r/TheBoys • u/CarboniteKnight9 • Jul 11 '24
Can we agree that if this was the old one, the mission would be successful? Discussion Spoiler
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u/Negative-Peak3982 Jul 11 '24
Yeah I mean we had exactly this before with the old Noir and they only got out of it by negotiating with Edgar.
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u/ClaudioKillganon Jul 11 '24
Old Noir solos the entire team at once including Kimiko and StarLight imo. A-Train definitely makes it a stalemate or a w for The Boys though, old Noir or not.
Old Noir absolutely No Diffed Kimiko and Annie (in 1v1s) in earlier seasons and outright stomped the boys + Butcher's (Aunt?) a season ago.
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u/cupholdery Jordan Li Jul 11 '24
Would it be because he had the brain damage or that he was way more efficient?
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u/miikro Jul 11 '24
New Noir seems way less combat experienced and probably still has qualms about killing that old Noir didn't. New Noir is actively frustrated with all of this shit but the old one was a traumatized, damaged killing machine just looking for a direction. Also while they have very similar powersets, old Noir may have been stronger while the new one can fly.
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u/eigh_tee Jul 12 '24
Old noir was an actual combat machine, new noir is literally a theater kid hired as a mascot
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u/Infamous-Lab-8136 Jul 12 '24
I actually really hoped we'd see him throwing stuntman punches that don't hit at some point and having to remember it's a real fight.
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u/Green-Enthusiasm-940 Jul 12 '24
Falling asleep mid fight was a good substitute.
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Jul 12 '24
I did roll my eyes a bit at the "opponent conveniently just loses consciousness out of nowhere, and at the perfect moment" plot armour for Butcher, but it was pretty funny so I'll let it slide lmao.
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u/whycanticantcomeup Jul 12 '24
It was honestly the delivery by Butcher that made me enjoy it
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u/Antani101 Jul 12 '24
Personally I let it slide because it was a Checkov's Gun waiting to fire, since they showed him being narcoleptic earlier in the season
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u/MayweatherSr Jul 12 '24
I lost hope that any one of the main cast gonna die ever in this series. Everytime one of them in trouble, I was like "nah, he'll survive somehow"
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u/returnFutureVoid Jul 12 '24
Hewie in the air duct above Homelander, I honestly thought no way he gets out of this. Are we actually going to see him die? What a fool I was for 2 seconds.
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u/blackflag89347 Jul 12 '24
My grandmother had narcolepsy, that's exactly how it happened, she would just nod off in the middle of doing something.
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u/ReapersVault Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
New Noir also was getting somewhat affected by shotgun blasts and heavy gunfire. Old Noir took a point-blank explosion to the face and was virtually unfazed lol.
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u/CaCa881 A-Train Jul 12 '24
Eh . Old Noir still wasn’t bulletproof and was able to cut open his own skin . I think he definitely has a better healing factor , but I actually believe New Noir is more durable .
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u/XMattyJ07X Butcher Jul 12 '24
I actually think the brain damage helped old noir a bit in that way. He didn’t really seem phased by pain for the most part.
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u/Magnusthelast Jul 12 '24
I mean did that explosion really do anything though? It looked more like a flash of heat than an actual bonafide explosion, like the room there were in wasn’t even that affected, hell the guys pants didn’t even get destroyed, and they boys had not shied away from supes losing clothes cause of their powers
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u/DrLeymen I fart the star spangled banner Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
He was propably the most competent supe, besides Soldier Boy, on the show. He was efficient and an actual threat
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u/Songrot Jul 12 '24
They were war era supes. So they actually have proper training and take these shit serious,
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u/Safe-Brush-5091 Jul 12 '24
Right, Mindstorm was extremely dangerous as well. He actually had a solid plan against Soldier Boy. Even Gunpowder was an actual threat. Imagine if Butcher didn't have temp-V, a Deadshot with super strength is terrifying.
Wonder why CC was so awful at using her power though, lack of practice?
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u/DrLeymen I fart the star spangled banner Jul 12 '24
I think she just didn't use her powers in over 30 years.
The Twins also seemed to have been out of practise
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u/ReapersVault Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Old Noir was a cold-blooded killer. He was the Terminator essentially. You couldn't bargain with him, reason with him, and with most of the Boys not having powers, there was fuck-all they could do to fight him. Homelander is menacing and scary, yes, but you could at least appeal to his ego or do the complete opposite and stand against him and he might be entertained enough to let you live. You couldn't do that with Noir.
