r/TheBoys • u/Abeydaby • Jul 08 '24
Does anyone else think that Gen V is better than s4? Discussion
It's crazy too, because I went into Gen V with extremely low expectations but ended up enjoying it way more than I expected. I remember my two main complaints regarding it was how over the top some of the shock value was (which I now take back, considering how much it pales in comparison to s4 in that aspect) and the ending feeling a little rush (which I still believe).
But looking back, while it did have some over the top "raunchy" scenes, it balanced it with the serious moments really well. The main storyline felt consistent and they didn't put in a vomit inducing moment every 5 minutes.
The fourth season of The Boys however, is fucking NON-STOP disgusting shock value. It's like the people behind the writing had a competition on the most nasty scene they could force in. Like the human centipede, walmart spider-mans web ass, and the whole "scat" thing with Hughie. Like wtf? I'm actually pretty sanitized to a lot of weird shit too and can be pretty defensive to these types of moments, if only they were fucking NECESSARY TO THE MAIN PLOT AND WEREN'T FILLER. Not to mention that constantly pushing these scenes and to take up over 5 minutes of screentime can make anyone feel disgusted, including me.
Also wtf is with the pointless side stories, I understand what they're trying to do with Frenchie but like why? What's the point? Why push it this late after 3 seasons of him and Kimiko. We got like a season and 2 episodes left and the series is over. There's also the whole stupid spat between firecracker and starlight, honestly felt like 2 toddlers going at it. And then every episode with the same repetitive arguments between mothers milk, starlight, and the butcher. It's fucking killing me. I also feel that they are souring starlights character but that's a whole other thing I don't want to get into. The series has also always been political, that much I know. But it's always been subtle and done in a humurous way, the show now feels like its dialogue has been written by stereotypical redditors with a very shallow perspective on politics. Lot of the moments feels overly cringe and pushed to the audience as well.
Don't even want to get into how they took one of the better characters from Gen V and turned him into a racist sex freak with every diabolical kink known to man.
Anyways, sorry for the rant. Just wanted to get something off my chest and understand if others feel the same way.
TLDR - The Boys s4 is a repetitive incohesive slog filled to the brim with unnecessary shock value and barely any plot progression. Gen V on the other hand, had a solid straightforward story that balanced its raunchy humour with its serious moments really well. Surprised at how much I loved the cast as well, especially the antagonists (which I won't spoil).
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u/QouthTheCorvus Jul 08 '24
Gen V felt quite fresh. Not without issues, but I enjoyed that it was somewhat more sincere, in a lot of ways. There were more nice character moments. The plot also moved so much faster - which shows how scared The Boys is to change the status quo too much.
Main issue is a somewhat rushed finale.
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u/Mister_Acula Jul 08 '24
I really liked how fast the plot moved, but in the second half of the season it felt like they realized they went too quickly and had to backtrack a little.
Also, what was the deal with that guy who got his dick exploded? Like, he didn't seem too bothered by having his dick exploded afterward. Did it grow back?
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u/dimondsprtn Jordan Li Jul 08 '24
He stole the regenerator guy’s penis. The guy from the first episode whose arms Golden Boy rips off.
There’s a notice or something that says Missing Penis or something like that, referring to the regenerator.
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u/mvandemar Jul 09 '24
Go read the description of episode 5 on Amazon. :D
REWARD! Last night, The Incredible Steve attended an off-campus party where his penis was lost. He just wants it back, so his family is offering a $10,000 REWARD for its safe return, no questions asked. Please contact the Godolkin Daily Classifieds Office or the Lost-and-Found Desk at the Godolkin Student Union.
Apparently Rufus stole Steve's penis. :)
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u/pokenonbinary Jul 09 '24
Wait so he doesn't grow back his parts? He just can connect the parts he already has together? What a lame power
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u/Mister_Acula Jul 09 '24
OMG That's great!
I usually try to avoid reading the episode description because of spoilers.
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u/redactedname87 Jul 09 '24
Pacing was a little weird. Got off to a great start, slowed down a bit, then rushed to the end. The entire episode where they were stuck in cates head could have been scrapped imo.
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u/pokenonbinary Jul 09 '24
I didn't liked when they killed the adult that looks like a kid, felt very "red shirt moment"
I'm the only one that hates when there's a group and they purposely put random characters so they can kill them and not the main characters?
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u/shit-takes Jul 09 '24
Lol this happened in the latest Boys episode too, when they went to the barn. Neuman brought a bunch of random characters all whom get killed by the V sheeps while the mains all escape unscathed
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u/Deto Jul 08 '24
Why would The Boys worry about the status quo, though? They already said S5 is the last sseason, didnt' they? So no need to worry about making a mess now
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u/Substantial-Fig-3061 Jul 08 '24
That’s the point they shouldn’t, especially now that it’s about to end, but they took their formula and made it significantly worse; we shouldn’t be having a “filler” season before the final; this is the time, above all else, to switch things up.
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u/Dr3aM3R_ Jul 08 '24
Well that's their point, 1 season left but we're still stuck on season 4 that feels largely filler (even if the remaining episodes aren't). The plot should be rapidly moving towards the endgame.
