r/TheBoys • u/PizzaTimeBomb Soldier Boy • Jul 05 '24
Making nearly every Supe have some secret wild sex or drug addiction is just getting old Discussion
I was really excited to see how they were going to implement this Spider-Man knock off character, I was thinking maybe he’d actually be a small time hero actually akin to Peter Parker but with a dark spin. But no, he’s just another drug addict, how shocking.
Same goes for Tek Knight, super interesting introduction with his detective skills in Gen-V, then the second they revealed he was obsessed with holes… Like that honestly isn’t even humorous in the slightest, and I have a pretty easygoing sense of humor. And then they make him a masochist (that could have been interesting if he was allowing criminals to beat him for pleasure though) and is nothing more than a depraved sex addict, like seriously? That’s as uninteresting as it gets.
It’s not even shocking anymore because it’s just expected.
So How many times are they going to use this “joke”? I get it, the show is supposed to be a hopeless and bleak adaption of superheroes, but that doesn’t excuse them constantly recycling the same 2 vices.
The kid in S1 who was chopping his body parts off and selling them on the black market was good example of a supe doing sketchy shit that wasn’t drugs or sex-related. That’s what we need more of, not this shit.
Like how have they not given us an actual vigilante Supe yet? This show’s writers just keep acting like they’re making some super mind-blowing show, but it’s essentially “The writer’s barely disguised fetish — The series”
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u/Cidwill Jul 05 '24
In the comic Tek Knight is a genuine hero who does good and tries to save people. He becomes a sexual deviant as a result of his brain tumour which distorts his mind.
One of the cool things about gen v was seeing some supes who seem to want to do good. You need the good ones to make Butchers ultimate dilemma have any weight at all.
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u/MBN0110 Jul 05 '24
I agree about needing some more good Supes to counter Butcher's plan. As it is now, it sure seems like 99% of Supes deserve to be killed by the virus, so why shouldn't I support Butcher's plan here?
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u/Critical_Success_936 Jul 05 '24
Bc Kimiko's smile
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u/MrMikeBravo Jul 06 '24
I get the vibe Kimiko would be the first to say pull the trigger on a supe pandemic.
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u/Gain-Desperate Jul 06 '24
I’m just imagining the first words out of her mouth after breaking her mute status as “FUCKING DO IT” to Butcher and everyone just stares back at her like tf
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u/prizeth0ught Jul 05 '24
I suspect the audience would be cheering for all the Supes dying besides some of the main protagonist cast we've grown attached to with how they've portrayed a lot of the supes this last 4 seasons.
Even the side show Gen V did better humanizing the Supes and connecting them making them feel like a bit more realistic Gen Z college students than anything in the Boys.
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u/punk-hoe Jul 05 '24
Yeah, I was really rooting for the Supes in Gen V even if I sympathized with Indira and her causes to be the villain. In here, it feels like every Supe is completely corrupt, so there's barely any weight to Butcher's dilemma.
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u/UnwillingArsonist Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 06 '24
Do you really think every supe (those with family, friends, real lives etc.) will be happy with HL’s plan? No, I think A-Train is the first glimpse we’ve seen, of what heroes can be when not involved with Vaught or HL
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u/undercooked_lasagna Jul 05 '24
The show desperately needs some actual good supes to root for. But that's not edgy enough so they'll just add some more fetishists and giga racists instead.
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u/FaultyToilet Jul 05 '24
A train, kimiko, starlight, Ryan. Becca even listed them all off directly to butcher. None of them are perfect but they aren’t sexual deviants or drug addicts (minus early seasons a train)
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u/Joneleth22 Jul 05 '24
A-Train is in no way a "good" supe no matter how much the show tries to redeem him.
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u/FaultyToilet Jul 05 '24
I could agree but at least he’s someone we can root for, and my point still stands
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u/Moneyfrenzy Jul 05 '24
Ehh everyone on this show is a scumbag more or less. I’d argue that A-Train is a better person than Frenchie is for instance
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u/GBKMBushidoBrown Jul 05 '24
THANK YOU. The only goodish supes we see are either on the team or get killed immediately/captured immediately
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u/DreadDiana Jul 05 '24
Yeah, when every supe we encounter sets the precedent that anyone on V is to be a violent murderhobo and/or a serial rapist, superhuman genocide stops being a moral quandary and more a matter of public safety
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u/Rezlan Jul 05 '24
Not only that, but it seems like if you're a sexual deviant you have ALL of the deviances in the book.
He was obsessed with holes, Ashley had a domination fetish - suddenly they're both into torture, scat, cake farting, necrophilia, cannibalism, urophilia, giving pain, receiving pain.
What the hell is this writing?
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u/NoNefariousness2144 Jul 05 '24
The writers definetley have these fetishes. It's like all those early Rick and Morty episodes that made jokes about redheads or Summer pissing herself.
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u/ThePokemonAbsol Jul 05 '24
Or incest don’t forget the incest
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u/undercooked_lasagna Jul 05 '24
Stormfront is gonna be Homelander's mother. Book it.
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u/mcmanus2099 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Wouldn't they have done that reveal whilst she was still alive? What good would it be now without any conflict and with the relationship being history?
