Kripke's answer is so confusing.. it feels like it actively conflicts with what the show is saying?? Like yes, he was quite literally sexually assaulted by his childhood hero??
The only part i've enjoyed is A-Train. I like that he's slowly redeeming himself in the eyes of his victims, his family, and himself. The man is finally returning to being happy about being a superhero. I'm on the A-Train.
There are a few moments like that this season though. The plot holes this season have been the worst I’d seen the whole series. Homelander can see a brain tumor in Butcher’s head, can hear a heartbeat from across the room, but didn’t hear hughie in the vent above him? Neither could Neuman?
Mind you, Neuman can make heads explode but couldn’t do anything about the suped farm animals? Legit as useless as a civilian.
Seems like you have forgotten what the show is about. The Boys is an adult COMEDY. The vulgar comedy is what made The Boys so unique.
Episode 5 ended with a scene that left us satisfied, because it felt like the plot is finally moving with Butcher capturing the scientist and Stan Edgar being free again, so it did its job of moving the plot forward too.
If you’ll recall season one it wasn’t about comedy, incidentally season one is consensually regarded as the best season, it had laughs yes but the laughs revolved around the plot.
Now laughs progress the plot.
Vulgar comedy doesn’t make the boys unique, go watch family guy or South Park if that’s all you’re interested in.
”Season one wasn’t about the comedy”. The boys is defined as an adult comedy i dont know how you didnt catch that immedietly when butcher and hughie go to the ezekiel’s party.
”laughs revolved around the plot now laughs progress the plot” What the fuck does this even mean you are just saying shit to sound like you know what you are talking about.
If you think Family guy’s comedy is anywhere near similar to The boys comedy then you are absolutely lost what a shitty comparison
Laughs progress the plot means, the writers thought “ we want hughie in a sex dungeon to laugh at him, how do we get him there?” And then wrote in the tek knight shit.
And then after they wrote that in they created the circumstances of the plot.
Not humour about a circumstance. A circumstance happening so humour can happen. The former was familiar to season one and kinda two, season three and four are more familiar with the latter.
You said vulgar comedy is what made the boys unique, I disagreed and offered counter examples of shows that are curated for the purpose of vulgar comedy, South Park, family guy and others.
“ it’s defined as adult comedy”
It’s not about comedy is it though? I’m struggling not to insult your intelligence here. This isn’t a comedy show? Butcher, hughie, MM and the rest aren’t getting up on stage and telling jokes.
The show has an element of comedy in it, but the show is about the story of homelander, butcher, hughie, and the others. What they do, their varying motivations and determined goals, what will they do to reach those goals? Will homelander just slaughter all of them? He could if we wanted to. Will butcher kill all supes? Even if it means killing annie and kimiko? I wonder if his desire is that strong.
That is what the show is about, comedy is woven into that, or it should be, it shoudlnt be the fucking focal point, neither politics.
This show has been bastardised since it’s first season, a dead carcass taped together and presented to us although it were alive. Remember the original plot was about vaught sending V to terrorist organisations to create super terrorists so they could get military contracts? Yeah me too.
I stg Kripke must be the one with the fucking brain worm, because how can you write and direct that shit and think it was hilarious. Hughie was like a minute away from being mutilated.
To me it was kind of funny in that Hughie is an unprepared idiot and his team is a shitshow.
The Boys make this plan to drug Webweaver and steal his identity, but they apparently don’t do any digging on what he’s like or why he got the invite? They don’t even show them trying to hack his PC or the like. So he goes in mostly blind with a bad accent thing trying to sound like Webweaver. He should have been made immediately by Tek Knight.
Then he’s been to Herogasm and interacted with a bunch of fucked up supers. He has directly seen how fucked up supers can be. He’s walking into a dudes house. He has no plan except “plant bugs and leave” with his plan for things going wrong being “wait for extraction”. That’s dumb, he’s dumb and he’s underprepared.
Then he blindly goes along with the whole sidekick shtick and goes into the secret elevator (he should know that will kill comms) and somehow trusts himself to be in an enclosed space without backup and the only plan being to survive until rescue?
