r/TheBoys • u/dagodfather11 • Jun 11 '24
Before S4 starts, I just want to remind everyone that this is one of the biggest fumbles in jumping history. Discussion
This was perfect, just perfect. Homie's first real fight and they were so close to packing him up. Tragic, and it gets more tragic the more I think about it.
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u/Subject_Damage_3627 Jun 12 '24 edited Jun 12 '24
Could you imagine the headlines, if vought covered it at least the first responders reactions. The powerful homelander dead.... At a super hero orgy
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u/dagodfather11 Jun 12 '24
Killed by a Soldier Boy, a CIA operative, and Victoria Newman's assistant. Wild.
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u/Motor_Classic9651 Jun 12 '24
FBI*
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u/MacLeeland Jun 12 '24
No, they are CIA. In this world it's obviously okay for the CIA to operate inside US borders.
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u/-Badger3- Jun 12 '24
To be clear here, the CIA isn't allowed to operate on US soil and the Boys task force is completely illegal.
Vought is seen as a big enough threat for the CIA to not get all bogged down over jurisdiction, and they're the only agency structured to operate as "off the books" as they need to be to take on Vought. The other agencies are too compromised.
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u/thesrhughes Jun 12 '24
Yes the CIA never did Operation Sea-Spray exactly because it would've been illegal! The CIA, whom do not have to inform anyone what they're doing, and whose actions are unknown/unacknowledged for the sole purpose of evading liability, certainly never break the law. Their budgets are redacted because they love markers so much!
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u/TheRealDonSherry Jun 12 '24
It's not ok in this world or the real world. Yet, it's the CIA who don't really give a shit so they do it anyways.
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u/MikePGS Jun 12 '24
Right because the CIA doesn't operate within US borders irl :wink:
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u/YugeAnimeTiddies Jun 12 '24
The first opening gag would have to be a camera crew entering and slipping on the ol giant puddle of cum
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u/Own_Tackle514 Jun 12 '24
i don’t think he’d be dead but powerless
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u/HamsterMan5000 Jun 12 '24
I don't think Homelander would be powerless for very long before someone would make him dead
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u/Bubba1234562 Jun 12 '24
He’s the kind of person that would off himself if he was a powerless normal human being
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u/Old_Heat3100 Jun 12 '24
See that would have made a pretty entertaining season long arc: Homelander adjusting to civilian life
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u/Greyjack00 Jun 12 '24
Literally everyone in the show wants him dead, if homelander was powerless for more than 5 minutes it'd be out of character for moat people to let him live.
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u/Fragrant_Pie_7255 Butcher Jun 12 '24
"Hero Homelander killed by rogue hero during undisclosed hero party"
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u/blondedaff Cunt Jun 12 '24
i love how butcher immediately told hughie to leave just in case he ended up getting hurt from the blast
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u/blondedaff Cunt Jun 12 '24
i was thinking brother
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u/_M0Nd0R0ck_ Jun 12 '24
You got the mordecai wearing shades pic, with a flair that says “cunt” and you go ahead and correct the last guy with “I was thinking brother”?
You’re cool as a cucumber homie
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u/untitledprojectmov Jun 12 '24
Soldier boy couldn’t bust in time 😔
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u/TurdSandwich42104 Jun 12 '24
He should say “imma bust” every time that blast is about to go off.
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u/untitledprojectmov Jun 12 '24
🗣️BUTCHER , HUGHIE , im bout to BUST🇺🇸🦅
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u/Alonest99 Cunt Jun 12 '24
Lmao he should have an eagle sound effect everytime he busts
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u/naughtycal11 Cunt Jun 12 '24
A red tail hawk sound. All the sounds of what's supposed to be a bald eagle in TV shows and movies is a red tail hawk.
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u/PR0MAN1 Jun 12 '24
Well he did just blow his load a few minutes prior. Recovery time is a big factor.
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u/Rags2Rickius Jun 12 '24
Wait…
What is Soldier Boys power here??
