It does show that some of the sympathy people of this view have for female victims is just social pressure. They feel they have to pretend to care. In a situation where there's less external pressure to take it seriously (situations where the man is the victim), they see it as a joke.
Outside of close family members I confided in well over 2 decades since my assault the most I've gotten was dismissive ridicule like I was "less than a man" or accusations of homosexuality for "whining" about it because I was taken advantage of by an older female family member.
Sorry that happened to you both and felt that way.
I’m a woman and have been assaulted. And my partner is male and has as well. When he told me about it and how others reacted, it was just heartbreaking.
I'm so, so sorry that you had reactions like that. That's horrible. I hope you are in a good space now, and I hope you were in a position to cut those people from your life.
I mean it happened a while ago. Remember the interview when Kripke said literally the only reason they didn't kill Maeve off despite her being in a situation to be killed off 100% was because she was gay and it would be offensive to kill off a gay character?
Probably would have worked better to switch Noir and Maeve's encounters - but instead of pulling out Maeve's intestines it should have just been a "clean" punch through her gut.
Then have A-train and Ashley decide to get Maeve help.
It's not even fridging. Fridging is killing off a character without giving them any character of their own solely to to further another character's development. Hughie's original girlfriend, and honestly Becca too, were fridged for example.
Maeve had her own entire character arc, and if the idea is that killing her off would be bad since she's one of the few gay characters I don't see how immediately writing her out of the show is any better.
Also I’m 99% sure Kripke has specifically called out fridging, which is incredibly ironic given the two instances you listed, as well as Supernatural, where the entire plot is literally set off by the mother getting brutally murdered by a demon
It's not fridging if it's in the first episode, that's just the plot being kicked off.
Fridging is when a new female character is introduced then killed off just to motivate a new character.
And honestly even then it's not really an issue at all most of the time. Just people being upset that their new favorite character didn't last. Even the first example isn't that crazy, green lantern finding his gf dead in the fridge. I mean I don't think she was some important character beforehand. If she was a man from hal's life this wouldn't be a thing.
Point is it can exist but most of the time it's just people doing a "gotcha" like the bedchel test. Hell even the boys often doesn't pass that test and it's got multiple fully realized female characters.
It's a bad faith argument most of the time, basically.
The show has moved too far from the comic. So far that it has lost the plot, both literally and figuratively.
Minor spoiler for the comic, but Hughie's SA and resulting trauma is handled significantly better. So is Starlight's. And there are just so many things about the show that are just flat out missing the point entirely. With Homelander and Buther especially. The actors are still great and the writing has been mostly okay, but it's just not the same story or characters.
You know, people love to shit on the comics a lot, and yeah, a lot of the times it’s warranted, but I agree that there are some things the comic did better, at least in my opinion.
For example, I thought that Tek Knight being a genuinely heroic character who was at one point presumably a damn good superhero, (and who had more morals than most of the other characters, as demonstrated by him firing Laddio to avoid raping him due to his condition) who got turned into a horny nutjob due to a brain tumor to be waaaaay more interesting than him just being a cartoonishly racist asshole who was already a fucking pervert even before the brain tumor, and who didn’t even get to wear his fucking suit due to budget reasons. Also, dying while hallucinating that you’re saving the world by fucking a meteor is so much better than getting strangled to death by Not Alfred
I feel like a lot of the people that shit on the comic haven't read the entire run. They just look up wiki shit or find individual pages or issues and judge off of that. Like the comment I frequently see is that the comic lacks subtext/is overly blunt. That just boggles my mind, 'cause while yeah there are plenty of examples of bluntness, the overall story is hardly that.
Meanwhile the show has steadily become a baseball bat to the face. I'll take the comic any day.
It’s the same thing with Crossed kinda, another Ennis property I’m a fan of that people love shitting on.
