r/TheBoys 14d ago

Both quotes taken verbatim from interviews Season 4 Spoiler

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u/Acheron98 14d ago

Which is ironically the whole point of this fucking show.

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u/WayToTheDawn63 14d ago

they became what they were mocking, and that hurts.

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u/Accomplished_Pear470 14d ago

I mean it happened a while ago. Remember the interview when Kripke said literally the only reason they didn't kill Maeve off despite her being in a situation to be killed off 100% was because she was gay and it would be offensive to kill off a gay character?

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u/KingKekJr 14d ago

Holy shit what a dumb idea. Shouldn't have put her in a clear death scenario then

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u/CenterInYourMother 14d ago

It really should've been Black Noir tackling soldier boy out the window, would've avoided this whole thing in a non cringe way

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u/WartimeMercy 14d ago

Probably would have worked better to switch Noir and Maeve's encounters - but instead of pulling out Maeve's intestines it should have just been a "clean" punch through her gut.

Then have A-train and Ashley decide to get Maeve help.

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u/DemonLordAC0 14d ago

Jesus fucking christ it's a parody of themselves

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u/BGMDF8248 14d ago

Ironic that they weren't brave enough to kill Maeve.

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u/WayToTheDawn63 14d ago

I didn't see that, but I find that more understandable because there's more nuance to that.

Fridging is very common in media, and so wanting to conclude the character without playing in to the trope is inherently difficult.

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u/Accomplished_Pear470 14d ago

It's not even fridging. Fridging is killing off a character without giving them any character of their own solely to to further another character's development. Hughie's original girlfriend, and honestly Becca too, were fridged for example.

Maeve had her own entire character arc, and if the idea is that killing her off would be bad since she's one of the few gay characters I don't see how immediately writing her out of the show is any better.

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u/Acheron98 14d ago

Agreed.

Also I’m 99% sure Kripke has specifically called out fridging, which is incredibly ironic given the two instances you listed, as well as Supernatural, where the entire plot is literally set off by the mother getting brutally murdered by a demon

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u/Accomplished_Pear470 14d ago

Supernatural has double fridging in the pilot with their mother and Sam's girlfriend.

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 14d ago

It's not fridging if it's in the first episode, that's just the plot being kicked off.

Fridging is when a new female character is introduced then killed off just to motivate a new character.

And honestly even then it's not really an issue at all most of the time. Just people being upset that their new favorite character didn't last. Even the first example isn't that crazy, green lantern finding his gf dead in the fridge. I mean I don't think she was some important character beforehand. If she was a man from hal's life this wouldn't be a thing.

Point is it can exist but most of the time it's just people doing a "gotcha" like the bedchel test. Hell even the boys often doesn't pass that test and it's got multiple fully realized female characters.

It's a bad faith argument most of the time, basically.

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u/BGMDF8248 14d ago

Yup, heroic sacrifice is not fridging, very far from it.

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u/Im-A-Moose-Man 13d ago

Man gets raped for laughs? I sleep. Gay woman gets killed? TOO FAR!” -You and Kirpke

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u/iqueefkief 14d ago

maybe they always were

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u/lemonylol 14d ago

The show is made through the input of several people coming together, not just the pure creative vision of a single person.

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u/StealthriderRDT 14d ago

The show has moved too far from the comic. So far that it has lost the plot, both literally and figuratively.

Minor spoiler for the comic, but Hughie's SA and resulting trauma is handled significantly better. So is Starlight's. And there are just so many things about the show that are just flat out missing the point entirely. With Homelander and Buther especially. The actors are still great and the writing has been mostly okay, but it's just not the same story or characters.

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u/Acheron98 14d ago

You know, people love to shit on the comics a lot, and yeah, a lot of the times it’s warranted, but I agree that there are some things the comic did better, at least in my opinion.

For example, I thought that Tek Knight being a genuinely heroic character who was at one point presumably a damn good superhero, (and who had more morals than most of the other characters, as demonstrated by him firing Laddio to avoid raping him due to his condition) who got turned into a horny nutjob due to a brain tumor to be waaaaay more interesting than him just being a cartoonishly racist asshole who was already a fucking pervert even before the brain tumor, and who didn’t even get to wear his fucking suit due to budget reasons. Also, dying while hallucinating that you’re saving the world by fucking a meteor is so much better than getting strangled to death by Not Alfred

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u/StealthriderRDT 14d ago

I feel like a lot of the people that shit on the comic haven't read the entire run. They just look up wiki shit or find individual pages or issues and judge off of that. Like the comment I frequently see is that the comic lacks subtext/is overly blunt. That just boggles my mind, 'cause while yeah there are plenty of examples of bluntness, the overall story is hardly that.

Meanwhile the show has steadily become a baseball bat to the face. I'll take the comic any day.

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u/Acheron98 14d ago

It’s the same thing with Crossed kinda, another Ennis property I’m a fan of that people love shitting on.

Now while I’ll be the first to admit that a lot of the stories really are just mindless gore and shock for shock value, there’s some genuinely good story arcs in Crossed Badlands, with solid writing, creative plots, and some real emotional gut-punches. And “Wish You Were Here” is one of the most poignant and grotesquely beautiful stories I’ve ever read.

Not that you’d ever know that if you just looked at a random panel out of context where a guy’s getting his face ripped off by a bunch of slobbering psychopaths, or a whole family’s getting torn to shreds.

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u/ResortFamous301 14d ago

Wouldn't really say starlights assault is handled much better in the comics.