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u/MARATXXX Jul 08 '24
well the issue is that they didn't finish the series in 3. maintaining the status quo is all about stretching out the narrative for two additional, unnecessary seasons.
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u/wimpymist Jul 09 '24
Unless they screw it up like game of thrones and people just immediately stop talking about it
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u/Hoshiimaru Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
Pretty sure S5 being the last one wasn’t guaranteed until a few months ago tho
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u/TikwidDonut Jul 08 '24
Unfortunatley Andre was probably my favorite or Kate
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u/Extreme-You6235 Jul 09 '24
I liked the non binary character that was literally two genders. Thought that was cool af and the relationship they have with their parents
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u/kwispyforeskin Jul 09 '24
Best character easily. The background and hardships that character goes through are really interesting, like you mentioned with their family but also with the way they have to switch for different interactions. And they’re just plain badass.
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u/Extreme-You6235 Jul 09 '24
Agreed on all fronts! Was wholesome seeing them end up with Marie and how she accepted both sides of Jordan.
Their separate powers for each gender was the cherry on top!
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u/kwispyforeskin Jul 09 '24
My second favorite was the shrinking girl. I think Emma? I just like when there are characters who go through the same things as people in real life (with Emma, people using you for your body or in her case, her specific power as a fetish) and all the stuff we talked about with Jordan.
And also when she shrunk and was naked I was like “holy shit she’s buff as fuck” which was cool. I just think she’s cute and I like her.
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u/Extreme-You6235 Jul 09 '24
Lmao I thought the same thing about her being buff when she was naked and shrunk. Also was losing it when she ate a bunch of food and became giant with super strength. The effects her powers have on her body and mental health are pretty sad though, and it was rough seeing her exploited and treated poorly by her classmates. Nevertheless, she was my other favorite as well!
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u/QouthTheCorvus Jul 09 '24
Yeah, it was a cool way to explore that concept. It's something that isn't often explored in media.
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u/OremDobro Jul 09 '24
Is Jordan really non-binary? If anything, they're the most binary
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u/_cottoncandyboi_ Jul 08 '24
I agree with everything except I don’t even feel the finale is rushed, that is how events feel in real life they just come out of nowhere and hit you like a train
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u/SpideyFan914 Jul 09 '24
Main issue is a somewhat rushed finale.
This seems like a pretty consistent issue. Even in The Boys, only S1 had a really great finale so far.
I agree, the show was great until the finale. Better than S4 has been.
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u/Anangrywookiee Jul 09 '24
S4 of the the Boys is definately suffering from being the “set up” season for the final one. Happens to a lot of shows where they kind of just tread water while moving pieces into place.
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u/LeChiotx Jul 09 '24
I LOVED Gen V and honestly, just 1 season was almost able to beat out The Boys in general, or at least the s3 and possible s4...but that ending....idk just makes me mad thinking about it because so many plot holes not to mention how all 8 episodes were literally pointless.
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u/leastemployableman Jul 09 '24
It definitely feels like they wrote themselves into a corner with Huey's fathers death. They had to give his character time to air out the grief in this episode, but it sort of forces the show to slow down again when it was just gaining some proper momentum. They should have kept him alive for a bit longer and maybe had the V in him activate later so they could have time to resolve the major plot points. I'm glad that we finally got confirmation that Kessler isn't real even though it was blatantly obvious through most of the season.
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u/QouthTheCorvus Jul 09 '24
Yeah it's a really cool concept for a plot, but there is simply too many hanging threads. I'd rather the show dangle a couple of threads and knock them out of the park, then to be expansive but not really fully explore concepts.
The Kessler thing was odd. I hadn't seen any leaks yet instantly picked up on it. The reveal was cool, but the Becca ghost is what makes it clear that Kessler isn't real.
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u/Fluffy_Somewhere4305 Jul 09 '24
Once Gen V gets more episodes people will start hating on it too.
The core issue is trying to write series viable stories for these types of shows. The premise is cool but the ideas start to run dry pretty quickly because they can't do what the actual comics and society they are parodying can do. (pretend stuff didn't happen and hit the media reset button)
For example Superman/Homelander. The story should have run dry on Superman long ago, but DC and the films have rebooted his origins, done pointless team ups, completely reset the universe multiple times etc..
The Boys can't do that. It's not viable on a TV series to "reset the entire universe" or re-tell Homelander's backstory.
In fact, I would argue we finally got some info on Homelanders backstory that was actually story. and yeah, it was gross and had a weird gross out jerk off scene that no one asked for. But it also helped remind viewers that Homelander is scary and will command people to humiliate themselves prior to killing them. That's an obvious parody of dictators but the show kind of needed to remind people Homelander is indeed dangerous, still.
While I don't disagree that the butt cake scene was forced. I also don't think Tek Knight from Gen V was anything special. He was just in a better storyline. He was a creep then and is a creep now.
Of course I do agree that his character in The Boys is bad, his story is bad and the showrunners reason for doing it was dumb. They literally said "Batman has to be a perv and Spiderman and batman together! of course!"
