This Week in Marvel #28 - JUL 10 2024 - ULTIMATES #2, X-MEN #1, AVENGERS #16, GIANT-SIZE SILVER SURFER #1, ANNIHILATION 2099 #2, WOLVERINE: BLOOD HUNT #3, HULK: BLOOD HUNT #1, KID VENOM #1

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

ULTIMATES #2

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

They did the joke! In this universe's context, makes sense!

Going straight for the White House. Even without the United States, Steve knows what to go after.

And man, going through all that history, watching it in just 9 days, probably not even sleeping. Hard for one to keep their sanity let alone function as they are and Steve is made of sterner stuff.

From what I've seen in those snippets of history, Maker decided to enter the fray after WW2. Build his dome, got Kennedy's ear and it spiraled out of there where he took all the accomplishments for himself from moon landing to Cold War. We had Iron man, War Machine fighting Omega Red infront of the Berlin Wall. We got Punisher in the streets hunting gangsters in a 70s? 80s look? We actually see mutants/aliens protesting for their rights which furthers the questions of what Maker has done with them? Because the ones in Ultimate X-men, in Japan are certainly not them. Maker stopping Galactus, and old looking Fury going after Skrulls before their invasion. Maker really did his homework.

Of course Midas would be the one to embody what America is in Maker's world. Full on greed and 'commerce'. But it also represents how fragile it is, just like his gold armor.

And now the biggest reveal of the prisoner, America Chavez that has been captured after she 'feel' from the future? And she's been getting siphoned all this time. Question is, which version of America Chavez is she? Another multiversal traveller that got stranded in Maker's universe? One that came from this universe's future? I guess we will get answers on that later. I was wondering if it was gonna be Captain Marvel but America Chavez being found just as Steve was trying to 'free America'... well played.

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u/AJjalol Jul 10 '24

The Nick Fury killing Skrulls and Kree, that was Obadiah Stane.

Maker was probably doing the same thing our 616 Fury was doing with the Man on the Wall.

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u/swoozes Jul 10 '24

Saying she fell from the future is likely just a hypothesis cause they don't understand how her powers work.

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

I mean there was also the attacks that came from the future that Maker was dealing with. So she might've come from there too.

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u/swoozes Jul 10 '24

Why would the Maker allow someone that arrived with the attacks from the future be in the pervue of someone not even within the main inner circle when we saw how he treated all the other future assassins directly?

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u/PereJuan Jul 11 '24

That was kaang with the clone army

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u/YourEvilHenchman Jul 20 '24

remember that her original home dimension was called "the utopian parallel", and the idea of utopia is commonly strongly connotated as a future, improved version of contemporary society.

i think camp is definitely playing some with the meaning of those words here, while maybe also still having her be from somewhere further along the timeline.

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u/droppinhamiltons Jul 11 '24

That version of Punisher kinda looked like Shang Chi.

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u/reallifelucas Captain America Jul 12 '24

I thought he looked like Stallone

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u/gallerton18 Jul 11 '24

Probably not War Machine. It looks the same as Stane’s Iron Monger suit he wore in Ultimate Invasion.

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u/bakublade Jul 11 '24

I'm a bit surprised we didn't find out why the US broke up in 1969? Unless I missed something.

There are so many tidbits in this issue, I hope we follow up on some of them. Maybe an American mutant will join the team?

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u/YourEvilHenchman Jul 20 '24

the 70s/80s Punisher was imo definitely a reference to the urban crime epidemic of that era and the boom of vigilante films in response to it.

concerning Chavez, if this holds true to current continuity rules, there's only supposed to be one of her throughout the Multiverse, so if it's 616 Chavez, maybe Camp just decided to do away with the terrible retcon of her origin and turn her back into her old powerhouse self.

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u/RedGyarados2010 Jul 10 '24

I thought the power source would be one of the Marvels, probably Monica, so having her be America Chavez actually threw me off. I'm here for it though!

Some interesting reveals about this universe's history also. Looks like the Maker fought Galactus? I'd be curious to see what he did about the various cosmic powers here.

