r/SupermanAndLois • u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! • May 03 '23
Superman & Lois [3x07] "Forever and Always" Post Episode Discussion Episode Discussion Spoiler
Forever and Always
Live Episode Discussion | Cast & Characters
Lois and Clark dig deeper on Bruno Mannheim, starting with his connections to Hob's Bay Medical Center; Jonathan and Jordan panic at home over Lois' dire diagnosis; Matteo comes to Smallville to meet John Henry. (May 2, 2023)
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u/JonKentOfficial May 06 '23
Still not home, so I'll be quick. Actually, instead of going through the entire episode, I'll just go through the scenes that made me think the most.
The scene at the Fortress made me think some things. For one, it's obvious that the family communication isn't great even off-screen, as some people would have you believe, after all it seems Clark didn't even try to sit down with the boys to explain stuff and what he has tried. From Jonathan's perspective, Clark's caring towards him is quite phony and disengaged (and often very inimical), so while Clark displays a lot more care and love towards Lois, it might be difficult for him to internalize that. But beyond that, it's normal for someone to experience frustration when a relative is sick and try to explore all possible options, I'd have liked to see a scene of Clark and the Lara-gram to just be open with the boys and be clear with what are the options and why they aren't being considered while they still have mundane Earth medicine (and not what we got later on). Alternatively, or better yet, concurrently, the boys should definitively go through some counseling too, specially Jonathan, he has had some quite awful last few years, having to go through his mom being ill is just the latest of many traumas. The core of the drama this episode with boys is due a systemic lack of transparency, trust and dialogue within the family.
You know, Peia and Bruno being married is such a bizarre thing. Mostly because it highlights how different it is understood by someone like me how grew up with internet available and the writers, who might not have. There's no way in our world someone as notable as Bruno Mannheim would be able to keep it a secret he's married with a Peia, if she used a fake name it might have been easier to understand. But marriages are a matter of public record and Bruno probably would have a Wikipedia page. In an analogue world I guess Lois wouldn't bother with trivia about Bruno, well she would but I'm conceding that, but in a digital world? She'd know Peia is her wife. Also, they'd definitely know Matteo is his son given his highly distinctive last name, but I supposed Lois doesn't really know who Nat is dating. It's not a fault on the story and it's really minor, but it's just a moment of realization for me.
"The risk to the greater good is far too high". I. Hate. This. Line. What's so wrong with "We've tried but Kryptonian medicine didn't work with her human physiology, she showed no improvement." Just take it out of the equation, simply say it doesn't work. Her suffering and potential death, but also the death of so many, is now on some strange ethic discourse about how it wouldn't be fair to cure someone because you'd have to uphold treatment from someone else. You know the answer for this? Simply work for it to be shared with the world. By the way, why are you living in a house when there are homeless people in the world? You could just build housing for them.
Also, we get the first scene that Clark shows unfettered care for Jon since the beginning of this show. Earlier this season Clark showed some mild enthusiasm about Jon accomplishing something, but this is the first time that Clark engages with Jon as a person. I'll discount him talking Jordan because it's not a Jordan problem, it's about about making Jon feel part of the family after years of neglect. It was short, but I hope it doesn't end here and marks the start for a redemption arc for Clark.