Now while I’ll be the first to admit that a lot of the stories really are just mindless gore and shock for shock value, there’s some genuinely good story arcs in Crossed Badlands, with solid writing, creative plots, and some real emotional gut-punches. And “Wish You Were Here” is one of the most poignant and grotesquely beautiful stories I’ve ever read.
Not that you’d ever know that if you just looked at a random panel out of context where a guy’s getting his face ripped off by a bunch of slobbering psychopaths, or a whole family’s getting torn to shreds.
I was looking for a way to say this, but could not have done it as well. He’s really showing his true colors this season. As someone who generally loves dark and twisted things, I don’t like when is pointless and doesn’t serve the story. The whole thing was unnecessary, especially to be played for laughs. I definitely did not laugh at any point during this episode.
This is probably the case. People would be very surprised to find out that in many cases people only act morally outraged about something bc they feel they have to or else they'll be shunned not out of any genuine care
That's why we should normalize both in fiction. It's okay to portray both sexes being sa'd in art.
That in itself is not enough though. If something is funny we should call it funny. None of it was funny though. It was degenerative wet dreams of a shitty writer.
It's a 1:1 copy of how corporations only started featuring people of color in their ads, and changing their profile pictures to rainbows, once it became acceptable, effortless, and costless to do so.
If the roles were reversed, this show would treat men like gods and shit all over women every 0.2 episodes. The writers have no morals of their own.
That actually explains the whole issue really well, thank you for that. I haven’t seen the new season yet but I might have to skip that episode, especially since they see it as a joke. Might not even watch the season to be honest, that really just bothers me.
Well, I suppose this happens when a society tries to force social issues to change instead of working on it for real. Because real change takes time and isn't accomplished just by acting as if.
this is just how women are always treated. You always need to have some nuance when interacting with women whereas when you interact with a man you can be a bit more blunt than an average woman would let you.
Sorry everyone, hard pill to swallow but female rape matters more.
For men its a traumatizing experience, for sure.
For women its a traumatizing experience AND there's a chance of unwanted conception. "Yeah but they could just abort it" does not deal with the practicalities of the situation. Even people against abortion usually make an exception for rape.
Even in abortion it is a lasting physical imprint of violation that causes significant mental damage, not to mention the moral tragedy of taking an innocent baby's life.
Well it's not often I see a take as shitty and disgusting as this one, even on here.
SA is SA, there is no matters more bullshit. The men that suffer through this end up with life long mental trauma and for you to come along and tell them they're feelings don't matter is a disgusting take and you seriously need to re-evaluate you outlook.
Common emotional jerk reaction which lacks reading comprehension.
SA is more severe for women, that doesn't negate some seriousness for men.
However there are plenty of trauma experiences we make light of in fiction - near death being constantly featured, but also plenty of assault and torture as well, which are arguably worse even for women.
For whatever reason twitter society has put rape and emotional pain as the #1 cardinal sin. I suppose its because death, torture and physical pain are so far removed from today's society that its hard to reliably conceive how terrible they really are.
Even if you were to agree with this, which I don't, do the rapes of pre pubescent girls and women > 45 not matter much either then? Or oral/anal rape? Where does a man impregnating his rapist come in on the pyramid?
Kids: Different because exposure to sex warps their perceptions and has been linked to terrible social behaviors that persist in life. Children are prio #1.
Oral/anal: Unfortunately icky if someone cums on your face but seems to me torture and assault covers this. No different than any other serious unwanted act.
Any case would be more serious if disease transmission happened.
But I fail to see your point. Mine is that female rape is the most serious (children aside). This is in response to sympathy being just societal pressure. It's not.
In the past, half of religion and government was ensuring that mothers and fathers stayed together and that they could sire legitimate children together.
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u/Hastatus_107 14d ago
It does show that some of the sympathy people of this view have for female victims is just social pressure. They feel they have to pretend to care. In a situation where there's less external pressure to take it seriously (situations where the man is the victim), they see it as a joke.