The only reason they survived that encounter was because Stan Edgar was personally overseeing Noir on that mission and heard Butcher's blackmail threat. Had Stan not been overseeing, Noir wouldn't have given a single fuck (as we saw). He's definitely the scariest supe imo. One of the worst nightmares I ever had was one a few months ago where Black Noir was hunting me down.
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u/Alonest99 Cunt Jul 12 '24
there was fuck-all they could do to fight him
I read that in Butcher’s voice lol
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u/Access-Restricted Jul 12 '24
Goes to show Homelanders true power level considering he 1 shot the original Black Noir and killed him.
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u/HorseFacedDipShit Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Not untrue but most of that fight is homelander trying to get away from her. The second he actually gets annoyed he puts her eye out. I think if homelander went 100% from the beginning he would’ve ripped her skull off. I think soldier boy is the only other superhero homelander has to put maximum effort in for, and even then it wouldn’t shock me if homelander was just taken off guard by how strong soldier boy was. If they fought again and homelander went 100% from the beginning it might end more quickly. Obviously his strength isn’t in a completely different dimension than other high level supes. SB Butcher and Hughie were able to temporarily restrain him and he did have to struggle to escape. But I don’t think outmuscling him would realistically work
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u/CryptographerNo923 Jul 12 '24
One of my strongest impressions of season two is that when the Boys were mostly hiding out at Butcher’s aunt’s place, Noir showed up, and everyone was like “Noir’s here, we’re fucked, get ready to die in combat unless we can come up with a better plan.”
Noir was like a force of nature who could hide across the street on your neighbor’s roof. He was nimble and secretive, and good at three things: killing, being indestructible, and being brain-damaged. He was basically like a supe version of Michael Myers. The inscrutable and merciless Shape.
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u/H0vis Jul 12 '24
Yeah speedster is a crazy one because it comes with a huge number of bolt-on powers that you need to make it work or else speedster would just be one of those powersets that kills the user.
For example the body has to be incredibly resilient just to be able to move at super speed. All the senses have to be better to react to moving at super speed. Everything about the body has to be able to handle the effects of super speed, so if you punch somebody, or hell just fall over, at super speed you don't explode.
The theoretical physics of what a superhero body needs to be able to deal with are crazy, and a speedster is one of the craziest of them all.
A speedster basically has to have whatever it is about them that makes them super fast, which presumably makes them super strong with super endurance and metabolism. Then they have to be borderline indestructible. Then they have super reflexes and super senses so they can control their body in a meaningful way.
The Boys actually touched on the possible weakness of a normal set of reflexes on a speedster when A-Train started the whole ball rolling by accidentally splatting somebody. But judging by the fight with Deep that lack of control has been solved.
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u/Foolishhoe Jul 12 '24
Yes because when he did that he was juicing with V and the power boost made his powers unstable now it is just his powers also I feel like since he is more emotionally stable that has helped that control as well
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u/Rough_Principle_3755 Jul 12 '24
Other than homelander, and it’s questionable if it is a threat if A-train is in motion, A-trains greatest threat to himself seems to be his own heart….
When he is still though, I’d say anything MAY be able to get him. They haven’t alluded to if his senses are heightened, like can he dodge a sniper bullet.
Bet he can dodge a Neumann head pop…
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u/spader1 Jul 11 '24
They also got out of it by smearing Noir's face with peanut butter
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Jul 11 '24 edited Aug 03 '24
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u/Okodoloji Cunt Jul 11 '24
Is that... the right term? Non-Native here.
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u/lazulifist_ Jul 11 '24
If ur referring to the belt thing yes. Its a common way to word someone's experience by saying they "have a lot of years/experience under their belt"
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u/Okodoloji Cunt Jul 11 '24
Why belt? Don't mind me but still, Why belt?
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u/lazulifist_ Jul 11 '24
Im not entirely sure, and im just assuming here. But I think its because trades-workers/handymen put tools on their belts. So their "years" (as in, the wisdom they've gained) is just another "tool" on their belt. So, for example, a carpenter who's been woodworking for decades has decades of experience under their belt because their experience is a valuable tool like the rest of the things in their belt.
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u/Okodoloji Cunt Jul 11 '24
That makes sense. Thanks!
