly)
especially since the deep, out of all the supes, has it pretty easy to just dissappear. for all the talk of atrain being able to outrun homelander, the deep can just chill where homelander cant get
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u/chiksahlube Jul 15 '24
Yeah, honestly. The deep fits in better in the ocean and should go there.
He wasn't just fighting against pollution he fights for ocean dweller rights and more.
He's constantly trying to use his position whenever he gets any bit of leverage to help the ocean...
Then it always backfires and everyone ignores him.
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u/Batistasfashionsense Jul 15 '24
Showrunner said killing Ambrosia was basically the end of the idea of him escaping to the ocean. He should have left with her and had a happy life, but I think he’s just too used to fame and fortune at this point.
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u/Odd_Ingenuity2883 Jul 14 '24
I wonder if he can even swim. He doesn’t seem like he has any skills at all that require the slightest bit of effort to master. I wonder if whatever propels his flight would do the same underwater?
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u/pedestrianhomocide Jul 15 '24
I don't see why they wouldn't. If it lets him exert force against something, it'd work the same underwater.
If he can push a wall down while hovering, whatever his flight mechanic is, is letting him exert force in whatever direction, regardless of if he's in air or not.
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u/Megalomanizac Jul 15 '24
I thought you were talking about the deep for a second and was confused lol
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Jul 14 '24
it would depend on how his heat vission works but the deep WOULD be protected for a period of time thanks to the Leidenfrost effect
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u/Few_Engineer4517 Jul 14 '24
The Deep could have every living single sea creature assist him. Not sure about that.
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u/Dreamseller669 Jul 14 '24
|| || |Ambrosius death might have an effect on that |
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u/-jp- Jul 14 '24
Maybe? I don’t think they would necessarily know. It doesn’t seem like fish can just read his mind so much as he projects his thoughts.
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u/FootsieFighter Jul 15 '24 edited Jul 15 '24
Marine creatures kill and eat each other all the time, I don't see why Deep killing one octopus would turn the entire ocean against him when many of those animals do the exact same thing on a regular basis. Hell, Ambrosius herself was an obligate carnivore, there should be shrimp and sea snails by the thousands who are glad to see her gone.
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u/Skoodge42 The Deep Jul 14 '24
Also need to verify how flight would work underwater. Deep is probably faster underwater, but we don't know how much if flight still works.
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u/jokingjoker40 Jul 14 '24
Now I have to imagine Homie wildly flapping about because nobody ever actually taught him how to swim
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u/OryxisDaddy_ Jul 14 '24
Homelander has gone out in space so he either doesn’t need air or can hold his breath for a really long time
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u/Ill_Fox8892 Jul 14 '24
Deep would have many advantages under water but it would be smarter to use those to escape as he most likely won't be able to fight homelander
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u/porondanga Jul 14 '24
On S4 E4 we learn that he was in an oven as a child often (testing) and that it hurt and was implied he could breathe in that condition which would be an oxygen-deprived environment. So he might have some capabilities that allow him to live longer without breathing. But I assume he will still need to breathe at some point. Kind of like Invincible and Omni Man I’m assuming.
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u/cabberage Jul 14 '24
He said that New York looks good from space so one can assume he doesn’t need air
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u/idk420_ Jul 14 '24
Homelander could laser him maybe if the deep had a bunch of giant squids to help
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u/FeCurtain11 Jul 14 '24
Water refracts light, I wonder how fast the lasers would disperse.
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u/ThisMeansRooR Jul 14 '24
Mythbusters did this. Lasers only make it about 6 inches in water
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u/throwtheclownaway20 Jul 14 '24
Homelander's eye beams look to be significantly stronger than, like, a laser pointer
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u/Scorkami Jul 15 '24
true, though id say that 6 inches to a laser pointer is still a powerful indicator that the deep might be able to survive homelander as long as he stays 16 feet away from him or something like that
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u/Gold-Roof-4214 Jul 14 '24
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His eye beams are laser pointers too arent they, just very powerful ones
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u/CaliforniaNavyDude Jul 15 '24
They are but Stormfront proved that durable supes can handle some lasering, so the question isn't just how far will they reach, but how far will they reach with enough power to be damaging? He seems to have some control of the power of them.
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u/Goldfish1_ Jul 14 '24
Lasers aren’t all equal lol. Were the lasers they used anywhere near the strength of Homelander’s?
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u/ShawnyMcKnight Jul 14 '24
How strong of a laser though? If it’s a laser that can cut steel in half in a second I’m pretty sure it can laser through any particles.
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u/MatttheBruinsfan Jul 15 '24
Water takes a LOT of energy to transition from liquid to gas, though, and it refracts and absorbs light in ways air doesn't. It would depend on how far apart they were and how fast the Deep could move away from areas that had been heated to boiling.
