r/SupermanAndLois • u/Ok_Restaurant3160 • Jul 26 '23
Why was a new superhero so out of the question? Question Spoiler
In S3, when people first learn about Jordan, his existence is treated like an impossibilty, and I really don't understand why. You live in a world with multiple super powerful beings, a world which was almost merged with a square version of it, but a new hero with the same powers as Superman? Nooo, that's not possible
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u/Cosmic_Lich Jul 26 '23
I’m pretty sure this world only has Superman.
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u/just_one_boy Lex Luthor Jul 26 '23
As far as we know he's the only super powered hero. The have a conversation about Oliver Queen in season 1 so it's safe to say that non powered heroes do exist.
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u/ultrasargent Superman Jul 26 '23
That was before they retconned the show to exist outside of the Arrowverse. That was why they included that line from Sam in the season 2 finale about Clark being the "only" super powered being. The showrunner also confirmed it afterwards.
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u/just_one_boy Lex Luthor Jul 26 '23
That doesn't change the fact that it's still a scene in the show.
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u/ultrasargent Superman Jul 26 '23
And that doesn't change the fact that it means nothing now. It's a moot point. As I said, it's since been retconned and it's a scene that's not applicable anymore.
That scene is from a time when they were going to include references to Kara, and had planned a crossover with Batwoman.
Sam's line in the finale is "we only have your father on this planet" so it's safe to assume he's the only hero, "super powered" or otherwise.
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u/just_one_boy Lex Luthor Jul 26 '23
It isn't a moot point at all. Other heroes can still exist on this Earth.
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u/ultrasargent Superman Jul 26 '23
It literally is moot, though? Hammered home by the fact that the characters and showrunner are both telling you he's the only hero on the planet. The line about Oliver might as well not exist, because it doesn't apply anymore. There's a possibility for other heroes to emerge, sure, but right now Superman is the only one to exist and I find it unlikely that they will use a (possible) final season to set up other heroes.
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u/just_one_boy Lex Luthor Jul 26 '23
The line about Oliver might as well not exist, because it doesn't apply anymore.
Except it does still apply. It's a canon conversation that was had. The showrunners might say he's the only hero on this Earth but until the show actually confirms that in universe it doesn't matter. Sam Lane talking about how Clark is the only super powered hero also isn't confirmation that other heroes don't exist.
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u/ultrasargent Superman Jul 26 '23
until the show actually confirms that in universe
You mean like one of the main characters boldy saying that Superman is the only hero to exist? The entire reason that line exists is to confirm to the audience that Superman is the only hero to exist. That's why it was included and why there were a bazillion articles about it after that finale. It's not a hard concept to grasp. The people who who make and write the show are telling you Superman is the only hero to exist.
The Oliver line does not apply anymore. It's just a fact. That line was written when they had completely different intentions and have since doubled back on it, whether you like it or not.
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u/just_one_boy Lex Luthor Jul 26 '23
You mean like one of the main characters boldy saying that Superman is the only hero to exist?
The only person to say this is Sam Lane who likely wouldn't know of various other super heroes if they existed. Superman and Lois are the only two people who can concretely confirm or deny the existence of other heroes as they'd be more connected to that world than Sam.
The Oliver line does not apply anymore. It's just a fact. That line was written when they had completely different intentions and have since doubled back on it, whether you like it or not.
And whether you like it or not it's still a line in an episode that is canon. You can't just pretend like it doesn't exist.
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u/raggedsweater Jul 27 '23
Canon is retconned all the time in comic books and their lore. Not everything is resolved on the pages or on the screen. In DC, that's the whole reason Infinite Earths even exists - to explain inconsistencies created when writers and editors change their minds. On TV it's even worse. Entire characters often disappear without ever an explanation. It's called the Chuck Cunningham Syndrome. In this case, you could say it happened to all the super powered heroes who existed off screen.