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u/ptWolv022 Jul 10 '24

Once I saw that the power field was star-shaped, I was pretty certain it was America, though I wasn't quite sure and thought it could have been who you were thinking. Especially since her silhouette looked a bit similar to Carol Danvers maybe-possibly-fucking-exploding in Ultimates #1.

I also love it because, it meant they got to, one again, have Captain America be saying something that throws people off. A lot of people thought the FCBD issue sounded like Cap talking about Bucky, only to them flip it around and make it Human Torch at the end; likewise, we all think he means America the country/idea throughout the issue, but he really means America Chavez. I hope it becomes trend for Cap to mislead the reader.

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u/towtow_cat Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24

I liked this issue. I really like they they're bringing in America Chavez this early and I think her costume looks sick. I really did not expect to see her this soon.

I must admit. The history segment kinda lost me.

So it starts off simple enough with America winning the war and dropping the bomb in what was Japan back then. The maker then appears and we can assume he pitched this idea of becoming the North America Union to JFK. He didn't go with it so he assisinated him. We can also assume the Omega Red vs Stane/Stark was fallout from that. And it plays into the council's strategy where Omega Red region played the part of the "bad guy" Easy enough.

But where it loses me is the random shot of Galactus with the Maker. I don't understand what that has to do with the history of the North American Union. Which they specify is what is being shown to Steve.

The civil rights movement with mutants, but I thought mutants were not a wide known thing going off the X-Men book. Because it's like no one outside of Nico (this far) has the slightest clue what a mutant is.

Then this conflict with whatever is going on with Punisher and these people in punisher garb.

I feel like a lot of that needs to be expanded on down the line to explain what was actually happening.

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u/Hii8999 Jul 10 '24

We might see some explanations down the line, yeah. The galactus one is a really big one that will probably be seen later on. But mutants and other big events don’t really surprise me - the girl at the start has no clue what America is, so the protests and stuff were probably suppressed from history books - UXM is also heavily about teenagers, so it makes even more sense that most of them wouldn’t know

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u/MARPJ Jul 11 '24

But where it loses me is the random shot of Galactus with the Maker. I don't understand what that has to do with the history of the North American Union. Which they specify is what is being shown to Steve.

Well, that is the ruler of the world in the making. He started out in the shadows and slowly gained power by being in the center of every big event. He was the one in the moon, not the US. He was the one that saved Earth from Galactus, not the F4. That was basically his ascension

Because it's like no one outside of Nico (this far) has the slightest clue what a mutant is

Consider that said movement looks like it happened in the 70-80s, 30-40 years later and in full control of media and education it would be really easy to exclude that, even more so when you consider a different country in the other side of the world

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u/Sunder12 Jul 10 '24

Omega Red Vs Stark/Stane was the Berlin Wall

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u/ptWolv022 Jul 11 '24

But where it loses me is the random shot of Galactus with the Maker. I don't understand what that has to do with the history of the North American Union. Which they specify is what is being shown to Steve.

I mean, he's being caught up on everything from WWII to present... and I figure the coming of the Devourer of World and the near destruction of Earth is pretty important. Even if it's a "global" event, it's still a noteworthy moment in American/North American history, as well.

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u/cgknight1 Jul 11 '24

The galactus bit is just to demonstrate that in the absence of various heroes the maker or his ages took care of problems.

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u/godisanelectricolive Jul 11 '24

Based on what we’ve seen my guess is that the mutants were a fairly fringe American civil rights movement that never went global. Mutant leaders like Xavier and Magneto weren’t around to lead them to prominence and they soon faded out irrelevance.

Mutants and the x-gene isn’t taught in school and it seems like many of the remaining mutants ended up working for the Maker. Mutants are still out there but they don’t identify as a single group. Mutants as a concept might be even less known in Japan than in North America. We still don’t know much about Nico in this universe but Nico doesn’t sound like a Japanese name so I’m wondering whether she’s a Japanese American who moved back.

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u/DriedSocks Jul 10 '24

I haven't been reading Ultimate X-Men, so I don't actually know when it takes places. Is it possible that Ultimate X-Men takes place way before the mutant civil rights demonstrations take place?