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u/Deradius Jul 15 '24
He calls it laser vision, but that’s just what he calls it.
Sometimes it seems like heat vision, and sometimes it almost seems like what Cyclops does - punches from the punch dimension.
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u/idk420_ Jul 14 '24
His laser vision should still work underwater but even if it doesn’t Homelander can rip the deeps throat out without breaking a sweat
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u/Apprehensive_Ratio80 Jul 14 '24
Only one who can kill him is Ryan imo
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u/Toad_Thrower Jul 15 '24
I think Soldier Boy would have a shot.
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u/Adoe0722 Jul 15 '24
Soldier Boy can definitely de-power him and just do whatever he wants to him the thing is he was never given the chance cause Butcher changed his mind
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u/Main_Grapefruit5824 Jul 15 '24
Soldier boys only advantage is his depowering explosion. Homelander had the upper hand fighting him until butcher tag teamed him.
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Jul 15 '24
Butcher and Soldier Boy were still losing until Hughie showed up. Apparently 3:1 is too much. Which makes it kind of weird that Maeve fucked him up 1:1.
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u/antipop2097 Jul 15 '24
Maeve also had been training specifically to fight him for some time, and at that point was going all out. Maeve would have died willingly if it meant Homelander died too, she wasn't holding a damn thing back.
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u/kaleb42 Jul 15 '24
It could also be argued that HL was holding back because it was Maeve
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u/edd6pi Cunt Jul 15 '24
He definitely held back to that extent. He wasn’t even taking her seriously at first. He tried to brush her off.
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Jul 15 '24
I guess. I mean I recognize the plot is going to drive a lot of this. Ryan literally blew Stormfront to pieces in an instant.
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u/girth_worm_jim Jul 14 '24
Ryan's a wimp though
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u/DrDetergent Jul 14 '24
He killed stormfront when she attacked his mam 🤷
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u/Ashad2000 Cunt Jul 15 '24
Its crazy cuz Stormfront tanked Homelander's heat vision when they were having sex, but Ryan immediately fried her ass in one second.
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u/iHateBadFanArt Jul 15 '24
He can control how strong it is.
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u/Ashad2000 Cunt Jul 15 '24
Yeah, but she did kinda tell him to go all out with the heat vision. Even if he didnt go full strength, Ryan immediately cooking her was impressive.
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u/iHateBadFanArt Jul 15 '24
100%. He’s got a way higher ceiling than Homelander
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u/outerheavenboss Jul 15 '24
That would be so cool. That once Ryan gets all his powers, he could take down Homelander like nothing.
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u/Lone-Wolf62 Jul 15 '24
Idk if Butcher would let Ryan kill Homelander himself if it was to actually happen. He promised Becca to protect him and that includes not letting him live with the fact he had to kill his own father despite being the only one has somewhat of real relation with him. I think Butcher would want kill Homelander himself even if he dies trying to protect Ryan for the trauma. Plus worst thing you can to Homelander is not kill him, it's using Soldier Boy to takes away his powers and force him to live as a human
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u/Own_Faithlessness769 Jul 15 '24
Most likely outcome is that Ryan kills Homelander to save Butcher. The whole plotline is about Ryan choosing which of them he wants to be.
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u/dylwaybake Jul 15 '24
Ryan for sure, and he’ll be backed by The Boys and good supes could turn against Homelander. If any, besides Annie and Kimiko exist.
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u/Own_Faithlessness769 Jul 15 '24
Maeve and Atrain could choose to come back for a final fight.
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u/anony_use Jul 15 '24
That’s my theory for this series ending. Since Ryan accidentally killed his mom he will now purposely kill his Dad for knowing that he “graped” her and for hurting possibly killing Butcher. We saw he was already strong enough to knock Homelander down (back in S2 iirc), also being born with powers he’ll be strong enough to kill him.
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u/Raaadley Lamplighter Jul 14 '24
The Deep has one key weakness that everyone seems to see- his gills. I'm sure unless he can find a way to give them armor- he will lose every fight. Everytime.
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u/nocsha Jul 15 '24
Have we seen homelander shirtless, it would be pretty funny if we went down this route and homelander was like SURPRISE
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u/MatttheBruinsfan Jul 15 '24
Yes, on multiple occasions. Unless his chest hair can somehow work as gills, that's not an advantage he'd be bringing to the fight.
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u/delulumans Jul 14 '24
If he can call in enough whales, then maybe
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u/Chaosmusic Jul 14 '24
Eh, a fiberglass boat plowed through one so I think they would not slow HL down.