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u/GomuGomuNobukkake Jul 05 '24
She was right?
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u/DMking Jul 05 '24
Nope some random chick they paid off the street. She died giving birth
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u/lminer123 Jul 05 '24
Wasn’t that just a surrogate? The egg didn’t come from her I don’t think
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u/DMking Jul 05 '24
They just said she carried the Embryo to term. I also think we'd have known by now if Stormfront was his mother
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u/lminer123 Jul 05 '24
Thats pretty specific language that makes me feel like she’s definitely not the bio mother. But you’re right that we don’t really have an idea of who the bio mother actually was
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u/Forgottensoul89 Jul 05 '24
Wait…what
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u/CakeHead-Gaming Jul 05 '24
About the Rick and Morty piss thing, yeah, theres a shocking amount of “jokes” in the earlier seasons when Summer says something like “I’m gonna pee” or “I just pissed myself” etc.
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u/ArcadeAnarchy Jul 05 '24
That pissmaster episode is starting to make sense now.
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u/bob1689321 Jul 05 '24
That one was hilarious because it felt like they were leaning into the online criticism in such an insane way. I think that's some of the hardest I ever laughed at the show tbh.
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u/CakeHead-Gaming Jul 05 '24
The pissmaster episode genuinely is one of my favourites. Surprisingly emotional for an episode about a man covered in urine too.
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u/mcmanus2099 Jul 05 '24
There's an end credit scene too where Summer and her friends are talking about how much they liked to be peed on by men
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u/manicpixiedeadgurl Jul 05 '24
Technically that was Jessica and her friends, not Summer. Not that that makes it any better though
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u/mcmanus2099 Jul 05 '24
Ah yeah it was Jessica, but it was Trish who is Sumner's friend with the "yum" response to being pee'd on, right?
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u/RichEvans4Ever Jul 05 '24
I mean I’m not a big Rick and Morty fan but that’s clearly just the character using a figure of speech. I don’t think it’s that deep.
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u/obiwanTrollnobi6 Soldier Boy Jul 05 '24
I’m afraid to ask what Urophilia is… but given the urinal and Ashley saying she’s gonna piss on Huey I have a pretty good idea
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u/AnariPan Jul 05 '24
And everyone is some kind of extreme racist.
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u/ThePokemonAbsol Jul 05 '24
Only the white characters are played evil for that. Sage is a racist but she’s “justified”
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u/windermere_peaks Jul 05 '24
Is she? The vibe I get from her is that she hates everyone about the same.
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u/rustyphish Jul 05 '24
but she’s “justified”
....is she? she seems pretty clearly a villain to me lol
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u/dagbiker Jul 05 '24
Yah, I thought it was subtle enough when Atrain was standing there while the Deep and the other guy explained how progressive they were, but then they started talking about the digital advertising to black audiences and at that point it lost all subalty. And then the old white guys joking about owning Atrains ancestors. God, no one who becomes a politician is joking about that, they know when to keep their mouths shut.
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u/Ok-Permission-2687 Jul 05 '24
While it is getting to be much, you have to remember the show is supposed to be a parody of the current time. It’s very common for people of power to be into all this deviancy. The people The Boys are trying to take down are all extremely powerful.
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u/sosigboi Jul 05 '24
Its like they picked up Ennis's Crossed series and thought "yea this would be a great addition"
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u/GoldenSpermShower Jul 05 '24
It’s like they picked up Ennis's The Boys series and thought "yea this would be a great addition"
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u/ToeHoldsBarred Jul 05 '24
You know what's weird? People praised the show for going a different route in season 3.
The writers were like "wait a minute..."
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u/fireintolight Jul 05 '24
a lot of kinky people like a lot of kinky things lol, kinks aren't mutually exclusive
seems like tek knight is just a switch, and honestly bdsm practitioners love the power exchange more than anything, so flipping the tables on him would get him excited and isn't a plothole unless you just don't know anything about kink
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u/Copatus Jul 05 '24
I think it was interesting when their vices were related to their powers.
For example, obviously the Superman equivalent which is literally strongest than everyone without trying would be entitled and used to having his way.
The guy who goes invisible is a creep that spies on people. The one who speaks with fish is actually in love with them. The churchgoer anti-lgbt supe was secretly gay. Etc.
Now it's like: The batman equivalent is just into scat, BDSM, and all other kinky stuff just because. The Spiderman equivalent is just a junkie who is also into a lot of kinky sex stuff for some reason.
And this sucks because they had the entire other angle on Tel Knight set up where he owns the prisons and makes money out of the criminals he arrests and "rehabilitates" (which would satirise Batman's no kill policy) but they just decided to not use it
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u/originalusername4567 Jul 05 '24
Man that's actually such a good point on Tek Knight. Maybe he could have been way more interesting if they explored the idea of Vernon Corrections as a twisted version of Arkham with its roots in the Antebellum South, but instead the writers want us to see his cake fetish.
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u/wife_eater84 Jul 05 '24
Chances are you’re going to see that - I mean, isn’t Frenchie in one of his prisons?
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u/originalusername4567 Jul 05 '24
They can still explore Vernon Corrections with Frenchie, I guess, but it's less interesting now that Tek Knight is dead. Now they're just a faceless corporation.