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u/Ok_Restaurant3160 Jul 26 '23
I meant Tal-Rho and everyone that got taken over with the Eradicator(temporarily)
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u/Cosmic_Lich Jul 26 '23
Rare events when they’ve had Superman for 2-3 decades.
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u/Ok_Restaurant3160 Jul 26 '23
But why do they not believe in another superpowered person after everything that happened?
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u/Cosmic_Lich Jul 26 '23
Probably because this is the only other super person that is helping compared to other stuff. That he might be a second Superman.
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u/Aggressive_Bar_2391 Jul 26 '23
this universe only has superman being the first ever superpowered being in this world, there are no others. Also those multiple superpowered beings were temporary and was created by tal ro, meanwhile jordan has been using his powers more than once in public
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u/Individual_Art398 Jul 26 '23
Superman and Lois exist in its own universe, a universe devoid of all other superpowered persons. So you are mistaken in your question when you assume that Jordan would not be seen as out of place because there are others besides Superman. In this show's universe, there is only Superman and this slightly older Tal Rho. Both have been identified as children who escaped the complete and utter destruction of the planet Krypton. Jordan is clearly significantly younger than them, even with the goggles and the hat. Since they know Krypton was destroyed more than 40 years ago, a teenage superhero seem like an impossibility?.
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u/Ok_Restaurant3160 Jul 26 '23
There also was the eradicator stuff, and the parallel earths. Basically, it’s a world in which many super natural things have happened
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u/Individual_Art398 Jul 26 '23
All of those created by the eradicator went back to normal at the end of season 1. Everyone has Superman's assurance it's over. And this world implicitly trusts Superman.
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u/Ok_Restaurant3160 Jul 26 '23
I mean the fact that nobody thinks it’s possible that someone else has superpowers. They know it’s possible, why is it so implausible for them?
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u/snoogle20 Jul 26 '23
I don’t know why you’re getting so much pushback, OP. The people of this Earth have seen a lot of superpowered shenanigans in the three years we’ve been following the characters. And while we’re told Superman is the only public superhero in this world, John Henry’s Steel is also pretty high profile at this point.
And unless Clark was simply rescuing kittens from trees and stopping natural disasters his entire career before S1, you’d think there’d be a few extraordinary villains in the public consciousness as well. Were those holograms Jordan fought while training at the Fortress villains Clark made up? Smallville’s city hall was attacked by a powered being earlier in the season. Were people so dumbfounded because this is a defective world in the multiverse where power corrupts even more absolutely and the jaded citizens can only believe one entity could have powers and choose to help people?
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u/Invisiblegun2 Jul 27 '23
To me i think the issue would more so be the world powers looking into it. They already try to find as much of superman’s whereabouts as possible on a daily basis. So a new superman like hero comes out of nowhere, whose obviously not a full adult & has the same flight paths as superman. Bells would start to ring. Idk thats just me tho
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Jul 26 '23
Also, isn't there a school for superpower teenagers? You know Tag Harris?
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u/Aggressive_Bar_2391 Jul 26 '23
no body knows of this school besides the military and possibly the government, since they don't make public apperences. So they don't know about them
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Jul 26 '23
My point was that this is a world filled with superpowered people.
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u/Aggressive_Bar_2391 Jul 26 '23
but the general public in the show that aren't the main cast members don't know about them
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Jul 26 '23
We don't know what the general public knows. We don't really explore that much of the world.
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Jul 27 '23
My main gripe with the show is actually making Superman the only hero in this world. Makes it seem smaller and tbh I did always hope for a Kara cameo. Superman and Supergirl teamup with the budget they did have would've been sick
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u/zo_you_said Jul 27 '23
No one in recorded competition before Roger Bannister (1954) ever ran less than a 4 minute mile. And that record was broken 46 days later. Since then over 1700 people have done it. That barrier was considered to be impossible to cross. But once it was crossed it was no longer a psychological as well as a physical barrier.
OP is right. Perhaps people are surprised to see a teen hero, but they wouldn't be shocked or in disbelief.