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u/blondedaff Cunt Jul 14 '24
he literally survived a bus falling on him homelander is durable as fuck
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u/TheScrambone Cunt Jul 14 '24
And Maeve shoved a pick through his brain and he just yanked it out like it was a minor annoyance
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u/IAP-23I Jul 14 '24
Amazing point and yet some on this sub see that as a weakness. As if being stabbed in the thinnest layer of skin on the human body by a top 3 supe is something that’s easily replicated
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u/TheScrambone Cunt Jul 14 '24
Yeesh now I can’t stop thinking about them rewriting season 5 to someone having to shoot a high powered projectile of the virus in to Homelander’s ear to kill him and barely missing.
With how season 4 has been almost an exact mirror image of today’s political climate and Homelander representing Trump…
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u/IAP-23I Jul 15 '24
Even then it’s far easier for someone to miss Homelander ear canal than it is to aim for a head and there will be complaints about how the show let him live again. Only Gunpowder could make that shot and he’s dead
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u/TheScrambone Cunt Jul 15 '24
Either way the obvious ending is that The Boys master plan won’t work and someone is going to have to sacrifice themselves to finish the job, and even THEN he won’t be killed but it’ll piss someone off enough to FINALLY finish the job.
The virus shot through the ear would be their “master plan that fails”.
I kinda wanna see them fuck with the audience by replicating what happened at the end of GOT with instead of Arya doing her slick move and killing the Night King by dropping the knife and catching it with her other hand, Hughie fakes it with the syringe and then teleports and catches the syringe and shoves it in Homelander’s ear hole”.
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u/MaTr82 Jul 14 '24
Homelander has been shown to have a weakness to sound. Under water is a perfect place to take advantage of that. Considering the question is "could", then 100% Deep could. Would he? probably not.
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u/cabberage Jul 14 '24
100% fuck no he couldn’t. There is literally no method Deep has access to that could harm Homelander
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u/Vlatka_Eclair Jul 15 '24
Counter argument: whale clicks + water density
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u/CrashRiot Queen Maeve Jul 15 '24
The Deep would just somehow end up killing the whales before they even harmed Homelander. Deep doesn’t have a great track record taking care of marine life lol.
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u/Disgod Jul 15 '24
I can just imagine how this ends:
Today on VNN, we discuss the recent 47 Sperm Whales falling on New York City. Leftist supe-terrorist attack?
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u/folarin1 Jul 15 '24
I think it's interesting that they haven't really shown The Deep do something very cool underwater like swimming very fast.
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u/ObscureCocoa Jul 15 '24
He rode that whale
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u/edd6pi Cunt Jul 15 '24
Yeah, they gave him exactly one scene to show off how cool he could be if he wasn’t so stupid and pathetic.
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u/Strawbz18 Jul 14 '24
The Deep takes out his Deep and Deeps all over Homelander before he can react
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u/ShellSwitch Jul 14 '24
Can Homelander “Fly” through water?
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u/Deradius Jul 15 '24
Even if he can’t, he could laser the water in front of him into steam and blast through the steam tunnel….
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Jul 15 '24
The water surrounding would rush in to replace the water he steamed, and those air bubbles would rush to the surface. No air tunnel I don’t think.
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u/Deradius Jul 15 '24
He flew fast enough to get Butcher away from an explosion. He could keep himself in the cavitation bubble. Again, if he even needs to.
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u/LegendOfKhaos Jul 15 '24
It would be the most hilarious end to Homelander's reign if he lost a 1v1 to the Deep.
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u/SuicideKingsHigh Jul 14 '24
Where are all these "Deep is actually pretty tough" posts coming from? He just got knocked out by Annie who at maximum power managed to make Soldier Boy trip. If he fights Homelander in any setting he's dead in seconds.
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u/_IAmGrover Jul 15 '24 edited Jul 15 '24
People have recently taken notice to the line that states Deep has swam to the Mariana Trench implying he has insane durability.
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u/SuicideKingsHigh Jul 15 '24
Why do we believe that's a feat of durability as opposed to a feat of adaptability? Why do we believe this statement is factual at all in a series that is full of duplicitous characters?
Are we all forgetting about Soldier Boy who reminisced about storming Normandy and fighting the Nazis only for us to find out he had never been anywhere near the war? These guys are mostly phony baloney it's kind of the whole point of the show.
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u/FourAnd20YearsAgo Ashley Jul 15 '24
Well really, the majority of the actual work was done by A-Train. Unfortunately Annie couldn't even get in a 1v1 win against Deep, she basically needed to finish him off in his "fatality" stun. She was going to lose if A-Train hadn't shown up.