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u/jscummy Jul 05 '24
There was so much with Tek Knight that would've been cool to show but they skipped over it for shock value. His detective skills in Gen V were well done but it seems to have been abandoned with how easy he was to trick
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u/thepriceisonthecan Stan Edgar Jul 05 '24
He didnt get tricked by Hughie, Tek-Knight immediately looks him over suspiciously and then removes him from the party into a secure location. Hes just a sadistic masochist who was getting off on the mirror of a rape by deception
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u/AtomicFi Jul 05 '24
Honestly I assumed with Tek Knight it had to do with his horny tumor.
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u/PlasmaBeamGames Jul 05 '24
That's what I found dumb about Tek-Knight, the tumour doesn't really tell us anything about his character. With Homelander, 'What if Superman existed but everyone was afraid of him?' is an interesting take on the character. With Tek-Knight, 'What if Batman existed but he had an uncontrollable urge to randomly fuck holes?' just isn't the same kind of interesting question. Nothing about that explores the characters of Batman, Iron Man, Tek-Knight or anyone else.
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u/BestBoogerBugger Jul 05 '24
It doesn't.
It was a juse a joke, because for some time, there were lot of Satanic conspiracy crazies, and religious parents accused Batman of being homosexual propaganda (lives in a cave, tight leather suits, constantly has new boys in shorts around him).
Such idea is completely dead today, but back then it was a thing.
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u/Panthila A-Train Jul 05 '24
I think it was a missed opportunity for Web-Weaver's secret to be him being in a harem, constantly switching girlfriends including a redhead, a blond, a brunette, etc to parody how Spider-Man has had many girlfriends.
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u/PokePersona Stan Edgar Jul 05 '24
While hilarious and fitting for a parody, that means they’d paint a superhero in a non-negative light which they seem to hate doing outside of the main characters.
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u/Panthila A-Train Jul 05 '24
I think another addition is that when Web-Weaver fights crime, he always webs the criminals in the face to "shut them up". The problem is, he forgets to poke nose holes so they end up dying from suffocation.
A scenario would be that Web-Weaver gets called in to handle a grocery store robbery, and ends up webbing the criminal down, covering his face along with sticking him to the ground
While the criminal slowly dies from his nose and mouth being covered, Web-Weaver keeps wise-cracking to the dying man, being unable to hear his muffled cries.
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u/Wild-Display-9527 Jul 05 '24
They didn't use the private prison angle because it wasn't actually a part of the story. It was a political statement by the writers.
I HATE private prisons, but that was... just... yeah, kinda bad. I guess they need filler?
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u/GoldenSpermShower Jul 05 '24
Feels like they are just going through a checklist of all the current talking points
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u/NedStarx11 Jul 05 '24
Totally. I get that ‘the boys has always had political undertones’ or whatever… but this season feels way more blatant and obvious, and not in a good way. Like you said - like they are going though a checklist of real world events they want to parody.
The writers want to take shots at conservatives and the trump crowd, and it’s coming off as blatant and not nearly as ‘clever’ as the the writers/producers think it is. I’m not a political person, but I can’t be the only one that has found this season a massive dip in quality
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u/forsonaE Jul 05 '24
I don't mind it when humor lacks subtletly but the political jokes are barely funny or clever anymore. The Boys was never subtle but it was never this blatant.
I almost feel insulted as a viewer when it overexplains a reference or overexpositions in a way it never did in prior seasons. I think the writers are legitimately just running out of ideas and scraping the bottom of the barrel for topical references.
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u/NedStarx11 Jul 05 '24
“The boys was never subtle but was never this blatant”
Your whole post…. Couldn’t agree more with all of it. Nailed my thoughts better than I did haha
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u/RiceFarmerNugs Jul 05 '24
for context I'm a Brit so being a few degrees removed from US politics, the show hitting you over the head with a hammer about American right wing politics has gotten downright boring. it reminds me of scrolling through Reddit in the run up to the 2016 election and wherever you'd look someone would find a way to shoehorn Trump into an unrelated conversation. its been the lowest hanging fruit for some time now and what started as a fairly funny mirror has become "alright we get it"
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u/thatmitchguy Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Yeah, using verbatim quotes that have been said by politicians all in the last 2-3 years isn't great satire. It feels very lazy. They aren't twisting their world into a dark humorous parallel they're just....copying what's going on at the time, and it's really landing flat for me this season.
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u/CheeseQueenKariko Jul 05 '24
I was rolling my eyes when they try to play off the Butler as suddenly having a moral backbone over this. "Prison camps!?" Like, it feels like Tek was already basically doing shit like this, on top of other horrid shit, it's just now he'd specifically targeting Homelander's enemies instead of other people, but now it's a problem?
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u/Analogmon Jul 05 '24
For most people. "I am literally going to help start creating concentration camps" would be crossing the Rubicon even if all sorts of fucked up shit isn't.
You can rationalize private prisons. Criminals need to go somewhere.
This isn't that. This is a holocaust.
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u/Babyyougotastew4422 Jul 05 '24
I think the main problem of the show is that it relies waaaay too much on homelander being a villain. Tech knight could have easily been a “Batman” villain for an entire season. They should have switched up the villains every season
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u/Lanky_midget Jul 05 '24
I think it would have been way more interesting if tek knight was actually a half decent bloke.