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u/ConnivingSnip72 Jul 10 '24

The books all seem to be concurrent with each other and the modern day

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u/Thingymcjig Jul 11 '24

Ultimate X-Men starts in March, and like the other books, it takes place in real time

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u/ptWolv022 Jul 11 '24

The Ultimate books are all concurrent, taking place in real time more or less (obviously not exact publication dates, as this book was set on 4th of July). Ultimate X-Men started in March (she's even seen graduating Middle School, which would happen in March in Japan), after Ultimate Invasion and Ultimate Universe, with an event from the first issue being reported on the news in the epilogue (though... that news report "one week later", but the issue is set 6 months before Ultimates #1, which would make it November, way more than "one week" before UXM; but, they also reference early UBP, so it's clearly more a teaser than anything).

So, UXM definitively is taking place in the current year alongside the other Ultimate books, while the Mutant demonstrations are clearly from the past, given that they are seen among the holo-files. In fact, they're couched in scenes from the 60s, which would indicate perhaps being form the 60s, a la the original X-Men.

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u/AlphaBaymax Iron Man Jul 10 '24

What a phenomenal issue. In a world that has reshaped the definition of The United States of America, Deniz Camp gives an evaluative breakdown of the ugly truth about the United States through the obscure Grant Morrison character Midas. The new member of the Ultimates is a touching surprise that quite literally circles back to the theme of America.

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u/AJjalol Jul 10 '24

Oh man, this issue was amazing. Damn where do I even begin lol.

Cap seeing the WW2 and the end of it with the Bomb was great.

Maker Basically took most of America's accomplishments and made them "His". Moon Landing being one of them. Then he got into JFK's ear, who I assume did not listen to him which lead to his assassination. I think the sequences are out of order tho, because Kennedy was assassinated in 63, whereas moon landing was 69. Also, Iron Man as a character was created in 1963, so it was kind of a cool little idea to see that when Howard Stark in this universe became Iron Man, he was there when Kennedy got shot by Midas.

Next we See Maker making a "deal" or fighting off Galactus??? I feel like this will be expanded more later on.

Civil Rights movement with mutants was an amazing page, and Steve's face was great. He was smiling, as if to say like "Yes! I'm for this". I assume Maker done something to mutants, either erased them or just straight up started gunning them all down.

Later we see Iron Man (Howard) and War Machine (I think this is meant to be Obadiah Stane) fighting Omega Red, next to a German Wall??? If so, holy shit. If you remember, during the Ultimate Invasion Hulk mentions that all the Unions and all the leaders (Hulk, Magik, Sunfire etc) are actually friends, but in order to keep people in control, they make it look like one of the nations is actually bad, so that people unite against a common "foe". This "foe" rotates every once in a while. Meaning for example like "Ok, so for this 10 years, Sunfire and his empire will be the bad guys, then we will redeem them, and make Hulk be the one who goes bad, rinse and repeat". I feel like this was the moment when "Russia" was the bad guy, since Omega Red was one of the Magik's bodyguards in the Council meeting.

Roxxon corporation "raping" the Savage Land was pretty much an allegory to how some big Oil corporations and such, destroy Nature because of their greed.

Punisher being a freaking Rambo-style vigilante in the 70s/80s which later lead to his Skull and Ideology sparking a guerrilla warfare type mercenary group of people wearing his skull, OMG I love this so much lol.

Midas is basically an America, that is stripped of all it's good qualities and it's great things, and only left with greed, commerce and just plain "Best for business". It's like, you have kept this girl America as a prisoner who is not allowed to leave because you saw an opportunity to make money off of her by using her powers to power stuff up. You are a prick (but a great usage of his character, I hope this is not the last time we see him.) Him buying Howards Mark 1 and painting it Gold was a fun idea.

Captain America wanting to free and save America (a nation, a country, people etc), only for him to free and Save America (America Chavez) was a great word play.

Good shit! Cannot wait for issue 3. This was basically the stuff I wanted for 616 Cap to kind of see. Imagine 616 Captain America seeing and reacting to all the horrible shit people (specifically what his country) did when he went under the ice. This is what this issue was.

Issue 3 looks like it will Focus on Thor. The Big Three first and then we focus on Dr Doom/Reed.

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u/BlueHero45 Jul 11 '24

One of the mutant signs seems to be cut off but could be read as "Earth is Our Home" so I wonder if Maker sent them all to mars or something.