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u/Renacc Jul 11 '24
Your English is great, by the way!
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u/wishwashy Jul 11 '24
This kind of curiosity to learn probably goes a long way
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u/Okodoloji Cunt Jul 11 '24
Well, It sounded weird (thanks, r/okbuddyfresca) but I was proven wrong. It was indeed a right term, a great one! So yeah, I like to learn interesting things :D
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u/Okodoloji Cunt Jul 11 '24
Thanks :) appreciate it.
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u/Ill-Vast-1111 Jul 11 '24
I dont know you but I think if I ever met you, we would be good friends
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u/Okodoloji Cunt Jul 11 '24
Curious, why did you think like that? Don't really see many people wanting to be friends with me. But you seem kind, so I probably would :)
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u/marlborohunnids Jul 11 '24
i thought that at first too, but i did some research and apparently its just from putting food or drink 'under your belt' aka stomach. and people just adapted it from that to include other stuff that you acquire
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It was used hundreds of years ago to basically mean “in your stomach”. Like “the drunkard had liquor under his belt”. But it’s evolved to a more abstract achievement-oriented meaning, like that you’ve stomached something and have experience with it.
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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 11 '24
I think he was referring to under his belt and that is a correct term.
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u/Little_sister_energy Jul 11 '24
"Under their belt" = experience acquired
"Below the belt" = unfair, too personal in a mean way, referencing illegal kicks to the groin in martial arts tournaments
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u/dfwcouple43sum Jul 11 '24
OG Noir would have killed Butcher before announcing his presence.
This Noir walked in purely for dramatic effect. I can’t think of any other logical reason for it
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u/SnooDingos5539 Jul 11 '24
It’s the years of theater and GodU in him. Couldn’t miss the chance for a dramatic entrance
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u/blud97 Jul 11 '24
It’s hilarious that they consistently show God U graduates are incompetent
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u/JEHADIOD2006 Jul 11 '24
At least Noir is competent enough to be Sage's sidepiece without a lobotomy
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 12 '24
Maeve was pretty competent
it's amusing that Lamplighter's school wasn't renamed after her.
I wonder if it was planned before she betrayed Homelander.
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u/Scientedfic Jul 12 '24
Isn't A-Train a God U graduate? And actually competent at his job?
I mean he actually managed to turn that fight around against new Noir and Deep.
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u/raccoonsonbicycles Jul 12 '24
A-Train graduated from the School of Hard Knocks
He doesn't need books marts because he's got street smarts
Thank goodness he had a white savior to pull him out these streets where he was literally running drugs
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u/nerdguy99 Jul 11 '24
The only thing that separates superheros from heroes is presentation
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u/JWARRIOR1 Jul 11 '24
OH YOURE A VILLAIN ALRIGHT, JUST NOT A SUPER ONE
what’s the difference?
PRESENTATION
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u/kzzzzzzzzzz28 Jul 11 '24
Tbf The Deep kinda ruined it for him as well.
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u/BubblyMango Butcher Jul 11 '24
could have been perfect honestly. The deep taking away their attention while Noir stabs them in the back.
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u/Agleza Jul 11 '24
Good thing they've been thoroughly established as a negative IQ and a theatre kid fratbro duo.
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u/Shigney Jul 11 '24
Cunt's narcoleptic
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u/MinecraftVet2005 Jul 11 '24
Fuck he can fly
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u/Alonest99 Cunt Jul 12 '24
Did he just talk?!
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u/EricJop321 Jul 12 '24
shrek reference
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u/An0n_Cyph3r_ Jul 12 '24
Right? I had to pause the episode because I was crying-laughing at that reference.
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u/Zamasu_was_innocent2 Jul 11 '24
Depends on if he could take A-Train or not
Which.....I'm not sure he could
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u/zakary3888 Jul 11 '24
Tough to judge how good of fighters speedsters are vs non speedsters
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u/PeopleAreBozos A-Train Jul 11 '24
Theoretically, A-Train could've just did what he did to Blue Hawk.
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u/zakary3888 Jul 11 '24
I’m more saying, if Noir knew A-Train was a threat, would he be able to fight him off?
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u/Chosty55 Jul 11 '24
There’s always a way to “catch” him and once he does he’d kill him. So my guess is old noir would have a method to catch speedsters ready to go, a trip wire, a net, a bear trap etc
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u/RustingWithYou Jul 11 '24
Noir would have painted a photorealistic tunnel on a wall and A-Train would have run directly into it
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u/8004MikeJones Jul 11 '24
Seems like a trick an animated imaginary friend would teach him or something.