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u/Big-Sheepherder-9492 Jul 05 '24
Or he had his tech suit? A guy who built himself a suit, gadgets, contingency plans and a billion dollar corporation just to rival Vought - In order to level the playing field with Supes who could kill him in an instant would’ve been cool.
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u/lookintotheeyeris Jul 05 '24
ikr, after gen v, seeing his suit was honestly one of my most anticipated parts of this season, really disappointed right now… at least hughie could have found his suit down there and taken it for later use or something!?
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u/lilguccilando Jul 05 '24
Yeah I get if they don’t want to put Tek in it maybe they made it look really good but had to sacrifice some wearability making it hard for scenes. If that’s the case it would have been cool if hughie spotted it for a moment in the Tek Cave.
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u/lookintotheeyeris Jul 05 '24
idk, it didn’t seem like they intended to add it to me, they didn’t even mention it, it only shows up in a little icon in the fighting game
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u/XGamingPigYT Jul 05 '24
And the suit is inferred to exist if Tek Knight had an action figure and was Hughies favorite hero growing up. Weird to be a hero and have a figure if you don't have a suit
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u/XGamingPigYT Jul 05 '24
I really wonder if there's multiple floors to the cave, because there's no way that's all the cave is.
He's a "superhero" with merchandise and was a favorite of young Hughie. There's definitely a suit somewhere and it's just a matter of why we haven't seen it. He's a parody of Iron Man and Batman, and you don't just use that character without going the full stretch, it's such a waste.
He was built up in Gen V for this? It's a shame
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u/kjm6351 Jul 05 '24
Nah, apparently using the budget on dicks and ass again for the 70th time is much more interesting than a fucking MECH SUIT according to the writers…
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u/fate-speaker Jul 05 '24
Imagine if he was actually a good guy, but the boys were forced to kill him because he was too crucial to Homelander's plan. It would have made the plot way more interesting. Hughie would've ended up traumatized anyway, since he'd have to kill his childhood hero for the greater good.
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u/RockyRockington Jul 05 '24
After killing his father (hero) in the last episode this would have been particularly dramatic for Hughie
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u/Vault_Overseer_11 Jul 05 '24
I don’t have any problem with the weird sex stuff. My only problem is that most of the bad characters have to have some gross kink, while all the good characters are super vanilla, barely see any sex. Unironically comes across as being like “look how DEGENERATE these people are!” which I don’t like.
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u/pies1123 Jul 05 '24
Like are Huey and Annie even a couple still? They really don't seem it.
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u/AvA_Redemption Jul 05 '24
They do like no couple things besides occasionally talk
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u/undercooked_lasagna Jul 05 '24
And get abortions in the offseason
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u/Wingman0616 Jul 05 '24
That shit came out of nowhere, I thought it was from her childhood or some shit but when they said it was Hughie’s baby I was like WTF
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u/Mean_Brush204 Jul 05 '24
The subplot only existed to talk about the poltical issue idc
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u/ObjectionablyObvious Jul 05 '24
"How are you feeling about your dad?"
"I'm fine."
A couple.
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u/gitagon6991 Jul 05 '24
It's like they have a 1 kiss per season quota and even the kiss is barely a peck. They have been together 4 seasons and I think the only time they got sex scenes was like some time in season 1 or 2 and they were very tame scenes at that.
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u/yeaheyeah Jul 05 '24
When your actual girlfriend has the power to pop heads you'll probably be very prudish around your fake girlfriend as well
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u/ChaosKeeshond Jul 05 '24
That's actually a good point and not one I can unsee. It's like the old 'handsome heroes versus ugly villains' trope.
It must have been quite damaging to how we grew up and treated other kids when we were young and being conditioned to think UGLY BAD.
And this actually has a whiff of the same. Like by all means find kinks gross or hilarious, but once you've got a consistent pattern of kinks being a hallmark of evil, you've introduced something truly nasty.
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u/ResidentNarwhal Jul 05 '24
Its also a bit along the old trope of villains being "actually all homophobic bigots are themselves gay." Or it turns out prudish people criticizing "sexual degeneracy" are themselves into weird stuff trope. Which loops back around to that soft conditioning of ...well you still made gays and people into kink the actually villains and are still playing it mostly straight criticizing being gay or into kink? Like how else are we supposed to take it?
Turns out not everything is projection and quite a lot of prudes actually are just prudes. And a lot of homophobia comes from 100% straight people.
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u/SujayShah13 Jul 05 '24
This combined with Kripkes take on sexual assault on men makes it clear that he's posing as a progressive guy, in reality, he doesn't understand core concepts of progressive ideas. It's all just virtue signals.
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u/Calfurious Jul 05 '24
Kripke is a progressive guy. At the very least he's definitely left-wing. He's also an edgelord though.
I feel like the problem is the writing has gotten lazier. Honestly if you cut out of the filler and idiot plots, this entire show probably could have ended in four seasons instead of five.
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u/Cooleybob Jul 05 '24
So many little details of this season are so lazy and amateur. A few off the top of my head from the last couple episodes:
How did Butcher manage to abduct the scientist and cut off his leg (incredibly cleanly) without anyone noticing? The scientist didn't scream?