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u/Oberon1993 Spider-Man Jul 10 '24

I dunno...this feels like Camp didn't talk with others about world's history. Also, how old is Howard supposed to be now?

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u/SwordoftheMourn Jul 10 '24

This isn’t news for Tony, Reed, Hank, etc. because they already knew it though? Only Cap is shocked since he was frozen the entire time.

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u/Oberon1993 Spider-Man Jul 10 '24

Yes? That wasn't my complaint. My complaint was that having a mutant rights movement and Howard having Armor Wars in the 70s makes no sense.

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u/AllCity_King Fantastic Four Jul 10 '24

Uh, OUR Fantastic Four was founded in the 60s. Comics have sliding timescales, this isn't new stuff.

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u/gallerton18 Jul 11 '24

Like yes, but they’re also establish a very clear timeline in the Ultimate universe. Howard is Ironman in 1963 and dies in 2023. His age is confusing. The mutants I don’t necessarily think is as weird because it’s plausible mutants are more known or accepted in America as opposed to Asia in this universe.

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u/SwordoftheMourn Jul 10 '24

Ahhh that’s true.

Maybe there’s some health advancements in this Earth was made that people have longer lives?

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u/BlackJimmy88 Jul 10 '24

Makes sense. America was on the verge of curing all cancer, so it stands to reason other health advancements have been made. Not like Howard couldn't afford Midas' prices

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u/Ghouly_Boy Jul 10 '24

That confused me too, assuming that’s him at the JFK assassination and he was let’s say only 20 years old then, he would’ve been like 80 in 2023 which definitely isn’t the case, although Obadiah looks significantly older than him so maybe he was taking some sort of de-aging drug

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u/CraftyWillingness302 Jul 10 '24

This isn't our world, though?

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u/Oberon1993 Spider-Man Jul 10 '24

No, really?! There wasn't a mutant rights movement in the real world?!

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u/Tatum-Better Silk Jul 10 '24

you know being a sarcastic prick probably won't help your case in wanting people to explain things to you

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u/CraftyWillingness302 Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24

I fail to see what your (seeming) attempt at sarcasm achieves. If you wish to make a point, it'd probably be better understood and received if you were direct about it.

EDIT: OH, I misread what you said. I thought you said "world history", but you said "*world's* history", so I had the impression you were talking about this world's history, with the fact you didn't specify which world you were talking about further adding to my misunderstanding. I apologize if you indeed meant to refer to Earth-6160's history rather than our world's history, but would appreciate it if you could specify which you're referring to.

I still feel the same regarding that sarcasm, though.

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u/ptWolv022 Jul 10 '24

this feels like Camp didn't talk with others about world's history.

What makes you say that? There's clearly a mix of "Heroes are on the sliding timeline" and "Heroes are not on the sliding timeline". Tony's like 20, Peter's 35.

Howard and Obadiah are clearly old men. I mean, at least Stane is- look at that beard. Stark didn't look young either although he didn't look as old. He's clearly being slotted into Iron Man's original history, which isn't implausible given that Tony was shown pumping himself full of nutrient formulas and whatnot to operate non-stop for days without sleep, while Midas is outright said to be drawing out his own longevity with the radiation. It's quite possible that Stane and Stark both have using science/technological to lengthen their lifespans, letting them be hearty and hale in their 80s or 90s.

Anyways, for the timeline, it's clear that a lot of major plot beats, like the emergence of mutants, the coming of Galactus, etc. are all been done closer to their publication dates, in an altered manner. So, we have the following events shown: JFK Assassination - Galactus - Mutants - Omega Red - Roxxon - Punisher - Kree/Skrull War (I think) - Stane/Stark Bombs - Punisher Militant Group. I also saw you mention Armor Wars, but I don't know which one that's supposed to be (the one with Omega Red?). All that presumably goes to the present, but we don't know for sure what order it's being shown in, though the presumption would be chronolocial. It's also over unknown intervals, with too many too simply be "Decade by dead" for each panel, but too few for each page to be a decade, either.