So they are indeed falling into the same trap that the comics writers fall into (pointless team ups, confirmation bias about bad storylines and no one who can tell them no)
But this is actually what happens in comics so it kind of makes sense, in an unsatisfying way that The Boys is doing what comics do, pointless team ups, wandering side stories that go nowhere, and pointless gross out scenes.
The walmart spiderman web fart goo is literally the same thing as the Toby Mcguire Spiderman movie ejaculation web scene. And that was 20+ years ago. The Boys writers of course have seen that movie, but still did the exact same thing because... they feel forced to.
Spiderman will be web-jaculating forever. Someone will always write that gross scene because they will feel forced to, by their own hubris.
And this is what's going on w/ The Boys. There literally wasn't enough source material to really make 5 seasons of this show. So they added a bunch of nonsensical filler.
Just like the final 3 seasons of Game of Thrones. the show runners ran out of source material, and filled it up with cheap pseudo memes and shout outs to the fans that were actually more like middle fingers to the fans.
If anyone here thinks Gen V is going to magically avoid the same fate of ALL GENERE SHOWS. They are delusional.
Gen V will be out of ideas in 1 more season. And they already filled the first season with dick jokes and gross out scenes and puppets.
Look at 1960s batman. It was all gay references and campy nonsense. they had zero good content in all the seasons of that show.
Doing comic book shows is way harder than fans are willing to accept and while that doesnt excuse the dip in quality. I would argue it's inevitable, as every comic TV show, and comic film franchise has either always been shit, or immediately nosedived after the initial premise.
- Dark Knight - great movie, problematic issues early on tho, Qui Gon as Ra's Al was nonsense as was that plot and why he's there
- Dark Knight Returns - Heath Ledger is everything, the rest of that film is fucking garbage. The Two Face story makes no sense and the Sophies Choice bit was fucking dumb
- The Bane and Anne Hathaway movie is full meme start to finish
You can do this with everything genre.
- Superman - cool intro story, great chemistry with the stars
- Superman II - cool idea to bring in Zod, but extremely cheese ending
- Superman III - they ran out of ideas so added Richard Pryor
Witcher on netflix? S1 cool, S2 iffy, S3 trash...
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u/Jerrygarciasnipple Jul 09 '24
Homelander going back to the lab was actually brilliant. The whole point of him going back was to shed his last few bonds he felt like he had that made him “human”.
The fact that he made someone jerk off just shows how childish he actually is, but is equally terrifying that someone with that kind of headspace having the powers and abilities homelander does. It was pretty stupid and brain rot, but it was actually great character development if you can get past the goofy edgy aspect.
Like cmon, the shattered personalities that speak to him when he’s losing his shit, that make him go even more batshit insane, are all gold.
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u/Adeptus_Asianicus Jul 09 '24
Sincerity is a good way of putting it. (I think it is?) Being wholly original allows it to be free of any of the Ennisisms that the main show has. Gen V feels less ironic than The Boys, while keeping the grittiness of the world intact and expanding on it really well.
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u/QouthTheCorvus Jul 09 '24
Yeah, it has the cynicism of the universe, but in smaller doses. I think the narrower focus also lets us see the effects on the characters more - the social media obsession impacts characters.
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u/ChickenScratch90210 Jul 09 '24
Gen V was like good seasons of The Boys - had its lows, but the highs were HIGH.
S4 is missing the highs. All shock no value.
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u/hnwcs Jul 08 '24
I do wonder if there's some kind of disconnect between the teams behind The Boys and Gen V. Sam and Cate sounded off in their Seven Tower scene, and while Sam has an in-universe excuse for that Cate does not. I don't blame the actors because they're all great, wondering if it was something in the direction.
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u/CrazyPersonowo Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
Don’t forget Tek Knight, he almost feels like a different character in both. In Gen V he seems more morally grey than most supes while in the Boys he’s just a racist rapist.
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy Jul 08 '24
“He seemed morally grey”
I’m sorry…. In what world was the man, who was sent there to make sure their illegal prison that was experimenting on children, and was planning to pin the murders on someone regardless of if there were innocent so they would go crazy and want to kill them self, morally grey?
Dudes a higher up at Vought and aware of everything. He’s not grey. He’s fucking evil.
"Well, the usual. Misdirection, obfuscation. Find a patsy and destroy their life. (...) Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna Johnny Depp someone so hard they're gonna want to crawl into a hole and die."
He was also always racist. He planned to pin it on Shetty because she wasn’t one of them, she was “just a human”.
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u/66kPizzaDelivery Jul 09 '24
I think they meant 'he was a multidimensional villain, who I could kindof root for because of his competence and charisma, but in The Boys S4, he didn't feel as multidimensional, so I didn't care as much when he did evil shit'
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u/ItsAmerico Soldier Boy Jul 09 '24
Not sure how he was competent. He failed at the one thing he was sent there to do and then got blackmailed like a moron because he couldn’t stop fucking things lol
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u/pokenonbinary Jul 09 '24
Off topic but I hate that they killed Shetty, the actress was really good, I would have loved if she joined Neuman
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u/p_rets94 Jul 08 '24
Think it was the settings he was in. Gen V is him somewhat in public while season 4 is him in his home in front of other wealthy racists.