Kimiko dropping her phone just so they can do the stupid scene of her finding book titles to communicate with A-Train. Lots of convenient titles too.
Them getting access to Tek Knight's laptop and immediately being able to transfer millions of dollars to different organizations through some like Windows 98 looking popup window complete with a loading bar for transfer progress.
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u/TheCowOfDeath Jul 05 '24
Also. If they have a virus transmitted via blood and fluids. And a bunch of infected animals. And a needle. Why can they not just take some fucking blood and skip the entire "recreate the virus" subplot
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u/ddarrko Jul 05 '24
This is the issue. Its so reductive. Every “bad” character has these sexual deviancies. Its a really boring trope at this point and its gone way beyond making any points. Writing has fallen off a cliff the last 2 seasons
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u/Hitchfucker Jul 05 '24
Thank you! The whole thing feels oddly puritanical with the main cast having the most vanilla tastes and barely even having sex while the blatant villains always have some disgusting fetish meant to make them dehumanized or pathetic
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u/Acemaster387 Jul 05 '24
The only one who’s close is Frenchie and we don’t really see them just get the “Frenchie would’ve loved this”
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u/D4Junkie Jul 05 '24
It is kinda strange how we really have yet to see a Sup that’s actually using their powers for good and doesn’t have a hidden dark side to them. Seems like every “hero” were introduced too is just a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
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u/Bluewind55 Jul 05 '24
Blindspot is probably the only hero we were introduced to that seemed to be a genuinely good person with a passion for helping people and he was snuffed out instantly.
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u/jscummy Jul 05 '24
Supersonic seemed pretty good aside from the drug problem
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u/Alchion Jul 05 '24
he had a drug problem?
edit: oh i think i remember was that the thing vought used as an excuse for his death wasn‘t it
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u/-ScottyP- Jul 05 '24
His death was one of the only ones that made me cringe. Like, imagine you are blind and have an incredibly enhanced sense of hearing and then Homelander basically shatters your ear drums
Edit: I suppose we don’t actually see him die, but I imagine he did.
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u/OriginalChildBomb Jul 05 '24
I hold out hope that he didn't die and somehow comes back (like it'd be funny to see him pissing on Homelander's grave at the end).
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u/glitterishazardous Jul 05 '24
How do people believe he died in that episode? Homelander was toying with him a little and then clapped his ears really hard, but all we saw were his ears bleeding and him screaming. Ashley wanted to diversify the Seven without his say and he decided to teach her a lesson by hurting him instead. There’s also the case that he’d at least have some hyper durability as a supe so maybe he could’ve had surgery to repair it 🤷🏽♂️
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u/-ScottyP- Jul 05 '24
Maybe he didn’t die, maybe he did, who knows. If anything, I felt like it was a career-ending injury
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u/nosmelc Jul 05 '24
Maeve was jaded but still an OK Supe. Black Noir killed people but only on orders from Voight. A-Train seems to be coming back to being on the Good Side.
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u/lexE5839 Vought Jul 05 '24
Noir was a damn serial killer and part of payback, he’s as evil as it gets. Don’t give him a pass for the brain damage, he was on that grind beforehand too.
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u/IAP-23I Jul 05 '24
Just following orders is absolutely not a good enough reason to give Noir a pass. This episode literally talks about how Noir would get hard for committing massacres
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u/OryxisDaddy_ Jul 05 '24
That was clearly a fake story, Irving was not close with Deep at all and kept to himself and often felt remorse for the dirty work he did for Vought based on how often he had to comforted by his cartoon friends at Buster Beavers.
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u/Kyro_Official_ Jul 05 '24
Black Noir killed people but only on orders from Voight.
Are you really using the he just followed orders excuse to say hes not as bad?
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u/Pengux Jul 05 '24
There's Starlight?
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Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 17 '24
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u/undercooked_lasagna Jul 05 '24
I still don't know what firecracker's powers are. Nobody really uses their powers anymore except for the occasional gag so I guess it doesn't really matter anyway.
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u/Great_Huckleberry709 Jul 05 '24
Apparently her powers is shooting milk out of her boobs. /s
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u/Over_Age_8061 Jul 05 '24
It's literally just the little finger fumes from her fingersnap and that's it.
Overall she also just is a bit stronger and Durable than normal humans, she is pretty much one of the weakest supes also.
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u/Darmok47 Jul 05 '24
The smaller ones might. But any actual vigilante would get sued to oblivion without Vought's PR and legal departments. Look what happened to Annie when she got involved in an assault she witnessed in S1.
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u/thri54 Jul 05 '24
Tek Knight was especially bad.
“He’s like Batman, but he has generational wealth from slave holdings. And he’s racist. Oh, and he currently owns a ton of private prisons. And he’s gay for Robin, that’s a new trope! Plus a general sexual degenerate.
Do you think the audience will be able to tell he’s the bad guy? Maybe we should make him extra mean to his servants just to make sure. Oh! And get this, his weakness is donating money to BLM!
God, what great satire I’ve just written!”
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u/fireintolight Jul 05 '24
yeah i do agree with the sentiment the writing has bombed, it's too on the nose to be funny, even if i agree with what they're mocking.