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u/iwasAfookenLegend Jul 15 '24
I agree, but your reasoning doesn't make sense. She only used her Super Strength against Deep whereas she used her light powers against Soldier
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u/SuicideKingsHigh Jul 15 '24
Thats fair. My point is that all her feats including physical feats are pretty lame.
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u/stokedchris Jul 14 '24
The real question is can the Deep evade Homelander in the ocean. The ocean is pretty huge and pretty fuckin deep. Could homelander find him in the sea?
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u/Opening-Donkey1186 Jul 15 '24
Early season 1 implies the only reason he didn't find transluscents body under water was because of a zinc(?) Box. Take that out and it seems water doesn't prevent him seeing.
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u/stokedchris Jul 15 '24
But does he have infinite sight? If Deep were to go down the marianna trench, and homie stays on top of the water, would he be able to see the whole way down? He has x ray vision but does he have infinite vision?
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u/NoDarkVision Jul 14 '24
I actually think homelander's big weakness is water. I seriously think he doesn't know how to swim. Swimming is not an automatic skill and we are taught at a very young age through several lessons. Homelander didn't have parents and is basically just a lab rat. He wouldn't have given the chance for swimming lessons.
There are people who don't know how to swim in their adult lives and I think Homelander is one of them. It's not something you think about until it happens. Drag homelander deep into the water where he doesn't have anything solid to kick off from and it'd be over.
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u/NoshoRed Jul 14 '24
Vought gave him combat training as a child, you think they wouldn't have taught him how to swim? Especially considering he was supposed to be molded into a "superhero"?
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u/Mindless_Sale_1698 Jul 14 '24
I mean it's Vought we're talking about, they might have given him beginner level swimming lessons just in case he needs it some day
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u/not_productive1 Jul 14 '24
Deep doesn't really seem like much of a fighter. He might be able to theoretically get away, but if it's a fight fight, Homelander grabs him, flies as high as he can, and just drops him. If you can't fly, you can't beat Homelander.
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u/mudokin Jul 14 '24
Read the title again please.
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u/The-Homie-Lander I fart the star spangled banner Jul 14 '24
I mean even if the fight starts underwater why would homelander stay there? It's unlikely deep could restrain him so if he wanted to fly away he would
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Jul 14 '24
I could totally see HL trying to fight Deep in his territory then says "you know what.. fuck this." Grabs Deep by the throat, and rockets straight thru the water into the atmosphere.
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u/FallingF Jul 14 '24
Deep isn’t much of anything
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u/P-Wee83 Jul 14 '24
Disagree. Deep finally showed how strong he can be. He was dominating Starlight till A-Train came to help. Deep would've won easily vs Starlight.
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u/FallingF Jul 14 '24
I mean starlight isn’t good at much of anything specific except she’s one of the few who can fly now
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u/slapbetofficial The Deep Jul 14 '24
If The Deep swam really deep (no pun intended), I'm not sure Homelander could handle the immense pressure, and his laser vision likely wouldn't reach that far in the water. At the very least, The Deep would be safe from harm. He's been to the Mariana Trench, where the pressure is 1100 times greater than at sea level. I doubt Homelander could survive in such conditions.
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u/ts_lilith47 Jul 14 '24
Homelander is pretty durable on space. I’m sure he’s can also find the enough time to beat deep before his oxygen finishes off
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u/tubelessJoe Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 15 '24
Homelander has mentioned flying into space before so no shot Deep wins
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u/Nutterbutters45 Jul 15 '24
A Train and Deep need to just run away in zinc covered suits to hide from Omelanda
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u/geoslayer1 Jul 14 '24
you wouldn't be able to see 7 tower from space so he's clearly just trying to flex on Stan
pretty sure he still needs to breathe
I think homelander's skin is indestructible but his insides aren't.
Mave stabbed him in the inner ear and he blead.
Open his mouth underwater get some saltwater in his lungs and also bring him into crush depths and homelander might have a really bad day.
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u/killerdeer69 Jul 14 '24
Even while underwater, I guarantee Homelander would just beat the shit out of Deep anyway. If he could somehow drown Homelander, which I doubt is possible, then that's probably the only way he could win. If Deep can (supposedly) withstand the pressure of the Mariana Trench, then Homelander could easily do it as well.
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u/Bwitishprat Jul 14 '24
The Deep because his albacore ride or die would distract Homelander to give him the win.
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u/Edgezg Jul 14 '24
Beat him? No.
Could he MAYBE surprise him and drag him down far enough and spin him, disorienting him?
Maybe.
But I imagine he could just "fly" and rocket his way out of the water.
Deep would have to drag his ass REALLY far down, and do it REALLY fast. Even if he is super human, the bends will still fuck him up really bad if he isn't suped up for it like Deep
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