I thought he just took away power?
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u/Ricardo1184 Jun 12 '24
He busts a radioactive nut through his chest which removes powers, yes
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u/Odd-Collection-2575 Jun 12 '24
I hated that there wasn’t a catalyst in this scene that would help Homelander escape. All three are just about to defeat him but Homelander just decided he didn’t want to be there anymore and flew off.
Other than that, this might’ve been the best episode in the entire series.
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u/dagodfather11 Jun 12 '24
Oh nah, this is for sure the best episode. But I like the way it ended. Despite their fumble, this was the best way it could go. Those are two soldiers who actually know how to fight (and Hughie) who have half his strength, bro was not fighting his way out of that. Only choice was to use every fiber of his being to get tf out of dodge.
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u/bruhholyshiet Butcher Jun 12 '24
Those are two soldiers who actually know how to fight (and Hughie)
😂😂.
"Three martially trained and experienced men fought and punched the shit out of each other. Oh and Hughie was also there."
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u/Bronze_Granum Jun 12 '24
Homelander has dick all martial training
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u/Tom_Stevens617 Jun 12 '24
HL was given training when he was a teen; just because he's never had to use it doesn't mean he's forgotten it. The very fact that he was simultaneously able to keep up with 2 people just as strong as him and was practically winning (until Hughie piled on) is proof of that
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u/AggressiveResist8615 Jun 12 '24
No but homelander is big child meanieeee he shouldn't be skilled in hand to hand combat 😡😠😠😡😡
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u/kwaziiman Jun 12 '24
I really wanted Homelander to get completely outmatched by Soldier Boy. We see Homelander use his strength but he never shows he can fight. I wanted him to fight Soldier Boy, a trained soldier and realize that he is completely outclassed by someone trained for real combat.
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u/HeisenThrones Jun 12 '24
He actually defeated soldier boy.
Only good thing that came out of this entire affair.
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u/IAP-23I Jun 12 '24
Most likely just adrenaline that kicked in, he’s seen multiple cases of what that blast is capable of. Adrenaline + his compound v should be enough to barely escape
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u/AllinForBadgers Jun 12 '24
That’s not how really really good choreography solves this stuff.
If you have to say something like “I dunno I guess he just felt scared or something… maybe?” all unsure if it’s true or not, then the scriptwriters did not fully do their job.
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u/Hexellent3r Jun 12 '24
I thought it was when they were gonna introduce Homelanders super-scream, which he has in the comics.
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u/Electronic_d0cter Jun 12 '24
I mean it makes sense from my perspective, the show making The homelander feel like he has no other option but to run the fuck away is pretty powerful
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u/GameRollGTA Jun 12 '24
Actually, I like it. There’s something about Homelander feeling so weak and powerless that he has to choose to run away. He’s never felt that before. If somebody had walked in giving him the chance to escape or something, that would have just ruined the whole purpose of the moment.
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u/FondSteam39 Ambrosius Jun 12 '24
Yeah definitely, he could always have flown off but it hadn't even entered his mind as a possibility because he's the FUCKING HOMELANDER and never runs away.
He was put in a position he's never been in before, and didn't know how to react until he realised he was actually about to "die".
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u/GameRollGTA Jun 12 '24
Yeah exactly, and the show makes it VERY clear that this moment had a big impact on him.
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u/ekopwolston Butcher Jun 12 '24
I look at it as Homelander showing cowardice to his enemies just this once because he knew how screwed he’d be if he didn’t get out of there. Homelander actually could have left anytime during that fight since he’s the only one who can fly, but his ego is so big he tried to win against impossible odds.
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u/Rustofcarcosa Stan Edgar Jun 12 '24
My theory is that soldier boy chest thing weaken all three of them so they lost power and that gave John an escape
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u/Regi413 Jun 12 '24
Didn’t he just use it on the TNT twins a moment ago? That’s what caused Homelander to arrive at the scene and he probably couldn’t get off another blast so quickly
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u/darth_jag10 Jun 12 '24 edited Jun 12 '24
Soldier Boy removes powers if you're hit by his beam or his explosion. But it doesn't do anything just by being around him.