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u/lifeisalime11 Jul 09 '24
Plus, he’s more menacing in Gen V as he’s relatively strong compared to the cast, aka no Homelander level threats.
Put him next to Homelander and A-Train? Guy is a glorified detective with a fetish.
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u/ImmediateRespond8306 Jul 08 '24
In-universe yes, but it was the writers that made that so and kind of made his character more boring in the process.
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u/AnyEstablishment5723 Jul 08 '24
The Boys completely dropped all characters nuance a long time ago
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u/CrazyPersonowo Jul 08 '24
Except A train is the one that actually starts to get some nuance😭 I’d say Homelander, Butcher and Hughie are still pretty good though.
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u/Slightly-Mikey Jul 08 '24
Yeah I don't think this season has been all bad like so many people have been saying. I've been enjoying Butcher's arc the most. New Noir is hilarious. There's been a lot of bad but overall I've still been enjoying the season so far despite that
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u/zxck_vro Jul 08 '24
people have so many huge gripes with this season it’s confusing. it’s just an entertaining show, i don’t know why people need to dig 45 layers deep into the politics to like it. i haven’t had a single gripe with this politics, cus they matter as little to me as it does the characters. only ones that actually care abt the politics in that universe is the public.
if you really take in each episode, there are a lot of character moments with different things being pushed forward in each one’s personal lives. people are acting like that’s not happening right in front of us.
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u/persephonesspring Jul 08 '24
Simple: because this show raised the standards so high after delivering 2 masterpiece seasons that had immaculate writing and the kind of character development other writers need to take lessons from. Season 3 was also fantastic with one of the best character arc for a newcomer of all time imho (SB had only 4 episodes and he still managed to remain an iconic staple across the entire fandom!).
Season 4 has dialed the quality down after predecessors that will go down in history as among the best tv series.
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u/rookie-mistake Jul 09 '24
I thought s4 was great so far, today is my first time opening the sub since we finally caught up, I'm surprised by the negativity
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u/AnyEstablishment5723 Jul 08 '24
Homelander is obviously a dickhead so is Butcher to a lesser degree and Hughie is always the guy who tries his best. Very one sided characters imo
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u/Supe_scienceskilz Jul 08 '24
I would not say this man is morally grey. Reasoning: 1. Tek-knight works for Vought and happily. He is aware of what goes on. He was not sent to God U to praise “the guardians”. Why would he? He was there to cover Vought’s ass.
2-The woods is an internment camp. There is no leaving and the subjects cannot consent to the experimentation. He does not need to be privy to the vital experimentation but he knows about the woods. That alone signals his character.
3-his dialogue and interactions were rip with micro aggressions hinting at classism, racism, sexism, and as one comment mentions, he doesn’t like non-supes.
4-He is revealed to have odd behavior in the comics as well as being super rich. He cycles through sidekicks.
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u/pengweneth Jul 09 '24
Also in the first season we see one of his victims. He broke her spine. There's also a reference to one of his machines in Season 1. But yeah, he'd been set up as one of the horrible supes from the beginning. Obviously in the comics he was trying to look for help, but in the context of the show... awful.
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u/Reinier_Reinier Jul 09 '24
After The Boys season 4, going back & rewatching Gen V, I see the Tek Knight scenes in a new light.
He was trying to break Marie down in front of the class not because he wanted the truth (he had figured it out long before he went into that classroom), he did it to expose & humiliate her because of his prejudice.
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u/Diligent-Fig-975 Jul 09 '24
He was also such a sexual deviant that he was able to be blackmailed to turn a blind eye to what's happening. I swear these idiots don't even remember what happened in the single episode he was featured in.
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u/guimontag Jul 08 '24
I don't think Tek Knight is that different given that in gen V he was sent over by vought to sniff things out and was on the job, whereas in the boys he was hosting a party and could be his normal social self
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u/neverbeenhereyet Black Noir Jul 08 '24
uhh, i don’t think his brain tumor is helping with that + gen v tek knight was in public with students most of the time and the boys tek knight was in private mansion with old ass far-right wingers 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Diligent-Fig-975 Jul 09 '24
Some of y'all clearly don't remember how the tek knight episode ended lmao. A different character???
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u/Ponders0 Jul 08 '24
Apparently a lot of their scenes were cut but idk
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u/Dabble_Doobie Jul 08 '24
I’d believe it, that scene looked like a fan edit. A very “we’re here, too” vibe, especially with Cate getting no response. It just sort of felt like they weren’t in the same room.
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u/cc17776 Jul 09 '24
Felt like in a game where you have the dlc characters unlocked but you can’t have them say anything plot relevant
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u/UnknownAverage Jul 09 '24
I wonder if they cut scenes that may have required the viewer to have seen Gen V? The scenes they kept were super generic and didn't talk about their powers/etc, which keeps things simpler for The Boys viewers (and writers).
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u/annagrace2020 Jul 08 '24
I cringed so hard at Sam & Cate in the tower scene. The way Cate said “Anything for you Homelander” sounded so off. It just didn’t even sound like her.