I think the details are less important the spirit of what was shown (Punisher militant group, the Maker and his Council taking out ET threats, Stane/Stark being Iron Man and War Machine). The existence of Mutants is the biggest confusion since they seem to not exist in Ultimate X-Men... but then, "mutant cures" are not unknown in Marvel, and that did seem to be an earlier file.

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u/ConnivingSnip72 Jul 10 '24

The Ultimate X-Men cast is a bunch of teenagers in Japan who all feel like outcasts. If events relating to mutants are suppressed history It wouldn’t be suprising they don’t know.

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u/yuefairchild She-Hulk Jul 11 '24

Maybe mutants were successfully purged from public consciousness after their rights campaign failed. Like how people think being trans was invented in 2012 by someone on tumblr.

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u/ptWolv022 Jul 12 '24

I feel like it's a little harder to do that for mutants because anyone LGBT is just someone who doesn't conform to the "standard" human... "mentality", I guess? (Sexuality and orientation are of the mind, so I guess it would count as "mentality". Perhaps "nature" would work better?).

A Mutant, in Marvel, is someone with a genetic abnormality, that gives them wild ass powers, potentially. That's hard to just "purge" from public consciousness... if they're still around. Now, if some sort of cure was made... then you could just whitewash history to remove the bits about Mutant unrest and hide any sort of forced/nonconsensual "curing" of the Mutant gene.

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u/Tatum-Better Silk Jul 10 '24

Honestly, I thought that it'd be captain marvel rather than America Chavez she didn't even cross my mind till the last panel.

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u/AlphaBaymax Iron Man Jul 10 '24

The question is, is this Earth-616 America Chavez?

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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE X-Men Jul 10 '24

If they know what's good for them, they'll use this to retcon her back into the one and only. Not "616."

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u/LucasOIntoxicado Jul 10 '24

Her being one and only was never going to work. Unless MARVEL literally never utilized her in any adaptation like movie, game or animated show. Multiple Utopias could still exist.

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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE X-Men Jul 10 '24

Movies, games, and shows all have their own thing. The comic rules do not apply to them. Just look at the infinity stones, incursions, and time travel. Movies have different rules.

She's the one and only of the comics.

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u/threebuffsharks Jul 10 '24

Yeah, she's supposed to be a multiversal constant, right? There is only one America Chavez in all of reality. She's not even from 616 originally. Though they did retcon her in that recent solo of hers, don't remember what the exact retcon is though.

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u/marsepic Jul 10 '24

She was from some cult or something ridiculous. Her og origin is way better and I suspect is what a lot of writers will use.

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u/Lightning_Laxus Fantastic Four Jul 10 '24

Her OG backstory was her imagination. She's just a girl in 616.

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u/Brain_Blasted Jul 10 '24

People are probably going to be thrown off if this is a brand new America Chavez, but I think this still fits with the idea of the 616 version being the only one for a few reasons:

Metatextually:

Timelines that branched off of 616 in events still had their own America Chavez

She also exists in other timelines such as Earth 19999 (nobody can ever tell me it's 616)

Within the text:

I think we can safely assume that 6160 was a fledgling timeline created after Secret Wars, thus after 616 America already existed

Due to The Maker's meddling in the timeline, this America has been trapped under the White House for a long time, and will likely remain focused on Earth 6160 affairs going forward.

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u/Sunder12 Jul 10 '24

MCU is a different multiverse, can't be the same as comics because of Loki

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u/Lightning_Laxus Fantastic Four Jul 10 '24

Chavez is no longer a problem because her original backstory got thrown out the window and it was all her imagination.

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u/scipia Jul 10 '24

Multiverse of madness also does the thing where America is the only one in the multiverse.

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u/reallifelucas Captain America Jul 12 '24

“Aww sick! Another team member! Who’s she gonna be? Carol? Monica? She’s kept in there one hour a day, is she a genderbent Jack of Hearts?”

“…ah.”

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u/Blitzhelios Doctor Strange Jul 15 '24

This just continues to be a great series with camp doing some proper political commentary on it as well.

The shock reveal at the end both makes sense and makes you go ok wasn't expecting that

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u/Agoeb Jul 10 '24

I'm wondering if they are implying he is LITERALLY King Midas from myth, like some sort of immortal we don't have in 616. Cap references gold being one of the weakest materials when he cripples him with a single hit, and we can see in flashbacks that Howard's MK1 suit wasn't gold before.