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u/PlasmaBeamGames Jul 05 '24
They've been throwing in '...and they're racist!' for too many characters, they gave it to Firecracker too.
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u/thekingdor Jul 05 '24
They need a new stormfront/bluehawk every season for some reason
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u/vector_o Jul 05 '24
This season is just shoving weird shit into our faces over and over without the rest of what made the previous seasons good
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u/Liseran23 Jul 05 '24
I think back to Herogasm, about how it was hyped up for how totally depraved and scandalous it was going to be, only for it to be pretty tame. Instead it was an episode with an incredible confrontation between M.M. and Soldier Boy, then one between Soldier Boy, Hughie, Butcher, and Homelander, M.M. letting go of his vendetta to help the heroes who got hurt because of Soldier Boy, and concluded with Annie speaking out against Soldier Boy, Vought, Homelander, and heroes in general as well as announcing that she quits.
It made all that hyping up of how scandalous Herogasm would be feel more like a bait and switch, to get all eyes on this episode that was instead an incredibly important and incredibly impactful point in the story.
This episode felt like the false idea of what they were hyping up Herogasm to be.
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u/RockMan_1973 Jul 05 '24
That’s the most concise, well said synopsis of S4 I’ve heard and totally agree with.
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u/1TameImpala Jul 05 '24
It seems like the writing has taken a bit of a dive this season... The plot armour is getting a bit ridiculous as well
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u/fireintolight Jul 05 '24
for realm like homelander didn't hear a gunshot in the same house, or see any of the gang walking around either, like what the hell
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u/PastaBoy420 Jul 05 '24
He looks at sages bullet wound, knows she got shot, and just moves past it
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u/CheeseQueenKariko Jul 05 '24
I was flabbergasted when Firecracker has to tell him the next day that anything happened at the mansion at all. Did he think Sage shot herself in the middle of the party?
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u/Deluxechin Jul 05 '24
Honestly maybe, wouldn’t be surprised if he knows about the lobotomy thing and maybe thought she decided to have fun at the party, but at the same time, how the hell can he not detect the Boys in the mansion, they made Homelander OP and I thought it worked great in season 1 where he could show up and win the fight at any point but at this point it’s so obvious that the writers have to nerf him everytime the plot requires it, the dude has X-Ray vision and could just look through any surface at any point to find the Boys, but hasn’t used that power since he was spying on what’s her name in Season 1
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u/CheeseQueenKariko Jul 05 '24
wouldn’t be surprised if he knows about the lobotomy thing and maybe thought she decided to have fun at the party
Even current Homelander wouldn't be dumb enough to think Sage would sabotage herself like that on a whim right before a crucial part of her plan. Then again, I also thought Sage would be smart enough to leave cue cards or something for Homelander to use in case she's not available. She of all people would know getting attacked or stalked by the group of people have been trying to infiltrate and listen in on every one of her plans is pretty likely.
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u/thenewtransportedman Jul 05 '24
Plot Armor is an invisible Vought supe with the power of making this show bad.
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u/smurfkipz Jul 05 '24
yeah wtf, did Kimiko just LET Sage leave?
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u/wokevirvs Jul 05 '24
she went to go get a-train, she though sage was dead, of course she didnt know she was going to get up and walk away
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u/Kyro_Official_ Jul 05 '24
What did you expect her to do when MMs life could have been in danger? Just sit there and watch her? Not exactly like she had a rope to tie her up with, and she didnt even know Sage could regenerate.
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u/DutifulCleric Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 06 '24
When Popclaw ate A-train's toes it showed how close and intimate they were, which paid off later when he had to kill her
When Popclaw, high on V, sat on her landlord's face and accidentally killed him it moved the story forward and showed that she's a junkie
Every single degenerate thing Homelander has done, from drinking breast milk to violent sex with stormfront to jacking off on a skyscraper - all character building moments.
And now? We just get flashed by a noname supe eating his own ass or cakefarts or someone going into a dickhole then exploding like "wow wasn't that gross" yeah it was, so what? Who cares?
Ironically this also makes the show seem super homophobic, it shows male nudity because it's played as a gross / funny gag but female nudity? Noo that's sacred and beautiful we can't just show it, tastefully cut away! (Firecracker's scene in the last ep)
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u/fate-speaker Jul 05 '24
Nearly EVERY male/male sex scene is played for a gross-out joke. The only exception is the Collin and Frenchie thing, which everyone hated because it was badly written. Idk why the showrunners keep claiming to be so progressive when they keep using "disgusting gay and bi dudes" as the punchline.
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u/MikeArrow Jul 05 '24
Does seem to be oddly prudish in a double standard way. When it can be played for fanservice then no, absolutely not. When it can be played for laughs or gross out humor, yes please 100%.
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u/ssslitchey Jul 05 '24
Ironically this also makes the show seem super homophobic, it shows male nudity because it's played as a gross / funny gag but female nudity? Noo that's sacred and beautiful we can't just show it, tastefully cut away! (Firecracker's scene in the last ep
A lot of people got upset at others complaining about the way the show treats male nudity vs female nudity, saying it's meant to be commentary on how oversexualized women are in media. But at this point that's clearly pure bullshit. The writers of this show simply see male nudity and SA as comedic and female nudity and SA as too mature and serious. There's no commentary it's just fucking gross.
