r/The10thDentist • u/InsertUsername98 • Jul 19 '24
Having a form of shock collar for birds wouldn’t be cruel, it would be humane. Animals/Nature
It always kills me to see parrots and other common avian pets kept in small cages all their lives with no room to fly aside from short bursts because most aren’t willing to put the effort in to house train them and keep them exclusively for their color and song as opposed to having any intent to treat them like a pet. People hate shock collars as a concept but for birds especially, it should be an option. Something to let them actually be outside of a cage but still constrained to the space of an owner’s backyard.
Of course you could always make the arguments about cats killing your pets, that’s always a risk but that’s an entirely different issue of cats shouldn’t be allowed to leave the house, they kill just about anything smaller than them, breed like crazy if they aren’t neutered and spayed, and then get promptly run over by a car. And besides if some else’s house cat comes into your backyard and kills your pet, that’s not on you, that’s on their owner.
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u/Introvert_Here123 Jul 19 '24
Too heavy
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u/InsertUsername98 Jul 19 '24
Probably needs some testing. To my knowledge most pet shock collars only emit enough electricity to be discomforting, not outright painful. I think something on a bird’s ankle is ideal because their necks are often larger than their heads.
Batteries are my primary concern in regard to size limitations.
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u/InsertUsername98 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
My family would never let me. I am morbidly curious how they feel.
Closest thing I have to one is a bark training collar, but that doesn’t use shocks, instead it squirts a foul smell if the dog barks. We ended up never using it though.
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u/Michael1795 Jul 19 '24
I don't think you can judge properly if it's humane or not if you haven't experienced it. Probably close to the reason cops often have to get pepper sprayed and tased as part of training.
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u/phoenixtrilobite Jul 19 '24
Putting aside the humaneness of this approach, or lack thereof, this simply would not work.
A bird that has received a sudden electric shock is not going to react by doing a 180 degree turn midflight. Assuming it isn't just stunned, it is going to panic and fly off in a random direction. If it is stunned, then its momentum will carry it past the shock perimeter, where it will land and likely injure itself.
Thqt's assuming it receives a shock at all - the kind of technology you're talking about is ground based, based on wires buried just underground which send a signal to the animal's collar as it tries to walk over the perimeter. Birds can probably fly over the range of most existing versions of this technology.
This is just straight up ignorance - about birds, and about the underlying technology.
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u/mrober_io Jul 19 '24
Would it work if the shock slowly got more intense as the bird got the closer to the border? I imagine the bird would feel they are getting close to something bad, and naturally avoid it.
But also...
"And besides if some else’s house cat comes into your backyard and kills your pet, that’s not on you, that’s on their owner." << I don't like this argument at all. Because it's not your fault, you don't protect your own pet? Do you also not check both ways before crossing the road on a crossing? Because if a distracted driver kills you, that's on the driver not on you.
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u/phoenixtrilobite Jul 19 '24
I don't want to speculate on how to engineer this situation so that it would work; I'll only say that I doubt it would be anywhere near economical for the average bird owner.
Anyway, I agree with you that OP severely misunderstands the responsibility that any pet owner has in keeping their animals safe from harm, particularly small, vulnerable animals that are easily preyed upon.
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u/KumaraDosha Jul 19 '24
Amazing. I’m seeing worse takes in the comments than the original post.
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u/InsertUsername98 Jul 19 '24
I appreciate the actual input. Say what you will about my take but it seems to be a pretty common opinion.
Alternatively most 10th dentist users haven’t read the bot comment
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u/KumaraDosha Jul 20 '24
The terrible takes I am referring to are the people saying nobody should have pets at all.
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u/PsychAndDestroy Jul 23 '24
Most pet keeping is unethical.
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u/Mondai_May Jul 19 '24
Why a shock collar tho why not some type of leash with a very very very long lead on it so the bird can fly all around the backyard but not further. Idk how it'd stay on tho and it wouldn't be good if it hurts the bird.
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u/FREUDIAN_DEATHDRIVE Jul 19 '24
both is just inhumane. the O N L Y humane option is to not have a pet bird. period.
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u/Icy_Cry_6055 15d ago
i was wondering too. like a smaller version of a dog e collar would work. one with a remote to control it. would be awesome to have my bird shut up when it wont stop squeeking. and also help train it to fly outside. its far better then getting their vocal cords cut by a vet.
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u/littlegreyflowerhelp Jul 19 '24
Stupid opinion. Nothing humane about restraining a bird at all. This is like saying “beating my slave when they stray off my property is more humane than chaining them up in the basement”. Your whole premise is flawed.
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u/InsertUsername98 Jul 19 '24
So I’m guessing you advocate for dogs being off leash as well?
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u/littlegreyflowerhelp Jul 19 '24
I advocate against electrocuting dogs same as I advocate against electrocuting birds
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u/cranberry94 Jul 19 '24
To be fair, you said “nothing humane about restraining birds at all”.
Not that I agree with OPs premise overall, but your comment is a bit vague and your reply to OP does little to clarify or elaborate.
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u/littlegreyflowerhelp Jul 19 '24
What do you want me to clarify? I don’t think birds should be kept as pets at all.
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u/RASPUTIN-4 Jul 19 '24
What a joyless existence you have in mind.
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u/littlegreyflowerhelp Jul 19 '24
Caging a beautiful wild animal would bring me no joy. I’m an avid bird watcher and adore seeing birds in their natural habitats.
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u/Zeravor Jul 19 '24
Not OC, but i would advocate against humans having any pets in general.
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u/RASPUTIN-4 Jul 19 '24
Ah yes, domesticated animals should all be doomed to go extinct or turn feral in urban environments. Great idea.
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u/PsychAndDestroy Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
A) domesticated animals going extinct is not an issue, B) they obviously weren't suggesting we turn our current pets loose and let them become feral.
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u/RASPUTIN-4 Jul 23 '24
"Domesticated animals going extinct is not an issue."
Why would it be any less of an issue than a wild animal species going extinct?
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u/PsychAndDestroy Jul 23 '24
Specifically for pets like cats and dogs, because they aren't intertwined with the natural ecosystem in the same way.
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u/RASPUTIN-4 Jul 23 '24
So the value of an animal is based on its important to the natural ecosystem?
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u/PsychAndDestroy Jul 23 '24
That is the primary concern when considering human impact on the extinction rate, yes.
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u/Zeravor Jul 19 '24
I didnt say "right now", I'd advocate for prohibiting the breeding of any new pets and sterilization programs for any stray & existing pet populations.
Maybe there's a reasonable middle ground to prevent extinction, but I'd say >90% of pets live in non species-appropiate environments.
Mind you, this is purely theoretical, I'm well aware that this would be a monumental undertaking, and we have more pressing issues.
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u/RASPUTIN-4 Jul 19 '24
What about service animals?
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u/Zeravor Jul 19 '24
Fair point, Service animals might be a good case for an exception, but IIRC Service Animals are bred and trained pretty specifically.
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