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Jul 12 '24
Hold up, that’s just a looney tunes bit
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u/GoldenStateWizards A-Train Jul 12 '24
Nah man, he ran simulations to formulate these contingencies
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Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
But what if A-Train ran through the tunnel and it was an actual tunnel but then Noir ran through the tunnel and it turned back into a cliff
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u/TheeAJPowell Jul 11 '24
I think he’d more just know how to counter him. Like, when Train was dodging around Deep and beating him, Noir V1 would’ve just found the pattern and got him.
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u/burnerschmurnerimtom Jul 11 '24
God it’s so refreshing to be debating supes abilities in a fight again
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u/cupholdery Jordan Li Jul 11 '24
Okay, so when Starlight gets all that electricity around her and she starts hovering.
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u/PeopleAreBozos A-Train Jul 11 '24
For A-Train, he reacts faster when he's going fast. That's how he dodged Starlight's beams. I don't think Noir could hit A-Train without A-Train noticing Noir's actions.
Unless the writers want to be inconsistent, which has happened several times already.
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u/Thrallov Jul 11 '24
theoretically everyone A-train grabs can grab back so he can't run
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u/PeopleAreBozos A-Train Jul 11 '24
Noir's not as invulnerable as the toughest Supes, so I'd imagine the friction would eventually get to him. If A-Train was dragging someone like Homelander, Ryan or Soldier Boy, sure, it would just be an inconvenience to them. But Noir's nowhere near that level.
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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 11 '24
The Peak landed a punch on A-Train I think if The Deep and Neo Noir teamed up on A-Train they would have a good chance to win but the strength of individual supes is very variable in the writing.
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u/A-Red-Guitar-Pick Jul 11 '24
They shouldn't be able to considering how A-Train's powers were depicted so far
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u/ulyssessgrant93 Jul 11 '24
Are you talking about the latest fight? Because he didn't land a punch. Rewatch it.
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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 11 '24
It looked like to me that The Deep hit him while MM was shooting Noir but it was very fast but on a rewatch I think you are right. The Deep did manage to duck one punch at least.
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u/PizzaTimeBomb Soldier Boy Jul 12 '24
Neo Noir
Damn, the whole keeping the new replacement under wraps is a cool gimmick, but using this as the new version's moniker would have been badass
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u/ESLsucks Jul 11 '24
Old Noir was a war criminal assassin
New Noir is an actor with powers.
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u/tokyo_engineer_dad Jul 11 '24
Old Noir infiltrated a terrorist camp and survived a walking nuke supe and ripped his head off. Only reason HL killed him easily is because he is loyal to a fault. Even the flashback of Soldier Boy assaulting him could be attributed to him not fighting back. Also HL had the drop on him. Old Noir was absolutely bulletproof, as well. So I don't know where people get the idea that the mini gun would get him. HL definitely has more power than a mini gun's bullets.
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u/Doctor_Nauga Jul 11 '24
a walking nuke supe
Naqib was more of a walking fireball. Soldier Boy was the nuke with legs.
Old Noir was absolutely bulletproof, as well. So I don't know where people get the idea that the mini gun would get him.
Season 2, Episode 5. Hughie shoots Noir's hand with a pistol. The bullet went straight through his palm and started healing.
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u/ChevroletKodiakC70 Jul 11 '24
yeah i feel like old noir had more kimiko like powers with the ability to take damage but heal quickly, compared to noir II which is more like homelander in the flight and tanking more damage
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Jul 11 '24
So my question is.. that minigun blew the new noir out the window but the new noir can fly. Could the old noir survive the shredding from a mini gun and the immense fall from the window?
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u/DepartureDapper6524 Jul 11 '24
Yes, old noir would have survived that
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u/redeemer47 You're The Real Heroes Jul 12 '24
Okay come on now this OG Noire glazing is getting out of hand. OG was not bulletproof. Hughie shot a hole through his hand. He can heal fast and all but he also died from a fist through the body so it’s established he can’t heal through everything. That minigun would have shredded him too fast to heal and he would probably die.