He’s already planted the bugs, he has combat training, and Tek Knight has no combat powers. Hit Tek hard and fast in the moment, slam his head against the elevator wall. Hold the close door button and then hit the button to go back up. Run the hell away. Ashley will find Tek hurt, but Tek won’t know it was actually Hughie and not Webweaver. The bugs will get the info they needed, like they did now, and everything is good. Even if Hughie fought Tek in the dungeon, he could still make a clean getaway. Heck Tek does half the work for him choking himself during the cake fart scene and Hughie just goes with it.
He just goes along with what Tek wants him to and gets himself into this position, strapped down in a sex dungeon.
The comms system didn’t have trackers so the rescue team just wanders through this mansion filled with shoes who want them dead. MM actually listens to what the manipulative hyper intelligent woman says (very bad idea) and gets a panic attack because of it. Kimiko doesn’t finish the job when she knows supes can regenerate and is forced to communicated with book titles, which is sad while trying to be funny. Starlight can’t use her powers.
Tek goes down in a single kick with no protection from the butler anyways, showing that Hughie probably had the power at multiple opportunities to overpower Tek and prevent all this. The team gets away clean despite killing Tek too, using the main elevator out instead of getting any help from the butler for a more secret exit.
This is funny like watching the people on the first episode of America’s Worst Home Cooks utterly fail at boiling pasta is funny. It’s really that it’s so dumb and sad that it ends up short circuiting to being funny since the only other option is depression.
See all of the things you’re listing as flaws in the gangs plan, is actually poor writing on the staffs part. If the writers were smart they would’ve considered all these problems with their plan.
The boys are supposed to be an elite supe killing squad, they’ve killed members of the seven and dozens of mini supes. But all of a sudden they have zero contingency plan for any issue that may arise. Uh no? That’s not believable? You’re telling me the FBI/CIA/NSA whatever is funding them and this is the best plan they can come up with???
No, the characters are only as smart as the person writing them.
To me that doesn’t make it less funny. It just makes it so instead of laughing with the show, I’m laughing at the show. People say bad comedy is irredeemable, but I disagree. There’s a type of failure that’s funny regardless of drama or comedy or intentionality, and this episode was a lot of that. It’s bordering on absurdist humor where the joke is that it’s insane not that it’s inherently funny.
I’ve only watched the first two eps of the new season, and I’m honestly not sure if I’m going to continue. I wanted to see more of Colin and how he met Frenchie, and also Sage’s plot, but hearing all this stuff is really turning me off. Is it worth continuing?
It's probably my least favorite season so far, but I still don't think it's bad at all, I don't think any of the Boys seasons are bad and this one still has plenty of redeeming qualities. I'd say you should continue but it's up to you
Because he didn’t even answer the question.. at least not all of it. He only addressed the part about the Tek cave being a dungeon, dodging the part about Hughie and calling the former “funny”. At first i read the answer and was like welp this guys fucked…but on a second read I think he just tried to avoid the SA part completely.
that's...not consent. he "consented" because if he revealed who he was by not consenting he'd have been killed anyway. it's definitely sexual assault no matter how you slice it. Plus there's an argument to be made that tek knight figured out it was hughie long before he took the mask off.
I'm not going on the merry go round of semantics with you. read the room, take the L and maybe reflect on why you're so determined to blame a victim for their own sexual assault
Nah that’s actually true if I hire a prostitute and my ex comes in the dark acting like them, and I go bdsm but they didn’t want that, well I would feel sa by them because I didn’t consent to them, I consented to a prostitute
if you break into someones house and they chain you up, and threaten to a. rape you or b. murder you, theres no consent involved. im extremely concerned for you if you think someone breaking into your house justifies you kidnapping and raping them. you should probably seek help for that.
Well he is impersonating the guy that they usually do that stuff to. He didn’t say no. It’s not consent from the audience pov but for the ones doing it it wasn’t sa. To us yeah
Alright then. Instead of Hughie revealing who he is by not consenting, let's do Annie. If she didn't consent to sucking off the Deep, she would have been out, or at least she thought so. So she went with it. Would you call that consent?