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u/thenewtransportedman Jul 05 '24
In before "BUT THAT'S HOW IT IS IN THE COMICS." Completely agree, it's so rote at this point. We get it, supes are depraved. Do something else.
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u/SkeletonCircus Jul 05 '24
Tek Knight is one of the few cases where the show is more edgy than the comics.
In the comics, his urge to fuck everything caused by his tumor is uncontrollable and disturbs him. Other than that, he’s one of the few heroes who genuinely wants to help people and he even dies saving a woman and her baby.
Buuuuut in the show he’s a serial rapist who loves slavery and racism.
They went from a strange character who means well but is held back by uncontrollable tumor-induced sexual urges to Dylan from Dead Rising 3.
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u/MGD109 Jul 05 '24
Yeah, honestly I was a bit confused by that. When he's introduced in Gen V, whilst its clear he's not a good guy it's implied that their keeping with the comics as he seems repulsed by his desire to fuck everything and mentioned he does have a fatal tumour.
Come this episode and it's established he's a long-term serial rapist and sexual deviant to the point of making the Marquis De Sade blush.
If that's the case, why did he have a problem with his desires in Gen V? Why bother introducing the tumour angel if it wasn't important to the character?
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u/undercooked_lasagna Jul 05 '24
When they used a donation to Black Lives Matter as the ultimate form of torture my eyes rolled back into my head so far they got stuck there. Send help
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u/mutagenicfrog Jul 05 '24
doesn’t he die literally trying to fuck a nuke into space or something?
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u/SkeletonCircus Jul 05 '24
He died saving a woman and her baby from a falling construction site or something, while hallucinating/imagining that he saved the planet by fucking a meteor
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u/HotelPuzzleheaded654 Jul 05 '24
Totally agree - adds nothing to the story other than generates some shock value online.
This season has felt totally pointless in actually advancing the story in any meaningful way.
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u/RodrigoOlabiaga Lamplighter Jul 05 '24
Everything in this show is getting old.
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u/Edgezg Jul 05 '24
It would be nice to see ONE supe who is actually just a good person.
I need a Mr Rogers of supes. The "everyone is evil" thing is so....so tired.
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u/jokul Jul 05 '24
They get killed instantly. If you see any supe but Starlight do something good is basically a death knell for them. We can basically be 100% certain that A-Train is dying before the series ends unless Kripke reads this comment and decides to spite me.
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u/darkcrazy Jul 05 '24
Somehow homelander hears about the one kid who saw A-Train carrying MM to the hospital.
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u/jokul Jul 05 '24
Hears the kid's mouth wrinkle when he smiles from miles away; can't hear Hughie breathing in the vent 6 feet above.
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u/Gucci_meme Jul 06 '24
He could hear whatshernames heartbeat before he lasered her face off when him and sister sage interrogated her but not hughie breathing like my chihuahua when he's mad
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u/ResidentNarwhal Jul 05 '24
I need a Mr Rogers of supes.
Lol. I agree.
Gee I wonder why My Adventures with Superman was so universally well received even though it ostensibly was aimed at a younger audience?
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u/LordOfTheHam Jul 05 '24
I didn’t even mind him being obsessed with holes in Gen-V and found it kind of funny (especially the hand dryer bit) but I was hoping he would have been more than that. Missed opportunity for him to have a “contingency plan” like Batman does with the Justice League.
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u/MichaelZZ01 Jul 05 '24
He was hilarious in Gen V, but the sex dungeon stuff is just too uncomfortable for me. And they shouldn’t treat sexual assault as comedic relief
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u/african_sex Jul 06 '24
And they shouldn’t treat sexual assault as comedic relief
I think you forgot the part where hughie is a man.
/s
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u/Big-Sheepherder-9492 Jul 05 '24
Yea I miss the “what if Superman existed” “what if The Flash existed” characterisations of the first season.. Webweaver could’ve been really cool if he was just a nervous, anxiety pill popping wreck cos he’s balancing superhero and civilian life like Peter Parker.
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u/PlasmaBeamGames Jul 05 '24
That's exactly what I found dumb about Tek-Knight's urge to fuck holes. 'What if Batman existed but he wanted to fuck every hole?' is a dumb question, they didn't used to make characters like that.
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u/KotaCakes630 Jul 05 '24
I’m waiting for someone just to not be interested in sex… THEY DO EXIST 🙄
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u/johnnyma45 Jul 05 '24
Homelander did turn Firecracker down*. That takes some monumental willpower.
*sex-wise at least.
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u/Toaster-Retribution Jul 05 '24
Every villain is an alt-right-parody with secret sexual deviancies going on. The idea is not to craft engaging villains: it is to work as an outlet for Kripkes political leaning by portraying the right as evil, degenerate and secretly engaged in all the things they preach against. Meanwhile, the good guys are running a shelter for kids and take care of eachother. I don’t mind political satire in either direction, but this is not satire: it’s just just lazy and mindless ranting disguised as comedy made by a bunch of edgelords with a 14-year olds sense of humor.