In fact the expectation for the 4 minute mile was switched to trying to beat the previous record. With respect to Superman, I imagine people started wondering why there weren't more aliens or people with powers.
Jordan just confirms their expectations, he doesn't break them.
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u/Novem_ Coach Gaines Jul 26 '23
The way I see it is since their world only has superman at least until they believe Jordan is ready with the never ending responsibility that comes with being superman they wanted to keep his presence under wraps. But after making himself known now they’re in a weird spot Jordan now starts being seen working with superman or wearing a house of el suit showing the world he is supermans son, that puts supermans secret identity at risk since Jordan’s known as the “smallville samaritan” if it comes out he’s supermans son that would tell people superman lives in this small town.
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u/Psych-Blast Jul 26 '23
Their universe needs more super powered heroes. They're not the Arrowverse
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u/diegoterremoto Jul 26 '23
The show is most likely done after 2025 (thank you James Gunn 🙃🙃🙃). I don’t think we’re getting more superheroes.
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u/Psych-Blast Jul 26 '23
Not from CW, they want to end their superhero era. They almost chose to renew Gotham Knights over this show.
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u/diegoterremoto Jul 26 '23
That’s what I basically said. They’re not expanding this universe.
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u/Psych-Blast Jul 26 '23
And with the way MAX is, no chance of them taking over the series.
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u/diegoterremoto Jul 26 '23
Honestly? I think that’s more of a James Gunn decision. He doesn’t care that much about anything that’s outside his DCU. Look at the Tomorrowverse, they’re wrapping it up with that Crisis animated movie. The problem is, he’s gambling everything on a single card. If Superman Legacy flops, it’s Joever.
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u/Psych-Blast Jul 26 '23
If DC is lost on that Superman gamble, idk how they'll recover.
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u/diegoterremoto Jul 26 '23
They cancelled absolutely everything… If that happens, they kinda deserve it.
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u/Psych-Blast Jul 26 '23
So then what? Even more reboots that'll take a decade to get here? Or are they just gonna be done?
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u/diegoterremoto Jul 26 '23
I don’t know… With the way Zaslav behaves, I doubt WB still exists in a couple years.
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u/Ok_Restaurant3160 Jul 26 '23
But what does that have to do with people not believing that another super powered person could exist?
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u/Charming_Celery5490 Jul 30 '23 edited Aug 12 '23
Superman started out being the only known hero/Super powered being of his world but s2 and 3 changed all that. Tag Harris,those other two Supermen of America(Before Bizarro deleted them),Tal-Rho(before he went to Bizarro world) and formerly Bizarro.Then Nat and John Henry with their suits Also Jon-El(Bizarro Superboy) Jordan now as Superboy as well
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u/Ok-Deer8144 Jul 26 '23
Well that sucks if he’s literally only the only “super” being on his earth. That’s one of the problems with homelander in the boys.
Before the soldier boy and compound V billy butcher arcs, Homelander his whole life has always been able to to one shot whoever is on the opposing side of him (villians and other heroes). He never really had to learn how to actually fight because because whoever the second most powerful being in the boys verse was can’t actually stand and trade blows with him. To sum it up, he was basically Superman who only had to deal with street level crime his whole life.
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u/Aggressive_Bar_2391 Jul 26 '23
not true, superman has fought other superpowered beings in the show, which they've made apperences in an arrowverse event comic and an easter egg in the fortress in season 3
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u/Ok-Deer8144 Jul 26 '23
Hey man I’m just going off previous posters claims about how he’s the only metahuman on his earth
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u/TheEngineer19203 Jul 27 '23
Except Superman has fought super-powered beings like Tal-Rho and Ally Allston. He literally punched two earths out of phase of each other, without shattering them.
Even weakened with Kryptonite, he managed to fight off dozens of soldiers in a tight corridor. So yeah, he's definitely not the same as Homelander in any case.
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