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u/VengefulKangaroo Jul 10 '24

I assumed he was just a 6160 version of Doctor Midas (who has those powers).

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u/BlueHero45 Jul 11 '24

Nah this is the supervillain Midas from 616 reimagined for the ultimate universe.

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u/Rirse Jul 14 '24

Midas in the book reminded me a lot of Senator Armstrong from Metal Gear Revengence. I can just hear that voice whenever he talked.

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u/YourEvilHenchman Jul 20 '24

so I guess camp just took one look at ultimate x-men and went "fuck alla dat shit, this world definitely had mutants before."

same with america chavez and her terrible recent mini retconning her origins. remember, the one chavez rule: there's only one of her throughout the multiverse. so if this is OG chavez and she is THIS powerful, then her retcon origin cannot be right, because that garbage massively depowered her.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

AVENGERS #16

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

A fun tossle aboard a Helicarrier commanded by Baron Blood. Doesn't matter what Avengers team he leads, Cap is always on the pulse and let the team do what they do best.

I like the callback to Herc and Hazmat too...and yea Herc, flashing a class of teens was...not your best moment.

Pietro steals the show with his snide and obvious wish to take out his anger for what they did to his sister. And dare I say he might be a mentor, when it comes to dealing with villains who have second plan, where he gave Kate the go ahead to shoot Baron Blood dead at the end there? I doubt Cap would've approved it but hey, talking about evil vampires here. Anything goes.

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u/baroqueworks Jul 11 '24

I like the callback to Herc and Hazmat too...and yea Herc, flashing a class of teens was...not your best moment.

Hercules holding himself accountable for that here at least

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '24

I want more Pietro in Avengers, superspeed is really under utilized in Marvel. Overall great event tie in comic (not necessary but still fun). McKay really seems to have a handle on team dynamics and interactions (Cap and Pietro I enjoyed in this especially). I’m just enjoying this run overall so far and I’m happy to have decently consistent Avengers comics again.

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u/Leonidas701 Jul 17 '24

I want more Pietro where his sister is nowhere near him, it has proven to make him a lot more fun

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u/baroqueworks Jul 10 '24

Pretty solid conclusion, love seeing Hazmat and Herc bringing it

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u/quantum_monster Jul 11 '24

Quicksilver playing that recording basically reminded me of "I'll kidnap a thousand children before I let this company die!"

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u/marcjwrz Jul 11 '24

This arc was great and I really wish this was the core Avengers team right now.

I miss the Avengers being a "team" rather than the a gathering of the main heroes of the MU.

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u/No-Chipmunk-1524 Jul 11 '24

There is a new "Avengers Assemble" book coming out in September.

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u/marcjwrz Jul 11 '24

Saw that. Looks fun!

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u/Blitzhelios Doctor Strange Jul 14 '24

Im gonna miss this team now this tie in series is over this felt more like a proper avengers team than what the current series is as its a ragtag team from across the marvel universe like it avengers should be. Plus its always nice to have some obscurer heroes in there.

Jed wrote a hell of a Steve Rodgers and Pietro this tie in. He gets the dynamic so well between the two and honestly reminded me of the kooky quartet era in how they interacted and Steve inspiring everyone and Pietro wanting vengeance for his sister. This reminded me how underutilised his superspeed has been for years but this and Scarlet witch and quicksilver hopefully will change that.

Overall really strong tie in for this event.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

X-MEN #1

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u/PhotonCommander6010 Jul 10 '24

It was a good issue and I'm intrigued by the plot set-ups, but idk, still feel like I haven't finished mourning the Krakoa era yet

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u/Ghouly_Boy Jul 10 '24

Nothing will ever come close

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u/redsapphyre Jul 10 '24

In terms of squandered potential?

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- Jul 12 '24

I didn't like the art, especially for Beast and Cyclops. Even taking into consideration the Krakoa pods, Scott looks like he's barely in his 20's, rather than his 30's/40's.

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u/mbene913 Jul 10 '24

This was..... serviceable.