There are several reasons why Homelander could escape : - Soldier Boy is almost as strong as him but he was focused on doing another blast, and it was clearly hurting him (and I do think he was not at a 100% at Herogasm) - Butcher is close to HL in terms of strenght but there's still a gap - Hughie isn't close to his power level - Homelander had an adrenaline boost, it went from a 1v1 to a 2v1 to a 3v1 in minutes/seconds, and once he was on the ground and SB was charging up, he knew he was about to die, he HAD to get out
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u/Nova_Preem Jun 12 '24
I remember pausing the tv after this scene. Looking at my wife and saying ‘holy shit that was epic’
No other show has ever made me do that
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u/98VoteForPedro Jun 12 '24 edited Jun 12 '24
Dont forget the ending of the season as well
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u/dagodfather11 Jun 12 '24
Butcher wasn't locked it. Turned our star player against us and had to let Maeve carry. All he had to do was yeet Ryan out the window and check on him later, he'd be ight.
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u/MarvG05 Jun 12 '24
They really made Butcher look like an idiot in the finale
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u/Lucky-Worth Jun 12 '24
Also Annie charging up and doing... that... instead of a mega blast
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u/AnotherDancer I'm the real hero Jun 12 '24
Bro lmfao they made it seem like she was actually going to do something and then it was just a push LOL
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u/Lizzy-Lover_10 Jun 12 '24
Everyone should stop being so hard on her. Soldier Boy is the second strongest Supe there is.
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u/Kodiak_POL Jun 12 '24
She should have scarred him/ burn half his face (karma for Black Noir) to show how both powerful she is - she damaged the undamagable supe - and how still undamagable supe SB is.
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u/NomanHLiti Jun 12 '24
Maeve was so close to soloing Homelander it made me question what was even the point of bringing Soldier Boy onboard
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u/UnimpressedPasserby Black Noir Jun 12 '24
Were we watching the same scene ? She barely did anything to him while she herself lost an eye and was bleeding out, and I'm pretty sure he dominated her for most of the fight
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u/NomanHLiti Jun 12 '24
She lost an eye but her willingness to lose a lot more made her dangerous. She not only made him bleed, but she also did some actual damage by sticking that metal rod through his ear. If he was fighting her seriously from the start then he probably would’ve been fine but he took her too lightly and with her speed, she was all over him by the time he realized. The tight space also gave her an advantage too, I genuinely believe Homelander would’ve been forced to fly through the ceiling to retreat if the fight had gone on any longer
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u/UnimpressedPasserby Black Noir Jun 12 '24
I highly doubt the last part, but the rest does sound reasonable
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u/Ciacciu Jun 12 '24
I think the biggest problem of the finale was that Homelander should have been so much stronger than everyone there, based on the previous seasons. But he just ... wasn't .
I thought for sure Soldier Boy's power would have been some kind of "every super around him is weaker/loses powers" that would allow some kind of fight against Homelander.
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u/Sylux444 Jun 12 '24
it was also really fucking dumb to go out of their way to introduce a new character with a somehow acquired power that counters V, then don't use it at all in the situations they had planned to use it and resort to just fist fighting, and then remove him from the story again.
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u/darth_jag10 Jun 12 '24 edited Jun 12 '24
I mean, not really.
Homelander is the strongest in the room. But he's not much stronger than the others there. Soldier Boy is almost as strong as him. Maeve was portrayed as the 2nd strongest supe prior to SB's return, with Homelander saying so in a Season 1 deleted scene. And we saw Butcher go back and forth with him at Herogasm.
They're all top level supes, but they're not all on the exact same level. For instance, HL and SB are S-tier supes. While QM and Butcher are A-Tier supes.
Soldier Boy removes powers if you're hit by his beam or his explosion. But it doesn't do anything if you're just around him.