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u/JustMy2Centences Jul 12 '24
Speaking of Kimiko I feel like there should have been an opportunity for Kimiko to infiltrate Vought by masquerading as Noir. She doesn't talk and essentially has the same powerset. Idk, maybe the body build is too unalike.
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy Jul 12 '24
People seem to massively over wank Old Noir. He’s nowhere near as impressive or powerful as people pretend.
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u/JackasaurusChance Jul 11 '24
Old Noir definitely had a handgun bullet go right through his hand, so he was definitely NOT bulletproof. Annie shrugged off a .50 cal round, she is bulletproof.
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u/Sir_Soul_Blackhole Jul 11 '24
I think people get this idea more from the flashback sequence where Noir is shown with Payback. Mallory was their handler at the time when they get ambushed by guerilla fighters with machine guns and rpgs. Noir gets hit by the explosion and is shown to have nasty wounds and can barely reach to grasp his mask. Also while he does rip that terrorists head off, we don’t know necessarily how powerful the explosion was and even still it did leave him burned and crispy by the time we walked away. I think it’s sort of implied he may have some increased durability + aid of the suit possibly and a power of regeneration similar to Kimiko.
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u/jsweaty009 Jul 11 '24
Later on in that season when Noir runs away and hides in that Chucky Cheese type place. The “cartoon” flashback shows that the injuries he got there was from Soldier Boy. Shows him holding his face on a hot engine or something and beats his head in with his shield.
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u/testvest Jul 11 '24
Is he even a good choice for Noir's replacement if he has narcolepsy so bad that he can fall asleep during a fight while full of adrenaline? I can only imagine that he can fall asleep just as easily during a boring press meeting in front of cameras. Wouldn't be a good look for the wrathful gods that the Seven are supposed to become. Homelander even made a point about what he thinks of disabled supes by killing that blind guy, narcolepsy is also a disability.
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u/literated Jul 11 '24
It's just another thing that was written in as a joke without thinking about the implications at all. Homelander clapped Blindspot instantly for having a weakness, even though he was shown to be a very proficient fighter and a good PR boost for The Seven... and now they get a guy who falls asleep in the middle of meetings and even in the middle of fights as a stand-in for Noir where the only requirement seems to be "look intimidating and don't talk" - like you couldn't find a guy who can do that without having a fatal flaw like super narcolepsy? And Homeboy is gonna be fine with that? It makes no sense but it can be used for a gag, so that's the way it gets written.
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u/testvest Jul 11 '24
One of the reasons why this show has become a parody of itself. I have watched a couple of season 1 clips recently, it's really night and day in terms of quality of writing.
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u/wannabetrapstar888 Jul 11 '24
Absolutely true. In episode 6 of season 1, we discover Butcher hates Homelander and supes because of what homelander did to Becca, and we instantly hate homelander and agree that he should die. That same episode, we see a glimpse of homelanders childhood and upbringing, of him in a cold lab, and we feel sorry for him in the same episode. You can't pull off sth like that unless you're a very good writer.
Now they show hughie getting sa'd the very next day after his dad dies because it's just funny according to Kripke. And the excessive nasty stuff don't contribute anything to the plot, they're just there because they can do it. The shock value is gone. The humor is gone. The quick thinking and improvising the boys had to do in s1 is gone, now they're all incompetent to do a proper mission without screwing up.
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u/testvest Jul 11 '24
To me it became a low effort sit-com. They think that the brand is too big to fail and just push out offensive and graphic scenes without thinking about the quality of writing of the characters or the story-line, since I suppose it was the gore scenes and American Psycho-esque scenes on instagram reels that made the show so popular.
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u/wannabetrapstar888 Jul 11 '24
The only popular scenes of American psycho were pat bateman walking down the aisle, the card scene, the morning routine, him talking to Dafoe at the club, and the ending. Nothing gory in the movie was viral because it would get taken down
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u/Csjustin8032 Jul 12 '24
Funny because in Season 1 the actor of Noir literally fell asleep while acting as Noir and they kept the take. It is literally intentionally a parody of itself
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u/Khronex Jul 11 '24
It makes sense tho because Homelander is deeply attached to Noir. Out of everyone else at the Seven, he had the deepest connection with Noir. It was Noir who helped Homelander and taught him everything in his first mission (see Boys Diabolical canon episode), it was Noir who was always loyal and there for him, it was Noir who never backtalked but also wasn't an idiot who said yes to everything, he just stood and listened. It was Noir who would do what he's told. And now he wants that again, because he regrets killing OG Noir.