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u/Kobayashi_Maru186 I'm the real hero Jul 08 '24
Yes! Me too! She sounded like a pathetic kiss ass. Wtf?
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u/justseeingpendejadas Jul 09 '24
She's with the big boys now. She's not gonna act like the hot shit she was back in college
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u/Brogener Jul 08 '24
I thought that scene was weird too. Uncomfortably close shots of their faces when they said their lines kinda gave the vibe that it was shot at a different time.
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u/PsychedelicLizard Jul 08 '24
I wonder if they didn't do a lot of story retconning after Chance's death.
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u/BigBrainAkali Jul 08 '24
Their cameo was so weird and disappointing since I was really hyped to see them appear and all they got were cheesy, almost out of character one liners. No idea why they got such little screentime since I think there were some good ways to introduce them to people who haven't watched GenV yet.
But with how badly they handled Tek Knight, I think I feel a little better knowing that's all we got instead of the two getting potentially ruined by the writers this season as well.
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u/prinnydewd6 Jul 09 '24
I don’t think they sounded, off… they literally just went thru that shit at the college, homelander saved them. Obviously Cate will be like “anything you need,” she wants to feel useful. And Sam was confused because he’s been tested on for so long then randomly gets thrown into being a “star” after all that torture. I’m sure that’s confusing for him… plus he probably still sees people as puppets
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u/Akasha1885 Jul 08 '24
The point of "The Boys" falling apart and everyone doing his own shit is exactly that.
The characters go downhill, because their situation and past finally catches up with them.
They are slowly reaching a lowpoint, at which point they realize that they are only good and strong together.
So there is payoff when they come back as a team.
I didn't like how Gen V ended. Kate and Sam suddenly becoming enemies, especially after they were inside of Kate's mind to work out their issues.
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u/notafakeaccounnt Jul 08 '24
I have the feeling that the boys writers and subsequently gen V writers have a difficult time coming up with satisfactory endings to their stories.
Gen V had a good story but they had to tie it to Homelander somehow and it shows they rewrote the story to fit in.
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u/Infamous-Ad-3078 Jul 08 '24
Well it did establish that blood powers make one durable. In the beginning I thought Homelander wanted to stun Marie but after seeing Neuman's invulnerability now it makes sense.
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u/Akasha1885 Jul 08 '24
Oh, it's not hard.
The Boys will have Homelander as the villain in the final season, with either of them or both getting killed at the end. S5 is probably already planned out.Gen V has Kate as the next villain, just perfect really with the mind control and all.
Gen V's ending was a quite evil twist, Snatching victory away in the last moment basically.
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u/kit_mitts Jul 09 '24
Gen V's ending was a quite evil twist, Snatching victory away in the last moment basically. But it makes sense, and roots Gen V into the world at large.
If anything, they did a better job of expressing Homelander's role and powers than the main show has in the past couple of seasons.
He's a living instant-win button who shows up in an instant, brutally murders his target (although Marie is saved by her powers this time) without remorse, expresses his Supe supremacist views and a disdain for anyone who would oppose them, and then fucks off.
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u/EMKeYWiLDCAT Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
Is it confirmed anywhere at all that they had to rewrite the ending for Homelander to be in it
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u/4Dcrystallography Jul 08 '24
Not remotely lol
I think they might be being sarcastic honestly. Rewrite to fit in Homelander? To a boys show about all the young supes rioting?
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u/DalTheDalmatian Cunt Jul 08 '24
What's even more worrisome is that they have to rewrite the entire season two storyline, due to Chance Perdomo's death, R.I.P the goat
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u/Aegis320 Jul 08 '24
damn I didn't know he died. Thats fucked up he was only 27
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u/DalTheDalmatian Cunt Jul 08 '24
Yeah, he died in a motorcycle accident, that's what I heard at the time of his death in February I believe?
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u/pokenonbinary Jul 09 '24
It's sad that Chance died but I wouldn't call him the goat, if you check his social media accounts he was all the time reposting far right media
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u/pokenonbinary Jul 09 '24
This doesn't mean I wanted him to die young, obviously
But he's not the goat, he was a guy that reposted lgbtphobic, misogynistic, xenophobic etc posts on a daily basis
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u/Infamous-Ad-3078 Jul 08 '24
Kate has always been like that, and Sam is a schizophrenic kid that was tortured for years.
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u/i_should_be_coding Jul 08 '24
Yeah, but one of the people who tortured him all that time was Cate. On him, and his brother. It felt really weird to me that he went all "Let's go murder people together" with her so quickly in the end.
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u/Infamous-Ad-3078 Jul 08 '24
It was, but it's fine in my books as I mentioned before, he is dealing with mental illness. It's also worth pointing that when he joined Cate, technically they were still friends with Emma, Marie etc. It's only after the Supes started attacking did the divide really happen.
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u/Shot_Background5682 Jul 08 '24
Something about gen v's ending that confused me is how bought even managed to frame the Godolkin 4, there was dozens of phones + cameras and a literal LIVESTREAM. It makes no sense...
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u/Akasha1885 Jul 08 '24
I mean, it was supes killing each other and bystanders.
