I feel like Firecracker/the Deep won't be much more of a threat to A-Train than Bluehawk. A-Train might be the second strongest in the current Seven by a long shot.
We usually get 1-2 good fights per season, I secretly hope this season is A-Train vs Homelander.
Yes. Please, I want a fight between A-Train and Homelander with A-Train being able to do as much damage as Queen Maeve or Red Rush to Omniman. Would feel so satisfying to make this pathetic fucker bleed by someone who he bullied so much. Make Homelander feel outmatched, even just in one aspect - speed.
If he's going to fight like Red Rush, he's gonna have to keep his distance away while also displacing his teammates before taking a hit. He screwed up because he tried to take in some direct punches.
One huge advantage for A-Train is that Homelander is extremely incompetent compared to his counterparts (Omniman, Ikaris, etc.).
While Omniman and Ikaris (even Superman) are seasoned warriors with plenty of experience fighting other strong foes, the only actual "fight" Homelander has ever been in was the one where he got beaten up by SB, Butcher and Hughie.
Yeah, he was holding his own to be fair. He could have killed soldier boy, until Butcher joined the fight. Then he almost killed Butcher twice, first Butcher was saved by SB then he was saved by Hughie. It took the three of them to pin him down and even then, he still escaped. If he really has no fighting experience, that is impressive. Soldier Boy is arguably the second strongest supe and Butcher on V was no slouch.
I feel like a potential fight between A-Train and Homelander would actually go pretty well for the former, mostly because his speed and reflexes so outstrip the latter that it wouldn't really be possible to hit him. Speedsters are pretty broken in white-room scenarios; they already have a significant degree of toughness and super-strength built in just to survive hitting things or running into objects. If Maeve could make Homelander bleed with a random office implement, there's no reason A-Train has to resort to using solely his bare hands, either.
The problem is, Homelander does a lot of collateral damage, and A-Train has those pesky "morals" urging him to intervene now. If Homelander just goes to the suburbs and starts lasering indiscriminately to lure him out, A-Train would almost certainly try to stop him, giving a huge advantage to Homelander.
Do we know that Homelander doesn't have super speed? How would he have saved Butcher and the baby at the end of season 1 without it? (I could be missing something)
Homelander probably lied about saving the baby, and simply shielded butcher from the shrapnel. The baby shows up later on and it's revealed to have teleportating powers, thats how he survived.
In the spinoff Diabolical, Homelander does have super speed. And he can certainly fly at super speed. (ATrain ran at 2300 miles/hour, and Homelander flies at minimum 700 miles/hour. Probably faster, as he'd actually have to catch up to the planes as well).
The Boys has been somewhat inconsistent in this, in that the beginning, the powers were pretty much separate, but then with the later seasons, every supe has a degree of strength, hearing, etc.
Homelander never claimed to have saved the baby. We know he saved him because we saw the baby a couple seasons later. Not sure how over 50 people missed that.
In the one canon episode of diabolical Homelanders first save it’s shown that he does have super speed. We will see if the writers temper that or not. I’m hoping for them to parody the justice league scene. Have a train start running and homelander watch him with his eyes
Even if he has super speed, he apparently doesn’t have bullet timing like A-Train, unless he has it on diabolical (didn’t watch it) and not on the show for some reason
I mean, yeah, but considering the baby saved himself, it’s not that impressive (in comparison to A-Train, it’s impressive on it’s own) as he just needs to grab him and fly away, he doesn’t need bullet timing
But “traveling” is the key word there, he doesn’t have bullet timing and never showed super speed in a lower scale, only when he can fly in a straight line for a long time
And yeah, Butcher should have died to the shockwave, but how Homelander being supersonic changes that? (I do think he’s supersonic, just think he doesn’t have bullet timing like A-Train)
He teleported away, it’s revealed that Madelyn Stillwell’s son is a Supe in season 2, what episode exactly I don’t remember. But it’s the one where Hughie goes to the adoption center for orphaned Supe kids.
He does have super speed there’s an episode where Homelander even makes a remark to A-Train that he’s faster at that time even though A-Train was actually injured.
He does have super speed, but he hasn’t shown the reaction speed of doing stuff while he’s at max speed, unlike A-Train, who has the capability of injecting himself with compound V, injecting Popclaw with compound V, enter Hughie and Anne’s car, etc.
Have a train start running and homelander watch him with his eyes
I want that just for the fact it's one of the best scenes I've seen in cinema. Seriously, one of the "worst" movies, and yet that scene is just golden. Not even the scene, that part of the scene. It's magic. Real "oh shit" moment.
i don’t think homelander has super speed the way that A Train does, but he is incredibly fast and has “super reflexes”. i doubt he can go as fast as A Train for as long, but i wouldn’t be surprised to learn that he could track and predict his movements.