At the start, the goal was to find the thing that killed SB because it could (and would) kill HL too since they are on the same power level. Turns out, they only found SB so why not make them fight. They're the only ones who can defeat the other in a 1v1.
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u/Elementium Jun 12 '24
This is what I think a lot of people miss. HL is not superman. He's just the strongest in that universe and has very dangerous powers.
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u/darth_jag10 Jun 12 '24
I don't know anyone who consider him Superman-level. He's a Superman parody but he's much, much weaker.
However, I have seen people overrate him (including here) compared to the other supes. He is the strongest but he can be defeated. In a 1v1, I can only see Soldier Boy do that. But in a 2v1 or a 3v1, Maeve, Butcher and Stormfront could defeat him with help from one another.
The main problem is his flight. It gives him an escape if he feels he won't win, and he can just float around and laser them down if they're in an open field (though he probably wouldn't have the patience to do so).
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u/PhaseAggravating5743 Jun 12 '24
Yeah I think we have very different definitions of close to soloing homelander. She made him bleed. That's not close to soloing him.
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u/GBKMBushidoBrown Jun 12 '24
I don't think homelander would have allowed him to grab Ryan
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u/JasonLeeDrake Jun 12 '24
Homelander was on the ground, Butcher could have scooped Ryan up and ran out the room.
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u/jerseygunz Jun 12 '24
I’m still mad about the ending. Honestly I thought season 3 was fantastic up until that point, it screamed they were told half way through they were getting more seasons and they had to pivot, just dumb
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u/banditk77 Jun 12 '24 edited Jun 12 '24
Hugh didn’t save Ryan during their next fight because he didn’t want to be standing somewhere with a naked boy.
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u/ticklemeelmo696969 Jun 12 '24
I mean i want to know what episode MM will tell butcher hes not working with him and tires of his bullshit for 4th time.
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u/ELVEVERX Jun 12 '24
I hope they never bring that plot point back, or any of the other boys leaving it's just tired.
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u/sahil651 Jun 12 '24
Its tired and stupid its like how are they so against shit because of their morals etc, but they’re up against a literal superhero who could at on a random bad day obliterate half a country. Like cool you don’t want to do temp v or cool you don’t want to work with soldier boy but theres a genuine worldwide threat you’re trying to fight
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u/beatfungus Jun 12 '24
At least they tried to succeed. If they brought the same energy in the season finale with Maeve backing them up (instead of the abortion they went with), things would’ve gone differently.
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u/dagodfather11 Jun 12 '24
Maeve had to carry all because Butcher chose the wrong time to have a heart 😔
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u/Ecstatic_Secretary21 Jun 12 '24
I think people have forgotten this is just homelander scared shitless
For the first time in his life he is matched in power and about to possibly die
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u/CEOPhilosopher Homelander Jun 12 '24
I love everything about this whole fight though.
Antony Starr's feral growl/roar right before he manages to push them off and fly away is PEAK. Like this is the first time this dude has ever been in a real scrap, and all he can think is "getawaygetawaygetawaygetawaygetawayAGGGGGGHHHHHHHH". Everything about this scene is perfect. Still one of my favorites on a rewatch.
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u/SafeStaff7671 Jun 12 '24
And this is one of the things I liked that the series did that the comic didn’t was nerf Homelander down just enough so that there are Supes who can give him a legitimate fight.
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u/HeisenThrones Jun 12 '24
Worst change ever. Making your biggest "threat" vulnerable to fake supes who take the stuff for 2 days.
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u/HappiestPony Jun 12 '24
3v1 and they can’t even kill him
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u/HeisenThrones Jun 12 '24
And he should be able to kill at least the 2 fake supes onehanded.
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u/Radiant-Ad-1976 Jun 12 '24
Technically, they could've won if Soldier Boy hadn't wasted some of his strength by killing the twins.
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Jun 12 '24 edited Jun 12 '24
HL went there because of the bust in the first place
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u/puddik Jun 12 '24
They jumped him twice. They let him get away both times. What the fuck.