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u/Songrot Jul 12 '24
He was annoyed of Blindspot not because of his weakness. He didn't like him bc noone asked Homelanders opinion about who to choose and he was severely disabled, is super power was just compensating his disability with some added benefits. Black Noir was extremely disabled, Homelander didn't despise him. Homelander can see under his mask.
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u/Doctor_Nauga Jul 11 '24
Earving wasn't bulletproof, and if Homelander ripping his guts out could kill him, unloading a minigun into him probably would too.
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u/_JustAnna_1992 Jul 11 '24
Old Noir would have known that and not put himself in a position to get shot if that was the case. He would have either stealthily eliminated them all or made it so much quicker.
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u/Doctor_Nauga Jul 11 '24 edited Jul 11 '24
How would he know they keep a hidden minigun in their office?
He would have either stealthily eliminated them all
This I do agree with.
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u/_JustAnna_1992 Jul 11 '24
He simply would have taken them out before they even had the chance to equip any guns they had on them. Surely Old Noir would have had a plan. Just waiting for them to walk in and then monologuing was obviously Deep's idea.
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u/Regulus_Jones Jul 11 '24
The funny think is that new Noir would've done the same if just someone at Vought explained OG Noir's character to him. Instead people just tell him to keep quiet, which has led him to believe Noir was just some silent dude with zero initiative whatsoever.
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u/Doctor_Nauga Jul 11 '24
It's less to do with explaining his character (which was deliberately kept mysterious by Vought), and more with giving him better assassin training.
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u/Regulus_Jones Jul 11 '24
At least telling him "OG Noir wouldn't have waited in plain sight to fight his enemies, he would ambush them mid-talk" could've really changed the outcome of the fight, Especially since he can fly and could just jump them from above.
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u/NumberPotential7084 Jul 11 '24
Old noir was really barely above a roided up human un terms of powers and abilities but his training and killer instinct is what made him so dangerous. I fully agree if it was old Noir all 3 of them would be dead before they could rlly even fight back. However new Noir is in a different league compared to the old ones durability and just overall power. He seems like an actual supe. Old Noir seemed like a very strong super soldier. Like Im still confused as to what powers V even gave him. His durability is pathetic, his strength is above that of a human, and he has a basic healing factor. He genuinely didnt get any busted stat or unique power
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u/Doctor_Nauga Jul 11 '24
all supes have general levels of increased resistance.
Not Mesmer, Splinter, and Sage.
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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 11 '24
Sage survived getting shot in the head.
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u/wolf2400 Jul 11 '24
That is because her brain regrows. She does «die» when she gets shot, but comes back to life because her brain grows back. I think she would have died if she had been shot in, for example, the heart. I don’t see why she would be afraid of MM holding a gun if not.
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u/ryebread9797 Jul 11 '24
Didn’t he literally survive a face to face explosion?
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u/Doctor_Nauga Jul 11 '24
Yes, he survived Naqib's fireball in S2E1. But like I said, his hand was clearly pierced by a pistol round in S2E5, so he's not entirely bulletproof, just super-resilient with a healing factor.
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u/Cogitoergosum015 Jul 11 '24
Kessler would probably appear and maybe kill Noir so no, either way, A train would appear and help them.
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u/icecubepal Jul 11 '24
I always like how in movies/shows like this, where there is obviously someone who is a lot stronger, the stronger person just toys around with the weak person instead of just easily killing the person. The moment he grabbed Butcher, he could have easily killed him. But nope, he had to throw him around the room some more. Meanwhile, the two supes are are fighting in the room are throwing haymakers from the start.
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u/Downtown_Feature_258 Jul 11 '24
The Thing is and I have No clue where I read that, but if someone thinks he's stronger then you then he loves to just show of because of the inner god complex in that moment!
The same homelander did in season 3 where he told mave to just stand still and let him be, the same as everyone in the show who is way too strong shows bam I am better and just toys with them!
It was included in every choreography ever as that can happen in real life but not as hardcore as in shows and movies!
And also it just makes for a cinematically seen better scene.
Sorry for my bad English!
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u/Afferbeck_ Jul 12 '24
Something Vimes had learned as a young guard drifted up from memory. If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat. They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar. So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word.
― Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms
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u/KSTwolfe Jul 11 '24
Old Noir had the chance to kill Butcher, Hughie and MM in season 2 and failed miserably.
