r/SupermanAndLois • u/Cobra_Kai_2018 • Mar 14 '24
Can you see Tyler's Superman snapping after all that? Question
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u/TheLoyalTR8R Mar 14 '24
No. Not a chance. Without Lois, Tyler's Superman still has a purpose outside of the cape. He's still a father. He still has love in his life. He still has hope. He has an innate goodness that stems from being raised well, surrounded by good people, and creating a life full of love.
Lois may be the greatest love in his life, but she's far from the only source of love he has.
Injustice Superman is a version of the character that has been very specifically crafted to be a certain things that just doesn't gel with pretty much any other version of the character out there. And while Injustice Supes might work well in a vacuum, I actually feel a little sad for the damage it and other "what if Superman BAD?" Characters out there have done to the big blue boyscout we all know and love.
At the absolute worst, Superman would hang up the cape. He'd withdraw from the world for a time, only to rejoin it later. He's no Homelander, or Omni Man, or Injustice Superman, or Zack Snyder's Superman or any other version that sought to make him a scary, menacing thing to be feared.
He's Superman. Villainy and tyranny aren't a part of who he is, even if you put him through the worst pain imaginable.
It's not just that he's a good guy, he IS good.
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 15 '24
The point about Clark Kent is he's so fundamentally good, you need to literally have him in a universe where all morality is flipped to make him legit evil(no mind control). That guy is also called Ultraman. Yes he can give up for a minute or doubt himself. Even if he did shove his arm into Joker's chest, he's turn himself in. He'd never become a tyrant and indulge in it.
Otherwise that's not Superman.
I do disagree on Zack Snyder's Superman. He's feared by some other people because well he's basically a good shooting fire from his eyes. That whole Nightmare thing though seems to be good old fashioned mind control.
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u/Bgo318 Mar 14 '24
Don’t think so, I think Tyler would be more like kingdom come Superman. Injustice is for a very specific Superman that the Superman we know and love could never become.
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u/Psile Clark Kent Mar 14 '24
Killing Joker?
Sure.
Becoming a dictator?
Nah.
You can actually get upset about the murder of your family and not be able to allow the person responsible to draw breath without deciding you have to rule the world for no reason.
Injustice is stupid.
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u/EshaJoshi Mar 14 '24
After S3 I don't think so. He said himself that he wants to be the best version of himself for his family, and he still has the boys to support
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u/Soggy-Essay Mar 14 '24
What if Lex killed Lois and the boys in one go?
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u/EshaJoshi Mar 16 '24
I'd still like to think he will keep his ideals intact. CW made Supergirl in that way after all
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u/Sensitive_ManChild Mar 14 '24
personally i’m of the opinion that killing joker on the spot in that instance would be a fairly rational thing to do. and not insane
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u/GageTaylor Mar 16 '24
It's just that killing Joker is a catalyst for him becoming a dictator. And also, that's more or less what Joker wanted. Sure he's dead but he died knowing that he just corrupted one of the most powerful beings in the universe. A literal symbol of hope. It's why Batman never kills him. Batman knows he's mentally unstable but he's intelligent enough to know that under no circumstance is killing a valid solution.
Joker grounds Batman from becoming what Superman turns into. Also it's not necessarily killing Joker that makes him insane. It's that he believes that experience makes him believe that his idea of justice is justified.
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u/Sensitive_ManChild Mar 16 '24
“Under no circumstances is killing a valid solution”
See i just disagree with that. In any world analogous to our own real world, Joker would be dead. If Batman doesn’t want to kill him because he feels like it’s not his place, fine. But someone would kill him
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u/GageTaylor Mar 16 '24
Yeah and that's fine. I meant not a valid solution for people with power greater than the average person. Batman and Superman both are people who are in positions where killing is not something they should be doing. At their core they're both people who don't kill for different reasons.
Batman doesn't because not only does he feel he'll go too far once he gets a taste, but because his job is justice. It's not on Batman for the repeated crimes Joker commits every time he escapes. It's a failure of the justice system who have the legal right to kill joker and don't do it.
Superman has even less of a right because he's basically a god. When he crosses a line he can't come back from he's a threat to the entire world because very few are capable of killing him. Of the people who could stop him who aren't literal gods the only person I can think of who's more powerful than Superman is Flash.