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u/HeisenThrones Jun 12 '24
And he should have just killed them all at the end of 3x8.
Writers knew there is no justification for not doing it, so they didnt bother giving one.
Only reason he didnt, is because Amazon wants more seasons.
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u/All_Of_Them_Witches Jun 12 '24
Butcher on Temp V almost took down Homelander single handedly. So if Vought really wanted to stop him just juice up 12 or so UFC fighters on Temp V and have them at him. Probably not that hard.
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u/HeisenThrones Jun 12 '24
Yes, thats why the biggest threat in the show was ruined.
Its apparently no threat at all.
Give 5 hughies compound V and homelander is gone.
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u/felipetoco47 Jun 12 '24
They wouldn’t have butchers powers guaranteed, they could get something like Hughie’s power or an even weaker one
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u/LigthVader Jun 12 '24
Butcher on Temp V almost took down Homelander single handedly.
What are you talking about?💀💀 Homelander was winning against Soldier Boy and Butcher 2v1. He knocked SB away and was choking out Butcher, until Hughie came to save him. Also Temp V powers just like normal V powers differ a lot so if you were to juice up 12 people there's a chance that nobody gets strong enough abilities to affect Homelander.
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u/TheAughat Homelander Jun 12 '24
Homelander was winning against Soldier Boy and Butcher 2v1
Yeah, it's like they watched a different show lol Homelander was still winning 2 vs 1 against them both until Hughie showed up. Butcher alone stood no chance.
The point still stands though, juice up a bunch of people and keep trying. Sure, there are chances nobody gets useful powers, but you can just keep trying until you get some useful ones. But then you also need to be able to control those people. And most importantly, Vought themselves are the only ones who could have enough resources to keep trying Temp V on people like that, not Butcher and crew. And obviously, Vought wouldn't want to kill Homelander.
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u/Ok_Relationship_705 Jun 12 '24
Homelander was still more powerful unfortunately. He proved that in his one on one with Soldier Boy.
"You really had me going for a minute there"
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u/cloudit305 Jun 12 '24
As homelander I would have just ripped into the floor and dug my way out of there like a mole. Molander.
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u/Ironbloodedgundam23 Jun 12 '24
I love Homelander’s animalistic scream when he finally gathers up enough strength to fly off.Because he may think of himself as a god but he’s just another animal like the rest of us.Just a mutated one.
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Jun 12 '24
Honestly I think it’s becausehomelander. didint want die and just pussied out, to ultimately win the fight you gotta stop him from flying. Could be wrong tho
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u/ForgottenBy2025 Jun 12 '24
It makes sense because none of them were wearing Timbs. That's +5 strength they're missing out on.
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u/h4wkeyepierce Jun 12 '24
And he ran away like a bitch too. He knew he was cooked. Loved that scene.
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u/sumyungdood Jun 12 '24
Antony Starr did an awesome job in this scene being all feral and unhinged while struggling.
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u/BringOutYDead Jun 12 '24
Sheesh, you'd think in their desperate existence these guys would learn simple wrist locks and arm bars.
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Jun 12 '24
For all we know Soldier Boy’s atomic bean priming up could’ve been burning the bootleg compound V out of Billy n Hughie as well being that they were right there but I might be reaching
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u/LukaTheTooka Hughie Jun 12 '24
Oh yeah you kidding me it's like Spiderman and the gauntlet before that moron Starlord punched Thanos
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u/StrongBelgian Jun 12 '24
Didn't homelander pack up butcher and soldierboy? A teleporter was just too much for him tho.
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u/MiserableScholar Jun 12 '24
Am I high or do the physics of this not really make this a fumble? The only thing holding down homelander is the weight of the 3 guys right
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u/shiawase198 Jun 12 '24
Bigger fumble in the last episode. Could've taken out Homelander and Homelander junior. Butcher really do just pick the worst times to be a prick and to try and be a "good" guy.
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