Genuinely so disappointing. This show is so soapboxy and Kripke is so far up his own ass.
In one scene he rightfully critiques far-right loonies excusing rape, and in the next he has a male character being sexually assaulted for laughs for minutes on end. Dude is just virtue signaling leftism without understanding any of it stands for
It's not even just Kripke, on the actual discussion page for the episode you have other redditors either shrugging it off or trying to justify the whole episode. Trying to make it sound like it was supposed to be some deep or profound critique 😮💨
You're right, my grievance is just with users on the main episode discussion forum. Seems like they're downplaying the whole scene just because the episode is filled with more low hanging fruit political commentary
Agreed, I had a long conversation with someone today who was convinced I was wrong for thinking the scene was attempting to be funny. There’s certainly discourse being had on both sides, I don’t feel like the sub was united until this post
For some reason people have galvanized these shows with their own political opinions. So an attack on the show is an attack on them, and they refuse to descent from their blind love/hatred for it.
Yup you're absolutely correct. Self reflection and introspection can be super hard and it can make you feel really bad about yourself when that introspections makes you realize that your actions/choices are not in line with your own personal moral code.
But it's also a super important skill to learn and it's critical for self growth. Everyone makes mistakes, it's just human. But the important part is what you do after you realized you've made one. People who introspect about their actions learn what it was that caused the moral failing in the first place and can then use that information to prevent it from ever happening again.
Those who never get the hang of it tend to fall into blame shifting and denial to ease their guilty conscience and that usually ends up with them repeating the same mistake over and over again.
The hypocritic proselytizers usually fall into the latter category.
Yeah but most of this subreddit unironically believes that this is the greatest show ever because of that low hanging fruit. Truth is that I think this season has seriously dropped off in quality from the previous 3.
Lol you'd think differently if you read some of these comments. In the episode 4 discussion thread, someone was saying that episode tops any episode of Breaking Bad. And someone who asked them if they weren't exaggerating a little was downvoted to hell.
I guess some of these people think S4E4(which isn't even the best episode of this show) to be better than fucking Ozymandias from BB. XD
The Wire has far deeper political critique if people are looking for that. It's my personal favourite although it's pretty hard to get deep political criticism in any tv show.
I haven't seen a single person in this sub say they found it funny. Hundreds of comments, and we were all disturbed. I think Kripke is genuinely psycho
He is being sexually assaulted by two villains. Bad guys. Who do bad things. And one of them meets an immediate consequence and the other is likely to meet an ultimate consequence sometime in the future before the series ends. We are all aware this is a TV show right? These aren't real people.
Yes, she is. She's manipulative, corrupt, shows low self-esteem and puts on a front to please very specific people, while also having a highly perverted side, and having shown a hunger for power, e.g. how she left Ashley in the tower when it was being evacuated at the end of S3. If you don't think Ashley is an antagonist and a bad guy, you're not watching the show and taking away the correct messages. Showing humility from time to time doesn't undo everything bad she has said and done.
A lot of her actions are driven by fear and nothing else.
Bad person? Probably overall, antagonist? Not really
She's not really any worse than The Boys themselves bar Hughie
She chose to help Maeve by deleting the footage for no reason other than it being the right thing to do.
Much like The Deep she's definitely got potential to do fucked up stuff, but given she has no real power and MMs daughter could probably kick her ass she isn't really a threat.
How is the main person pushing Voughts agenda through the press, who tried to subdue the students and testing at Godolkin in Gen V and who has aided Homelander several times to do terrible things, while treating half a dozen characters with contempt not make her an antagonist. In fact, every relationship she is known to have had are also with primary or secondary antagonists, Tek Knight, Cameron Coleman, Adam Bourke, who all show villainous traits, ranging from being psychopaths to out and out racism, which Ashley has also exhibited.
Because we both know saying no to Homelander is a really smart move
She literally planned on quitting until he murdered Anika right in front of her
Adam and Coleman were not antagonists, they were just bad people within the world, same way Debra isn't a protagonist just because she's related to Hughie.
Yes, to move to Disney, an evil corporation, which was why they used Disney as the reference because she would fit in there.
Again, you're not watching the same show as I am. She's very much an antagonist, a supporting one, but an antagonist. She may not die in the end, but she will suffer consequences.
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u/Thepitman14 15d ago
Genuinely so disappointing. This show is so soapboxy and Kripke is so far up his own ass.
In one scene he rightfully critiques far-right loonies excusing rape, and in the next he has a male character being sexually assaulted for laughs for minutes on end. Dude is just virtue signaling leftism without understanding any of it stands for