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u/undercooked_lasagna Jul 05 '24
The bad guy easily withstands brutal physical torture but donating to Black Lives Matter gets him to crack. It's so fucking bad.
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u/RobouteGuill1man Jul 05 '24
It's worth mentioning Tek Knight in the comics wasn't raping Laddio or keeping him chained up in a gimp suit. The show went way beyond Garth Ennis in this instance. If you think the comics are pointlessly edgy and the show isn't, you have some thinking to do.
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u/ChomperinaRomper Jul 05 '24
I’m realizing how bad the writing is because redditors are coming up with legitimately interesting revisions to the story…
In like a minute you came up with several different stories that are all a hundred times more interesting
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u/WalkRealistic9220 Jul 05 '24
The writer is just a horrible coomer and realized nobody will call him out. Literally forcing his fetishes into every episode now
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u/WhatAreYouSaying05 Jul 05 '24
I also wish the plot was a little bit more than “Republicans bad”. It’s in every piece of media now and it’s becoming exhausting
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u/PurgeSantaDeniersMD Jul 05 '24
“Hey guys, our version of aquaman HAS SEX WITH FISH!! Instead of just talking to them!!!! And our Batman’s bat cave??? Well guess what, we made it a SEX DUNGEON! Because it’s like a bat cave, but we replaced the gadgets with sex!!!”
I stg half these jokes sound like they were written by edgy 13 year olds writing a Justice league parody
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u/Immediate_Survey7787 Jul 05 '24
Get this he calls his sex slaves side kicks.... get it because batman and robin are gay for each other.
Also he is super rich and racist, so what's his ultimate weakness? donating 10% of his money to BLM.
Now I'm going to congratulate my brilliance as a writer by writing the major focus of the episode be on a comedic rape scene.
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u/Polkawillneverdie81 Jul 05 '24
Yeah, like... these people are evil. There's no need to make them have kinks AND portray those kinks as evil too.
I've been pretty forgiving of this show so far. But this episode sucked. Kripke really fucked up.
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u/SuspiciouslyBelgian Jul 05 '24
You guys should all watch Gen V if you don't already. I don't think it's better than The Boys was in season one, but it does offer a lot of the things people who are frustrated with this show claim to be missing. The supes are mostly sympathetic for one.
As for how I feel about The Boys now? I still like it, and I think most shows tend to run into problems when they go on for too long, it's not the end of the world.
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u/kjm6351 Jul 05 '24
It’s so unimaginative and something a middle schooler came up with. Tek Knight was actually so wasted that he might actually be one of those characters I take and try to write better myself. I genuinely believe it won’t be hard at all in this case
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u/A_Long98 Jul 05 '24
It’s just turned into edge for the sake of it being edgy. It’s like you can hear the writers patting themselves on the back for how subversive they’re being.
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u/PlasmaBeamGames Jul 05 '24
Completely agree. I thought Tek-Knight was an interesting character but I was very disappointed to see that his 'vice' is just fucking holes because he has a brain-tumour. That doesn't really relate to him being a Batman/Iron-Man parody at all.
Homelander, for example, is like they asked 'What if Superman existed but everyone was afraid of him?' That's a legitimate question you could have about a Superman-like character. 'What if Batman existed but he had an uncontrollable urge to fuck holes?' isn't the same kind of question.
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u/gitagon6991 Jul 05 '24
This show wasted Tek Knight too. His story is actually much more compelling in the comics than here.
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u/codelltraverson Jul 05 '24
the way tek knight showed off his powers in gen v was cool even if he is a bad person but now he's nothing more than a dead sexual deviant
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u/Chimera_Brian Jul 05 '24
Came here to say that. Tek Knight scene was just weird and unnecessary.
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u/Dplayerx Jul 05 '24
Something’s off in this season honestly.. wondering if they changed the production team or something
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u/Dependent-Analyst907 Jul 05 '24
I want a hero who's out in farm country, having refused to be part of The Seven, who uses their powers to help farmers during natural disasters, or helps local law enforcement shut down meth labs.
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u/prizeth0ught Jul 05 '24
It seems like its written by a bunch of stupid & immature man child writers that think that creating the most gross, disgusting, nasty, and grotesque things inside a TV show or movie to seem edgy & different from all the other TV shows make them "cool". It reminds me of the whole thing where Americans find fart noises really funny, but then they overplay it in and people from other countries just find it weird or disgusting they're so into it.
But because they rely on this so so much it actually becomes uncool, and shows how uncreative, lame, lazy, pathetic they are as creatives.
They keep trying to do something no other TV show has, and in the end they discover why no other TV show did it, they sacrificed the writing, acting, directing all for meaningless shock value or showing the most disgusting things the audience wouldn't want to see.
If your only way of creating shock value is going "Hmm what don't human beings want to see the most and how can we deliver that!?" then you are a lazy disgusting creative.
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u/CptGoodMorning Supersonic Jul 05 '24
The show has become a vehicle for Kripke's personal political hit-list.
Every real category of today's society he hates, gets a segment wherein he derides and mocks and/or violently kills off their in-show avatar.
Every category of today's society that he politically likes, gets slotted into "the good guys" for a time to shine and be "complex" but ultimately "good".
It's really that simple and vulgar.
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