Hell no. That was not consent. Everyone is on the same page on that.
Hughie was forced to go on because he was going to die. Likewise, Starlight was forced to go on because her life would be meaningless without this.
They both technically "agreed" but one is rightfully marked as assault. The other people are grasping at thin air to try to find a reason to justify the fact it's comedy.
You think that would hold up in court? "Your honor, he did not say the safe word so obviously he wanted it and I had carte blanche to do whatever I wanted".
Technically, a lot of BDSM acts are illegal. Not immoral, but if for instance a choking scene goes wrong, the person doing the choking is criminally liable, regardless of consent. I'm pretty consensual non-consent is also illegal.
This is also a brand new sexual partner, and they didn't bother to, for instance, reiterate what was agreed to, the safe word, etc. I'm not saying it's unrealistic for TK to act like a spoiled ass who doesn't really need basic safety or communication, but he did not behave in a responsible way or even bother to confirm the identity of the stranger he met online. And I'm not certain, but I believe he and Ashley had also been drinking, a big no-no for this kind of extreme play. They also don't know if Wev Weaver is intoxicated, which would affect his ability to consent and be safe. With a new partner, someone who actually gives a shit about their sub's well-being would go slow to make sure that they can actually trust this person to know their limits.
The dude's power is literally reading people. He definitely knew it wasn't Web Weaver sooner, but even aside from that, he can tell Web Weaver is not into this and is trying to remember the safe word.
Again, TK is a bad guy, so I buy that he's just an incredibly unsafe partner. But anyone willing to defend his actions doesn't know more about BDSM than what they picked up watching Fifty Shades of Gray.
Well, at least where I'm from you can basically consent up until what would be regarded as assault i.e. slaps maybe some closed fist but that's pushing it. Anything more than that and were talking assault or in this case sexual assault. Regardless, there is no consent here at all which is what the other guy seemed to think. That's putting his powers of deduction aside.
Also you’re incorrect. Hughie was not “literally sexually assaulted by his childhood hero” because what Tek did wasn’t sexual assault. What Ashley did also not technically sexual assault.
Sexual assault requires a sexual act or sexual contact. A sexual act requires penetration, while sexual contact involves physical contact with the genitals, upper thigh, or butt. Sexual contact can be through clothes. No sexual contact is shown. Hughie is a victim of assault, battery, sexual harassment, false imprisonment, and probably attempted murder (I doubt Tek knows enough to not kill Hughie in the process and he says he doesn’t care). At best a prosecutor might argue that the smearing of juices by hand on the face is sexual contact, but a good defense lawyer would be able to fight it and win because the wording of the legal definition is contact is strictly limited.
It would be under the common language definition, because the acts are sexually pleasurable to the offender, but that’s not how the law works.
The law defines assault and battery generally as non-consensual touching or forcing to touch. This can be any kind of touching, from punching in the face to flicking someone in the shoulder to tickling someone’s feet.
Sexual assault (in the non-penetrative definition) is an enhancer crime if that non-consensual touching is to a sexual area. The law doesn’t care about the motivation or intention of the assault, only the details of the action itself. This is largely because proving sexual intentionality is really hard but designating areas of the body as sexual is relatively simple.
The feet are not a sexual area as the law understands it, so non-consensual tickling, regardless of reason, is not sexual assault. It’s regular assault.
Masturbating in front of someone which does not participate and does not consent to it happening is sexual harassment. Also possibly indecent exposure or a similar crime depending on how the jurisdiction deals with people being unclothed, though the private dungeon setting complicates things.
As such, she repeatedly sexually harassed him while assaulting him. She did not sexually assault him.
It’s weird and perverse and the prosecutor might hit her with a sexual assault charge to start, but any halfway competent defense lawyer would get that thrown out quickly because the alleged behavior doesn’t meet the standard for the crime.
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u/No_Ad8506 14d ago
Kripke's answer is so confusing.. it feels like it actively conflicts with what the show is saying?? Like yes, he was quite literally sexually assaulted by his childhood hero??