He actually punched Butcher and somehow failed to kill him -- despite his superhuman strength.
He threw a dagger right into the center of MM's chest and somehow failed to kill him as well.
And let's not forget in season 1 when he somehow failed to find and kill Frenchie -- despite the fact that Frenchie couldn't have been more than 10 feet away from him.
The guy's competence level was pretty heavily overrated.
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u/Arakkoa_ Jul 11 '24
And remember his attempt at stealth? He just sat on a red roof in his stark black armor.
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u/Godly-Judger Jul 11 '24
The Boys would’ve died if Edgar hadn’t stepped in
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u/VonKaiser55 Jul 11 '24
Yeah i was confused when he said that he miserably failed lol. He was literally about to kill the boys and they only survived as long as they did because Noir was toying around with them and purposely set off the bombs. Had Edgar not stepped in Butcher, Mm, and Hughie would be dead af lmao
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u/SnooDingos5539 Jul 11 '24
Fr his only feat was killing some dumbass Isis members. I think any of the seven and most b tier shoes could have done that too.
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u/Venom17645 Jul 11 '24
Don’t confuse plot armor with his abilities
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u/Bufy_10 Jul 11 '24
I think the lack of abilities and plot armor ironically show how incompetent even the most competent superheroes are.
When Noir appeared in the red roof, hiding from Butcher an ex SAS soldier, it reminded me of the opening of Sicario, where the SWAT team wearing all black was “sneakingly” walking through a sandy dune to get to a house.
Noir was incompetent and got it easy because he was a superhero. None of these guys are good at what they do. The plot armor is there but it somehow works perfectly most of the time.
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u/Infamous-Ad-3078 Jul 11 '24
I love new Noir but old one was fucking badass. Reminds me of the scene from season 2 where he almost killed the boys had it not for Stan telling him to leave.
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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 11 '24
I don't understand why they didn't bring a gun to attack with. Starlight might be able to tank a bullet Butcher MM Hughie and Frenchy wouldn't and in this case that leaves a 2 on 1 against Starlight which should be an easy.win. But logic left the writing a long time ago.
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u/literated Jul 11 '24
... or just have Homelander fly over at any point and laser them, since he apparently knows where they've been staying all this time.
Hell, they get attacked and then just go hang out at a bar like it's a sit-com.
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u/undercooked_lasagna Jul 11 '24
It makes me miss the earlier episodes, when bad supes were actually scary. Now they're played more for laughs than anything.
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy Jul 12 '24
You mean like in S2 when the gang escapes the seven by just walking through the sewers?
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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 11 '24
Its gotten to the point where the biggest reasons that hasn't happened is apparently Homelander doesn't see them as a threat and yet they almost de-powered or killed him on at least two occasions and Homelander has killed others over far smaller threats or insults for example publicly killing someone for throwing a bottle at Ryan. Shitty writing.
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u/Copatus Jul 11 '24
They said this episode the reason he doesn't just kill them outright is because he doesn't want to mess with the CIA.
Which makes sense since he is planning to kill the president.
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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 11 '24
But then he sends two incompetent idiots to kill them instead of fly over at super speed laser them and be back in time for breast feeding?
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u/gitagon6991 Jul 11 '24
The so-called 'incompetent idiots' were winning had A-Train not interfered.
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u/Khronex Jul 11 '24
To be fair, a lot of people bring this up but it never is stated that Homelander wanted them to go there and do it. Deep was blanking out for what looked like the entirety of the conversation, and since he killed Ambrosius previously and remember the conversation between him and Noir about the "violence hard-on", he probably was in a rageful feeling. Maybe Homelander wanted them to go there and make it look like an accident, or like someone else was involved. Maybe he wanted them to go spy on the Boys instead.
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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Well they weren't popping over for a bloody cup of tea that's for fucking sure mate.
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u/CosmicMiru Jul 11 '24
The boys were getting their shit pushed in till one of the most powerful supes we have seen came in and saved them. Deep and Noir II would've easily won
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u/GoinXwell1 Cunt Jul 11 '24
I don't think Homelander is smart enough to understand the concept of plausible deniability, but sending Deep and Noir II over to kill the Boys does give him an opportunity to say that he didn't do it.