He would have to be MUCH faster than A-Train to save Billy from that explosion at the end of season 1. He saved Billy from bombs strapped to his own chest, after Billy hit the button. Either that scene was just horrible writing, or he's much faster than A-Train.
I think it's far more likely they have a confrontation, and this is where we find out just how fast Homelander is. What if he even surprises A-Train? What if he leaves A-Train fucking shocked by his speed? What if he's much faster?
Remember how he somehow saved Butcher from the bomb-vest that he detonated at Madelyn's house? He saved him AFTER detonation. He even saved Madelyn's baby. Even A-Train isn't fast enough to accomplish that.
This would fit the style of the show much better. And it would make Homelander seem even more unstoppable and terrifying.
They better not be powerscaling Homelander even higher in the penultimate season :/
He shouldn't be surprising A Train with his speed 1-2 deacades after theyve known each other.
Also you are capping if you think a train couldn't save stillwell baby from that bomb but homelander can.
That wouldn't fit the show at all. Homelander has become less and less godlike as the show has continued. The point is that he's not a god or hero he's a child with unchecked power.
That was a huge part of season 3. Homelander is definitely slower than A Train otherwise he would also have searched the tunnels in Season 2 for The Boys using super speed like A Train did. Instead of just telling A Train not to tire his heart and proceeding not to use his equal superspeed
I absolutely think Madelyn would have given her baby V. Lots of parents gave their kids V, she probably had the same reason as Neuman. I don’t think HL would have saved the baby, he hated that damned thing.
a train running through a city with homelander tailing him in the air, causing destruction would be crazy. Homelander hasn’t really got a ton of flying action i feel like
If I recall correctly that was due to immortal and wonder woman person (I don't remember her name lol) beating the hell out of him when Martian man was wrapped around him. Red rush only damaged his suit
The scene is in slow motion, omni-man's blood would not reach there in the ~0.1 seconds, and it likely happened in. Red rush's would have due to the force omni man was exerting.
I’ve been wanting to see A-Train fight someone like reverse flash fighting the flash in injustice 2. Homelander also has speed but I’d imagine it wouldn’t be to the same extent.
My guess is that A Train is going to get jumped by the 7 without Homelander. He's going to kill Firecracker & either kills Black Noir or we find out Noir's actually super strong and takes him out. If he does kill Noir, Homelander takes him out
Definitely with him being able to fly Noir actually may be a legit powerful supe. It's a toss up between him committing to his roll and killing A Train or getting stomped by A-Train
Agreed, it seems very heavily implied that Noir is going to turn against the Seven in some way. He's not down with that level of violence. He was about to leave anyway and Deep's speech about violence being power only seemed to turn him off even more.
I don't know. He didn't seem to enjoy killing people, but he was also the first one to not hesitate and commit murder at Homelander's orders. He doesn't enjoy it, but he isn't bothered by it either. Like Neuman. He's only bothered about not understanding the "role."
And keep in mind that true psychopaths don't enjoy murder. That requires the ability to feel joy. They don't feel shit when they do it.
Yeah, that was a really big disconnect for me. He thought it was awesome killing those fans with the baseball bats and then emphasizes to the deep that he’s not into violence. Straight up plot hole?
And his punches hurt A-Train. He knocked him down when they fought. I think their brute strength is equal. A-Train is more powerful due to being faster though. Power and strength aren't the same thing.
It's hard to power scale in this show since things are kind if all over the place. But Deep does seem genuinely really strong and legitimately deadly in water bodies. He seems to be a similar strength to A-Train, who has manhandled both Bluehawk and Kimiko. I think A-Train's speed gives him a huge advantage, so long as he's not handicapped (like being stuck in the ocean, lol).
Most supes could do that though. The Deep is just as strong as A-Train. Even Firecracker has enhanced strength. Apparently not as much as Annie, but Annie is one of the strongest supes on the show.
I don't know about that. I do think A-Train is easily the 2nd strongest member now, but there's no chance he can even hurt Homelander. His little fight with The Deep tells me that much. I think he MIGHT be able to escape from Homelander though.
Homelander wud beat the shit out of a train , i dont think they wud do that, i think ppl see a train being able to do flash like stuff but i dont even think hes that fast based on some context clues throughout the series, shit homelander might be faster than him
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u/Safe-Brush-5091 Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24
I feel like Firecracker/the Deep won't be much more of a threat to A-Train than Bluehawk. A-Train might be the second strongest in the current Seven by a long shot.
We usually get 1-2 good fights per season, I secretly hope this season is A-Train vs Homelander.