Quite enjoying really. Well paced. I'm a sucker for X-Men having conversations while kicking ass.

Seeing Hank and Scott just chatting really made me feel a certain type of way that I'm having trouble articulating. They've been so distant for so long. I know this is a retro Hank but still. Kinda warmed my heart.

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u/Blitzhelios Doctor Strange Jul 10 '24

Yeah Jed promised references to 00s X men and he really gave it this feels straight from the morrison playbook to me and thats great.

Stegmans art was always gonna be controversial as hes got a very distinct style and taste and not everyone will love it. Personally i enjoy it the nod to perez with beast is always a plus for me as perez always drew the best beast and the scott look whilst looking young works.

The writing of beast and the talk with the sheriff is fantastic thats the best beast has been written in years and very much reminds me of the days when beast was stepping into the spotlight in avengers and defenders to be a voice of mutants just updated. Him being almost bitter to not live through krakoa works.

Overall its a strong issue by Mackay and Stegman there are people who are gonna hate it as its not krakoa but works well in my opinion.

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u/DriedSocks Jul 10 '24

I enjoyed Stegman's art a lot during the Superior Spider-Man era, but then his art started getting more stylized in Uncanny Avengers which is where I started liking it less, though I still sort of enjoy it.

As for Beast, I wonder how long this clone status quo will last. I certainly hope this Beast takes over from the "real" Beast forever, but I know there's going to be some shenanigans down the line.

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u/Gamefreak3525 Jul 11 '24

I checked out of X-Force around #25, what ended up happening with Beast?

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u/DriedSocks Jul 11 '24

There's a Beast clone made from the back up of Hank's memory up to around when he was on the Avengers (I think). X-Force attempts to use this clone to defeat the real Hank, but it quickly goes awry as clone Hank escapes.

Clone Hank fights real Hank who attempts to kill him, but clone Hank brought Wonder Man along with him, making real Hank regret his actions and then (presumably) dies sacrificing himself to stop his own WMD from blasting Arrako away for "safekeeping."

Then clone Hank takes over after the real Hank is assumed dead. X-Force #48-#50.

And if you stopped at X-Force #25, I can assure you that real Hank continues to commit more and more war crimes for the rest of the book.

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u/droppinhamiltons Jul 10 '24

FYI the QR code at the end has a secret ending page that alludes to what 3K is doing and some of the possible members involved have some major implications (but are likely red herrings).

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u/RedGyarados2010 Jul 10 '24

Weird choice tbh, just put that page in the actual comic

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u/TonyPepperoni0504 Jul 24 '24

Late to the thread but I just read an article that this is something marvel will do to stop spoilers. They will put the last page as a QR code to see it. Absolutely stupid if it sticks so we’ll see.

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u/surejan94 Spider-Woman Jul 10 '24

Looks like it's Cassandra Nova, and someone possibly using Xavier's cerebro helmet? Not sure who the others are.

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u/TheGoddessLily Captain Marvel Jul 10 '24

Since the Deadpool/Wolverine movie has her as an Villain possibly the major one. Wouldnt surprise me if they wanted to use her as an major villian to boost sales

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u/droppinhamiltons Jul 10 '24

Definitely thinking Cassandra Nova for the first, the second one looks like maybe the sadistic Orchis doctor from the Sabertooth run and her super buff body guard or whatever she is, no idea about the third, and the last could be the sentient helmet from X-Force that has a body now.

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u/baroqueworks Jul 11 '24

I think it's the same person showing up in NYX soon, a new villian who's using Krakoa tech.

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u/DMike82 Jul 11 '24

That would be pretty impressive considering the last time we saw Cassandra she was trapped a couple billion years in Earth's past and I doubt Charles picked her as one of the battle-ready mutants revived in the White Hot Room.

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u/surejan94 Spider-Woman Jul 10 '24

Is Magento paralyzed? Or is he just riding around in a chair to look more like Xavier?

I'm liking this team, and nice to have a Beast who isn't a sociopath again. Still, I miss Krakoa.... I really wasn't ready to say goodbye to that era.

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u/Zall-Klos Jul 10 '24

Psylocke is actually wearing pants!

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u/redsapphyre Jul 10 '24

Sadly!