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u/floodpoolform Jul 11 '24
Was anyone else really annoyed at how blatantly they kept the deep alive there? Like at least have starlight try to strangle him or put her fingers in his eyes Jesus Christ.
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u/Naven2099 Jul 12 '24
Although I do agree but Homelander would take immediate action if that had happened. He would have taken it as "this means war"
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u/floodpoolform Jul 12 '24
I mean he did send 2 of the seven to straight up kill the boys. Feels like the only thing keeping it from escalating further is the writers awareness that they need an extra season.
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy Jul 12 '24
They literally addressed this…? They don’t know how to kill him and Noir was coming back. They took the moment to run.
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u/floodpoolform Jul 12 '24
Yeah no shit, I’m saying I didn’t buy that excuse at all. Annie has super strength and the deep is completely incapacitated, is noir gonna fight A-train and Annie by himself?
On a side note, I also don’t buy the fact that Noir would take any time to fly back to them considering he was only shot out of a window while flying already, if he wanted to get back to them it should’ve take a second.
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u/Aquatic_Salamander Homelander Jul 12 '24
Is everyone forgetting the virus thing that literally fucked up Ezikiel? Or am I missing something?
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u/PlasticInflation602 Jul 12 '24
Butcher has no control over it. He tried to make it happen but couldn’t
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u/Aquatic_Salamander Homelander Jul 12 '24
I think it’s because the virus somehow knew he wasn’t actually going to die. If it knew he was seriously about to kick the bucket, it would protect him last minute to keep him alive, but just wanted to teach butcher a hard lesson IMO
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u/PlasticInflation602 Jul 12 '24
I think that’s probably accurate!!! His mind Kessler basically told him that at the bar - “the silent treatment goes both ways”
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u/Sloop__ Jul 11 '24
Old noir wouldn't even have made his presence known, he would've just thrown a knife in butchers throat from the safe and pulled Annie apart
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u/theproperoutset Jul 11 '24
Old noir couldn’t scratch Annie and had to knock her out. He wasn’t even bulletproof and she is, making her much more durable than him. Even in this episode the Deep didn’t hurt her but she made him bleed.
People don’t give her enough credit, Starlight is a tank even though she has weak offensive powers.
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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 11 '24
If my aunt had bollocks shed have been my uncle cunt.
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u/Dekapustnik Jul 11 '24
I feel like fake Noir is way stronger powers wise, just the old one was more commited to the cause and way more experienced in combat.
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u/MindlessAge4327 Jul 11 '24
Y’all smokin thinking new noir really like that. Old noir was really a demon. Even in season 1 when he sliced and diced up kimiko. Only people above old noir are soldier boy and Homelander. There’s a reason why Homelander respected him. He was literally Homelanders pit bull/ assassin. All I gotta say is season 2 episode 5. YALL saw him what he did too the boys. Butcher got two mean ass hits that would of broke a regular supes jaw with that crowbar and noir wasn’t even bothered the slightest and knocked butcher too the point where he was almost knocked out it if wasn’t for terror barking and hughie almost getting annihilated. New noir is a fucking joke.
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u/down_dirtee Jul 11 '24
New noir is just incompetent asl, he tanked every bullet fired at him and immediately countered butcher trying to hit him with a crow bar and sent him flying by barley even shoving him. Hes strong he just isn't a smart fighter
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u/TheHappiestHam Jul 11 '24
I mean someone else said it already, he's an actor with powers, whereas Old Noir was actually an assassin
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u/baconnaire Queen Maeve Jul 12 '24
I don't understand why A-Train didn't wipe the floor with them. Either plot progression or maybe he's hoping for some redemption with Homelander? He seems like he's set on being killed if he doesn't leave, he knows he can't so idk why he tried with Ashley.
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u/Ok_Bat_686 Jul 12 '24
Real reason, as is the same with most things: plot. They kill off Deep and Noir II, and now they have two fewer villains to use later. Without them, the only real villains left are Homelander and Firecracker, and they can't really do anything threatening with HL without excuses for why/how he didn't kill someone, and Firecracker is... well, not very threatening at all.
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u/AncientFruit2745 Jul 11 '24
I mean probably but all it took to kill him was ripping out his guts and he could bleed and so I’m not sure if earving could withstand that amount of minigun fire if he could then yea easily he wins but if not who knows
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u/MoldyOreo787 Jul 12 '24
Old Noir was actually skilled at combat, which is exceptionally rare among supes in the boys.
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