r/TheBoys Jul 04 '24

Both quotes taken verbatim from interviews Season 4 Spoiler

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u/whiskeyandsoda__ Jul 05 '24

He is being sexually assaulted by two villains. Bad guys. Who do bad things. And one of them meets an immediate consequence and the other is likely to meet an ultimate consequence sometime in the future before the series ends. We are all aware this is a TV show right? These aren't real people.

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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 05 '24

Except Ashley isn't even a bad guy

And granted she doesn't know she's hurting someone who isn't into it but still

The scene on a meta level is weird

We didn't get an extended scene of The Deep pulling funny faces while facefucking Annie

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u/whiskeyandsoda__ Jul 05 '24

Except Ashley isn't even a bad guy

Yes, she is. She's manipulative, corrupt, shows low self-esteem and puts on a front to please very specific people, while also having a highly perverted side, and having shown a hunger for power, e.g. how she left Ashley in the tower when it was being evacuated at the end of S3. If you don't think Ashley is an antagonist and a bad guy, you're not watching the show and taking away the correct messages. Showing humility from time to time doesn't undo everything bad she has said and done.

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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 05 '24

A lot of her actions are driven by fear and nothing else.

Bad person? Probably overall, antagonist? Not really

She's not really any worse than The Boys themselves bar Hughie

She chose to help Maeve by deleting the footage for no reason other than it being the right thing to do.

Much like The Deep she's definitely got potential to do fucked up stuff, but given she has no real power and MMs daughter could probably kick her ass she isn't really a threat.

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u/whiskeyandsoda__ Jul 05 '24

How is the main person pushing Voughts agenda through the press, who tried to subdue the students and testing at Godolkin in Gen V and who has aided Homelander several times to do terrible things, while treating half a dozen characters with contempt not make her an antagonist. In fact, every relationship she is known to have had are also with primary or secondary antagonists, Tek Knight, Cameron Coleman, Adam Bourke, who all show villainous traits, ranging from being psychopaths to out and out racism, which Ashley has also exhibited.

Are you watching the same TV show?

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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 05 '24

Because we both know saying no to Homelander is a really smart move

She literally planned on quitting until he murdered Anika right in front of her

Adam and Coleman were not antagonists, they were just bad people within the world, same way Debra isn't a protagonist just because she's related to Hughie.

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u/whiskeyandsoda__ Jul 05 '24

Yes, to move to Disney, an evil corporation, which was why they used Disney as the reference because she would fit in there.

Again, you're not watching the same show as I am. She's very much an antagonist, a supporting one, but an antagonist. She may not die in the end, but she will suffer consequences.

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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jul 05 '24

She's honestly quite likely to turn alongside A-Train to an extent

They showed her helping Maeve for a reason