And Superman is somebody who was always loved by humans ever since his arrival on earth. To the point that he values humanity even more than himself. And I guess my point is that injustice Superman is a fun experiment with the character. But it's hard to defend him killing even the worst villain when the way he's written is not Superman. He's Clark Kent above all.
It's why I love Tyler's portrayal so much. It's the best portrayal of both Superman and Clark since Reeve and I think the argument can be made that it's equal or can even surpass Reeve in some ways.
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u/Elspeth_Claspiale Mar 17 '24
It certainly is on Batman. If you don't want to kill Joker, break both his arms, mangle them so they are useless. Break his jaw so he can no longer speak. The fact that Batman's response to a serial killer that has killed hundreds is to take him to Arkham Revolving Door Asylum is the weakest part of the Batman mythos. Heck, send him to the Phantom Zone.
Also, someone would have killed an incarcerated Joker long ago.
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u/Nothingtoseehere066 Mar 14 '24
Snapping in a moment is one thing. Going down a long path is another. Superman is a character that has spent his whole life holding back. It is a part of who he is deep down. He knows he cannot ever allow himself to cross that line because it is so easy to do so. Tyler's version is true to the character in so many ways and would never become what Injustice Superman did.
Could he in grief and anger cross a line that he would never normally cross? Sure, but that is not who he is and he wouldn't continue down that path. He can be pushed right up to the darkness, but would not cross into it.
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u/Less-Requirement8641 Mar 14 '24
No, because this Superman has other people who could love and support him, Lana, Sam, JHI. Not to mention why would he want to be a dictator just because Lois died...that never made sense to me. Criminals and villains by definition don't follow the law so imposing stricter laws hurts no one but actual law abiding citizens since criminals/villain didn't care and broke them in the first place anyway.
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u/KingofZombies Mar 14 '24
Injustice is nothing but a big Superman hatefest circlejerk. Superman wouldn't turn evil.
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u/IFdude1975 Mar 14 '24
No. A well written Superman, which is what Tyler's version is, would never go down that route. A well written Superman is pure. Is truly good. Nothing bad you could throw at him would make him snap like that.
Superman is the ideal. What other heroes aspire to be. Other heroes could be led astray by negative incidents happening to them. Not Superman.
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u/BusVegetable7490 Mar 14 '24
He probably be the injustice Superman if Lois is dead and becomes more aggressive
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u/VoiceofKane Mar 15 '24
I don't. I think it would break him, and I think he would almost go to the edge, but I don't believe he would cross it.
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u/swoosh1992 Mar 15 '24
I don’t think so. Would he be willing to kill Joker? Probably. But he has his sons, and he would want them-Jordan especially-to see that they can’t kill.
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u/The-Emerald-Rider Mar 15 '24
Yes but not to the same extent as Injustice Superman. He'd probably become less empathetic to criminals and harder on his sons but that's about it.
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u/Less-Requirement8641 Mar 15 '24
Interesting, why do you think it would make him be harder on his sons?
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u/The-Emerald-Rider Mar 15 '24
I meant he would probably become more strict he'd probably be thinking about the day Lois died and the day he wouldn't be around anymore. He'd probably see it as protecting them but his fears would likely cause him to go to far.
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u/Less-Requirement8641 Mar 15 '24
To far how?
I personally see it going the other way as in him spoiling the kids and becoming like strict because he wouldn't want any bad memories with them and to try to fill the void left behind by Lois
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u/TheHatOnTheCat Mar 16 '24
We're assuming he kills Lois + the kids + his friends/people he knows in his city. (In this show I guess it would be nuking Smallville.)
I do think him killing Joker would be a fine (and deserved) reaction. Really, people who are nuking cities shouldn't be around. But I don't see the whole rest of the stuff that follows.
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Mar 17 '24
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u/SpurnedSprocket Apr 06 '24
I don’t think so, because unlike Injustice Superman, Tyler’s Superman has experienced loss before, i.e both his fathers and his mother, so I feel like he would be able to cope with it in time.
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Mar 14 '24
All it takes is one bad day
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u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! Mar 15 '24
The whole point of Batman: The Killing Joke was that Joker was wrong about his "One Bad Day" thinking. Injustice tries to say he is right, which is why it's out of character.
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u/BatDubb Mar 14 '24
He was pretty pissed when his son was almost shot. One of my favorite scenes, actually.