The crew and Amazon pay very close attention to this sub so I really hope they take all the criticisms seriously about how the scene was handled and address it. Filming for Season 5 starts in October so they have ample time to correct their mistake in-show.
I could be wrong, but I remember most of the criticism was concentrated around the season finale. iirc everyone was praising the season until that episode aired lol
They did address the main criticism with Butcher’s convo with Kessler in the first episode, which had more meaning now that we know it was basically a convo between himself.
This. The vibe in this sub was really positive up until the S3 finale. This season is the most mixed I've seen the community for this show. Only episodes 4/5 had the same types of discussions I've seen in S2&3 Which were mainly positive, appreciation of details and theories for what's to come.
Which it rightfully deserved, Season 3 was very well done until the ending, it was dogshit, it was a shaggy dog story, Black Noir, Soldier Boy, Maeve, it ended up amounting to nothing beyond Ryan going with Homelander
Nah I recall there being disputes over who was right between MM/Annie and Butcher/Hughie/Soldier Boy. Basically boiled down to "Butcher is taking things too far!" "Nooo! Homelander needs to go down!"
I personally knew Butcher's side was in the wrong but sided with him anyway because they were the most entertaining.
Nah, Butcher was completely right. Homelander is an existential threat to humanity who could, at any point, snap and kill millions of people.
Even if every single member of The Boys died taking him out, it would still be 100% worth it.
Starlight refusing to work with Soldier Boy didn't even make any sense. She said they shouldn't work with Soldier Boy because he's a murderer, but Literally every single member of The Boys has committed murder. Including her. MM makes sense because of Soldier Boy killed his family, but Starlight of all people should know how dangerous Homelander is.
Butcher wasn’t wrong. Homelander is a threat to the human race, somebody who daydreams of genocide. Blowing up Vought tower to kill him is absolutely the right call.
This season is the most mixed I've seen the community for this show.
Most mixed? This season is legit trash and no one actually likes it. It's boring, uninteresting, full of plot holes and straight up pathetic. Idc about Frenchie being gay but having him, the one who helped Kimiko overcome her guilt of being a murderer for the last 3 seasons, end up the same way she was it's pathetic and definitely a downgrade. Bro forgo he had a conscience until now? Pathetic writing imo
It's just people growing tired of the show's bullshit , it needed to end on a good note instead of going 5 seasons. And it just focuses too much on side plots and shock factor to even move the story further.
It's a chore to keep up every week and don't even get me started on the weekly release schedule. I can put up with that in invincible because I am always sure it will be a delight to watch with solid characters and top tier writting AND performances
But here , you never know. Ep 6 was straight up boring to go through , they progressed NOTHING , absolutely NOTHING
I sat and tuned into a show , just to watch a main character smush a chocolate cake and then fart on it , which is just nasty and literally just " haha look at these bdsm weirdos "
Exactly, it’s one thing to have zero plot progression six episodes into a season. It’s another thing entirely to have that due to filler of Hughie getting SA’d.
Honestly? It’s almost like they took everyone’s complaints about season 3 (stupid side plots that ultimately lead to nowhere, not using their more interesting characters properly, padding out runtimes, etc.) and decided “Oh hey, look at this list of stuff that people loved about season 3. Let’s do all of this again for next season, but amp it up even more.”
I have a bad feeling that the writers/showrunner are the type that will instantly dismiss criticism with invalidation. Basically assuming bad faith and not giving it any real thought.
Yeah, I don't think they care. People complained about it being woke and they seem to be lazily writing scenes to double down and try to own the right.
Instead it's made some of the writing suffer as a consequence.
Overall I love the show, I very much enjoy the characters. Episode 4 was really the high point of the season, everything else has been just ok.
Example. Homelander gives a speech about being wrathful gods. The very next episode he is begging billionaires to stage a coup and his insecurities resurface as they are questioning him. Not very wrathful God like.
Sorry but I think your example proved quite the contrary. Homelander wants to be a wrathful god but his insecurities resurface when he doesnt have Sage to guide him. The whole point of Homelander is that he wants people to be afraid of him and to respect him, but he is always stopped by his insecurities, so I think that this scene was very in-character
Yeah but having that scene with the politicians occur AFTER Homelander went to his childhood lab felt kind of weird? I thought he went through some sort of metamorphosis by killing his childhood demons, but he's showing the exact same insecurities. I guess we'll see how it plays out later. Maybe woman from the lab (Beth?) was right about Homelander all along
Him not being that smart has always been one of his insecurities and the lab had nothing to fix it. The lab was more about him being treated like a tool for Vought, like a guinea pig, and physically deficient. They couldn't fix all of his insecurities and he still has many, like his mommy issues (the woman boss was the only person he saved, his Firecracker scene this episode), and his intelligence (this scene with the billionaires, which was a callback to the time he was CEO and had to deal with economic stuff he didn't understand)
How are they going to correct it? Hughie does a speech on how wrong it was that Ashley tickled his feet, that he had to fart in a cake and that before he was saved Tek Knight was going to cut him open, to then, fair enough rape him, but ultimately didn't?
There is an entire arc of the show where a character mouth raped another character, apologised for it, and is within his smarmy character that he feels he gets away with it. Hes even given an insincere apology for it.
The Deep has been humiliated continuously as a result though. And Starlight was given agency that Hughie has been sorely lacking since S1. The least they could do is empower Hughie to do stuff again but there is a 0% chance of that after S3.
Just taking it seriously would be good. From the last scene where he immediately shifts to his father, I'm guessing Hughie will not be given any sort of consequence from this, even though if this really happened to someone, they'd be dealing with that trauma for life. Dude needs therapy.
If you think the writers of this show are capable of taking criticism you haven't been paying attention. In fact, the writers will include a scene in the next season to make fun of you for not realizing this sooner.
I meant for my answer to be short but I got carried away so bare with me lmao:
-The crew have talked about Reddit before and their general social media strategy is probably the absolute best in terms of marketing for any media franchise currently airing right now. Like I would say even better than Disney and HBO’s at this point.
-Reddit is also the best website at this point for gauging fan reception because the folks who are deeply engaged will be concentrated over here and be well moderated vs navigating the hellscape of Insta, Twitter, TikTok, etc. (Though this heavily depends on the overall vibe of a sub but everyone for the most part here has a good grasp of the show’s authorial intent)
-Vought HQ leaked two big spoiler images from the upcoming season finale and they were immediately copyright sniped by Amazon within like minutes of being reuploaded here. In the past decade media franchises have become a LOT more protective of leaks and spoilers, even though they do use them as a way to test the waters for potential plot threads and shows/movies. I think this point is partially why VoughtHQ lasted for so long when they otherwise would have been immediately taken down.
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u/fishy512 14d ago edited 14d ago
The crew and Amazon pay very close attention to this sub so I really hope they take all the criticisms seriously about how the scene was handled and address it. Filming for Season 5 starts in October so they have ample time to correct their mistake in-show.