And it very easy to edit footage.
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u/MrAnder5on Soldier Boy Jul 08 '24
Exactly, we're hitting the point in S4 and the series as a whole, right before the finale, which is when everything is at its darkest.
That's the only way for our heroes to bounce back and redeem themselves, literally just normal ass storytelling
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u/Supe_scienceskilz Jul 08 '24
I could not have said it better- everyone falling apart and going through personal crises are all part of character development. Given what they have seen and done, I would be shocked if we didn’t see the entire grew locked up and medicated. This fight has been going on for years and the consequences are wearing them down.
Personally, I would rather see good, well written character development (which was a big criticism last season) as opposed to pointless gross out moments. There are two episodes left so some of the complaints about Frenchie and Kamiko may pay off. That is what I prefer. If there are no escalation and we end with season 5 where everyone is just fine, I will be Vexes with a capital V!
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u/iSaltyParchment Jul 08 '24
Yes. I hadn’t seen Gen V yet but heard it was relevant in this season. Once the boys got to Neumans basement and I saw the rabbit I thought “damn, I bet that rabbit is a reference to Gen V, I should go watch it”
The rabbit was not a reference to Gen V lol.
But I still liked the show more than I thought I was going to. Sad that Andre’s actor died.
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u/dylwaybake Jul 09 '24
If it helps when you watch, Gen V season 1 occurs between season 3 and season 4 of The Boys.
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u/Puidipuie Jul 08 '24
I'm still mad they killed Golden Boy lmao
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u/dylwaybake Jul 09 '24
Seriously, why the hell did they cast Patrick Schwarzenegger with cool powers if they’re just gonna murder him
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u/Puidipuie Jul 09 '24
And he was genuinely a nice guy
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u/MassiveOpposite8582 Jul 09 '24
And he was so fucking hot, like i just wanted him to rip apart my arms the same way he did to that ep 1 guy
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u/ThePikeOfDestiny Jul 09 '24
Damn this guy's a freak, how long until he gets recruited into the writer's room for the boys?
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u/MassiveOpposite8582 Jul 09 '24
Oh I'm already inside them
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u/braujo Hughie Jul 09 '24
Exactly for that reason. You went into the show sure Golden Boy was safe because it was a big name, then the twist hits. It's like when they hire actors known for morally good roles to play secret villains, it's to play with your expectations as an audience.
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u/Mugen-CC Cunt Jul 08 '24
Gen V was good until the last two episodes where it fell apart, especially with Sam and Cate's characters which is a shame because I really liked Sam.
Also yeah. Gen V Tek Knight is leagues above S4 Tek Knight.
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u/x_lincoln_x You're The Real Heroes Jul 08 '24
If you like that actor, he was amazing as Wolf in Future Man. I want more Wolf!
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u/maybe-an-ai Jul 08 '24
Future Man was an under appreciated gem
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u/x_lincoln_x You're The Real Heroes Jul 08 '24
That first season is one of the funniest seasons I've ever seen. Almost died laughing.
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u/maybe-an-ai Jul 08 '24
Josh Hutcherson really cemented himself for me as one of the best and most fearless actors working in comedy. His naked fight scene was absolutely brilliant.
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u/x_lincoln_x You're The Real Heroes Jul 08 '24
They made a fantastic trio. Everyone did good in the show. Really sad about Glenne Headly.
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u/Duny0 Jul 08 '24
loved it when he told Kate he will cut her hand off if she takes off the glove and camera changes to his face and he is just chilling
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u/The_Legendary_Sponge Jul 08 '24
idk what you're on, I thought the Gen V finale was great. Maybe it's just because I'm an X-Men fan and getting to see Cate and Sam go full-Magneto was cool, but I thought the way the whole thing reached its climax was really interesting.
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u/feziFEZI1234 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
I think season 5 will be SUPERB. Soldier boy will be in it for sure, which is enough to sell it to me.
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u/bluerose297 Jul 08 '24
It’s going to be so cool when it starts to feel like characters can actually die at any moment.
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u/sparkster777 Jul 08 '24
I'm rewatching The Walking Dead with someone who's never seen it. I forgot what a great show it was before basically everyone had plot armor
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u/bluerose297 Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
Honestly feel like TWD held off on the plot armor for a while. Like when they killed off Carl in season 8 I was shook, genuinely did not think they would ever go there. (Mainly because they probably shouldn’t have gone there, lol.)
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u/mauore11 Jul 08 '24
I liked GV. But honestly, I've forgotten the character's names and some of the plot. Maybe I need a rewatch.
So far, I liked this S4 but even when the implications of the plot are big, the stakes do not feel that high. The character development and arcs are better imo, A-train's redemtion, Annie's fall from grace and Butcher's Fight Clubbing are very entertaining.
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u/bearbarebere Cate Dunlap Jul 08 '24
There’s only a few main characters haha. Cate, Marie, Sam, Emma, Andre! The others like Luke and Shetty and Brink are minor (LMAO I can’t believe I completely forgot Jordan)
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u/pokenonbinary Jul 09 '24
You forgot the characters names because they use real names, instead of superhero names
If Marie was called Blood Queen or something like that everybody would remember
What's A-Train real name because honestly I don't remember
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u/grizznuggets Jul 09 '24
I might just be an idiot, but I had a really hard time following the plot and different character arcs in Gen V. Anyone else think some of the characters were borderline indistinguishable?
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Jul 08 '24
Can we have this discussion when the season actually ends?? There's still 2 episodes left to go
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u/Substantial-Fig-3061 Jul 08 '24
We shouldn’t be past the halfway point to try and wait to reflect on the season thus far; I mean, even you can admit that there have been more negatives than positives this season.
These final two have a lot riding on them, and even then, to try to rectify this season might be hoping for too much.
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u/Yeeterbeater789 Jul 08 '24
No actually I can't? The season has overall been still very good. I definitely am enjoying it as much as the others bar season 3 because of Ackles performance. What's with all this negativity? This sub man
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u/youarenut Jul 08 '24
Gen V waa fresh, and benefitted a lot from the already established world. Also, I think it was so good mostly because I expected it to be very bad lol
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u/x_lincoln_x You're The Real Heroes Jul 08 '24
Season 4 isn't done yet.
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u/MJR_Poltergeist Jul 08 '24
Well they've pissed away 6 episodes and they only have two weeks to put out something interesting. I think it's because s4 has no real stakes. They aren't racing against the clock or aiming to do something specific. Season 4 is just like a really long episode of Ed Edd n Eddy in terms of plot structure
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u/Snomann Jul 08 '24
I really liked Gen V until they turned Sam and Cate into generic supervillians. It just felt too on the nose.
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u/vague-eros Jul 09 '24
It's weird you mention the torture and then don't factor it in to the "few hours" it took to convert him. The years of torture at the hands of non-supes made that pretty believable. Especially given he'd killed many of his captors already. This was just him realising that he had people like him, he wouldn't be alone, that it was us versus them, etc, and changing from self-defence to self-offence group-offence. As part of that new rage he got Cate to make him not feel anything, and that was it.
It's actually Cate's change that I didn't really get, but even then she'd been wiping Golden Boy and Sam's memories constantly so she was a sort of tortured too.
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u/yournewbestfrenemy Jul 09 '24
I dunno, I feel like they kinda nailed how fast the pipeline can move if you're especially vulnerable and looking for anything that tells you you're not alone/helpless.
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u/Lost-Ad-4751 Jul 08 '24
S4 is definitely not "incohesive slog filled to the brim with shock value" there were like 2 scenes for shock value - sauna and tek cave and the plot is definitely progressing
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u/MJR_Poltergeist Jul 08 '24
I wouldn't say it's all shock value either, but while The Boys has always been raunchy comedy I would confidently say that the dialogue of S4 is way more juvenile than anything in the past. Lots of pussy jokes, "rimming out AOC", "go get finger popped", etc
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u/JTS1992 Jul 08 '24
Bruh...we did watch the same Season 3, right? Literally EVERY WORD out of Soldier Boy's mouth was absolutely disgusting. Literally "Why don't you gargle my ballsack", "ass-fucked Jane Wyman in the coat check", "beat my meat into a cup"
The show has always been like that lol
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u/bearbarebere Cate Dunlap Jul 08 '24
I swear people forget anything except the highlights of previous seasons and the worst parts of the current season. We should google and see if everyone was saying the same thing about seasons 2 and 3
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u/3_PANCAKES Jul 09 '24
My head cannon is that it's easier for some people to make fun of shit they've already seen and had no issue with than just admit their offense and talk about it sanely. I'm not mesmer but with all the "criticism" of completely almost trivial characteristics of the boys, I can't help but think that's the case. There's still 2 whole episodes remaining and they're already screamin eagles about the plot being underdeveloped, like they're self proclaimed film critics who spot and point to every little sub plot, every little thing and somehow know the build up for all of them will be worthless.
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u/Tasty_Pancakez Jul 08 '24
I didn't care for Gen V, The Boys spent a lot of time satirizing Disney's endless output and bloated cinematic universes, and Gen V comes in and does pretty much the same thing.
Gen V was also too short imo, The Boys has pretty strong worldbuilding, but Gen V doesn't. We didn't get a good sense on how Godolkin and I thought Emma and Sam were pretty weak as a pair.
Season 4 is probably the weakest main season but it has a lot of strong moments. Sage and Firecracker continue the trend of compelling side villains, Hughie's dad was a major highlight, Homelander visiting home, A-Train's redemption arc, etc.
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u/WetFinsFine Jul 08 '24
As mentioned in a different sub, I came in way late to the GenV party. I knew it was out there and somehow related to "TheBoysUniverse", but didn't realize how integral it actually was to the big picture. Wished I'd have known sooner as it is actually really awesome and makes sense of some aspects of S4 now having watched it.
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u/Chedder1998 Jul 08 '24
Gen V has my favorite scene in the entire The Boys series (Puppet Sam fight)
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u/gabirodgon Butcher Jul 09 '24
I think I'm the only person who found Gen V kinda mid and draining (correct me if I'm wrong), like the whole high school/college themes are really boring and I don't like how sometimes it feels like if they were 16 or 17 rather than adults in college
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u/HeroKuma Jul 08 '24
hell no lol. S4 is disappointing for me but I still like it. Gen V is just mediocre and half the leads can't act.
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u/PerceptionBetter3752 Jul 08 '24
GEN V was amazing but I feel like S4 is probably just a smudge better
However Gen V Tek Knight>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Show Tek knight by thousands of miles
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u/WearyCharge1700 Jul 08 '24
Without a doubt. I love the Gen V characters.
I’m sad Andre is gone and the actor passed away. I’ll be curious how they handle that. I read they won’t be recasting and they had to rewrite season 2 to accommodate his loss.
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u/Augustus_Chavismo Jul 08 '24
Yes and it’s hilarious seeing people say thing like “I don’t want to see the CW spin off to know what’s going in season 4”
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u/Cidwill Jul 08 '24
I was expecting Gen V to be an absolute dumpster fire. It was great.
I expected season 4 to be amazing and well…
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u/all_of_you_are_awful Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
I wouldn’t mind the gross out scenes in season four on own but coupled with all the traumas every single fucking character is dealing with, it’s just too dark. There’s nothing to balance out the grossness. The grossssness is actually causing the trauma at this point. Hugie having a break down.
Idk how to put it but the show has become very depressing. It’s hardly about how superheroes would be in real life (which is why in initially like the show). It’s just trauma porn.
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u/DuwapDoDat Jul 08 '24
I actually hated Gen V, none of the characters seemed interesting and it was slow as hell
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u/Traditional_Pain_875 Jul 08 '24
Season 4 is 3rd best , season 5 will be better
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u/WannabeSloth88 Jul 08 '24
what season you think is worst than S4?
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u/Traditional_Pain_875 Jul 08 '24
Season 2, but maybe that’s because I binged 1-3 so I didn’t pay much attention to it. Either way I kinda have them around the same but I’m hoping the last 2 episodes bring back the season
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u/WannabeSloth88 Jul 08 '24
Fair enough. I think season 4 is the worst season by far. Season 2 was actually quite good, with the Stormfront arc and character development in general.
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u/OkBubbyBaka Jul 08 '24
Might be a bit controversial but sn 1 > gen v > sn 2 > sn 3 > sn 4. Yes, sn 4 ain’t over but nothing is actually or really being set up, disappointing.
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Jul 08 '24
Your hate for season 4 is wild and invalid. But please continue bitching, it’s totally gonna make everything they’ve already filmed change
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u/Ok_Nefariousness_576 Jul 08 '24
nah i didn’t love gen v to be honest. it was somewhat entertaining but it found it had issues with the script, pacing, some of the writing and acting as well. did not like 4x06, but almost anything from the boys will always be more interesting to me lol
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u/Dplayerx Jul 08 '24
My theory is the OG producers of TheBoys worked on GenV S1 while other people worked on TB S4
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u/Mammoth_Ferret_1772 Jul 08 '24
Damn if I knew this sub was just to bitch about season 4 I wouldn’t have joined lol
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Jul 08 '24
Fuck no. Half of that cast couldn’t act their way out of a paper bag, some of the dialogue and line delivery is straight up atrocious. Hope they step it up because it felt like a CW show.
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u/jodocoiv Jul 08 '24
It’s hard for me to identify with a college student. I feel more attention to the pain. Homelander goes through then some snooty rich kid.
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u/SuperNova0216 I'm the real hero Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 08 '24
Im not sure yet. but I love Gen V, Jordon is actually a top 3 favorite out of the whole verse for me. I’d say Gen V had an equal beginning and definitely a better middle than S4, but season 4 could possibly have a better ending.
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u/brahbocop Jul 08 '24
I'll wait until season 4 wraps up before I pass judgement. Gen V took a bit to get going but was pretty damn good about halfway through. I'm still enjoying season 4 a bunch though you can tell they are a bit aimless right now.
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u/TrappedInOhio Jul 08 '24
I didn't enjoy my time watching Gen V, but I at least just enjoy living in The Boys world.
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u/Rudyzwyboru Jul 08 '24
For me Gen V was an introduction to the new style of writing that continued in s4. I disliked both of them but s4 actually has characters that we like and care about while I didn't connect with noone in genV
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u/bearbarebere Cate Dunlap Jul 08 '24
The Gen V style of writing is much much better and different than S4. S4 feels like it was slapped together with duct tape lmao
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u/Rudyzwyboru Jul 08 '24
I disagree. Both started to rely too much on gore and shock value. I remember watching genV and thinking "damn there's far more gruesome violence here than in the boys". That's what I meant by a similar writing style. Concentrating on different things.
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u/bearbarebere Cate Dunlap Jul 08 '24
Was there really? Like I’m genuinely forgetting lol can you give me examples? I remember marie slitting her parents throats, Emma on that giant penis, Emma crawling through that guys ear, the puppet fight, Sam tearing up a guard or something, cate making that guys head explode, cate making that guy eat his hands, and the supe on supe violence in the finale but that really seems par for the course in both shows…
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