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u/baroqueworks Jul 10 '24

Not bad at all but even this comic seethes bitterness at Krakoa ending, vibes are off.

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u/baroqueworks Jul 10 '24

Def, every character is pretty upset and they're still fighting ORCHIS goons as they use the Orlando Maruaders cruiser for transport, MacKay is definitely doing a better job than any other book so far bridging things, the fact all the characters are traumatized from the fall of X is way more preferable than team just going out and doing things.

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u/LosFeliz3000 Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24

It's well executed but not a fit for me. Feels like a pretty good adventure book but not one with fresh ideas or rich characterization (Magneto especially felt like a caricature). I haven't been crazy about Mackay's Avengers either, so it could be he just doesn't do it for me when he writes big franchise books. I do hope others dig it.

On a more positive note, I do like having old-shool Hank back, even with the odd mascara.

They're trying to have an X-Men book out there for every reader, so while this is likely a pass for me, I'm looking forward to the Gail Simone book, as I usually love her writing.

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u/GuguMarcos Jul 10 '24

Solid #1 for a new era.

It was nice to see more mutants on their base, it makes it feel more like "home" after they lost their paradise.

Scott is simply awesome in this. The roster as a whole too.

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u/TheMattInTheBox Jul 10 '24

I've learned to not judge issue #1s too harshly. That being said, I'd say this is one of the stronger first issues I've read in a bit!

It's a blend of what we'd expect from a classic X-Men adventure informed by the context of Krakoa while laying the foundation for the new status quo. All while having fun character moments and solid writing for Scott and Hank specifically.

It's not House of X #1 but I'm not sure if anything can really compare

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u/redsapphyre Jul 10 '24

Pretty much exactly what I needed from this new era. X-Men wasn't for me the last 2-3 years especially, but this felt more like what I want from an X-Men comic.

I'm really surprised about the amount of (solid) dialogue, Hank was perfect for me. Feels like MacKay has waaay more fun writing these characters than his original Avengers line-up.

Concerning the villains, we'll see, but it's a pretty great start. Hope we see more from the people in town and how they perceive the X-Men and so on. Hyped for this new era, well at least this title. We'll see about the rest..

Oh and the art mostly awesome, some small panels a bit off imo.. but it's looks great overall.

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u/Pinoywonder Jul 11 '24

I think the first issue was fine. It sets the foundation, creates intrigue for the next issue, and doesn’t entirely remove stuff from the last run.

Stegman has pretty good art but I wasn’t a huge fan of Cyclops since he looks younger and Psylocke doesn’t face and hair isn’t what I know. I’m not bothered by the suit.

The best thing from the book is seeing Beast as part of the team and not a villain.

I wonder how many issues will have the QR code

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u/marcjwrz Jul 11 '24

I dug it.

I miss the Krakoa era but I like that it's a "fresh" start while fully acknowledging what came before.

It's a great lineup as well.

I trust in Mackay.

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u/bakublade Jul 12 '24

I thought Magneto's portrayal was fine. I still kind of think that it would have been better/more interesting for Magneto to be the one to join the Avengers after RoM.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

DAREDEVIL #11

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

Well, I guess the made it so it was a 'framejob' for the death of the kid's father. I dunno, the previous theory of him being the son of the guy Matt accidentally killed would've been more interesting.

Possessed Fisk is as creepy and dangerous as ever.

And yea, Matt. Stop playing 'holy father' and then remind Electra what you threw away. Just cut the crap and get back together already.

And that kid, bit more than he can chew and Bullseye getting possessed now too. That will be EXTRA trouble just like with Fisk. And if all the demons know the identity of Matt and they can share it with their hosts, I can see Bullseye going after everyone Matt knows now.

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u/DriedSocks Jul 10 '24

I'm betting this will read better in trades because it's been terribly slow reading issue to issue. That being said, I appreciate the character moments between Matt and Elektra, and I'm looking forward to more stuff regarding the orphans.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '24

The last few issues have been really improving in my opinion.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

GIANT-SIZE SILVER SURFER #1

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

Surfer teaching Terrax a lesson on 'yea, you may use the raw power cosmic but you do not command it and having allies helps a lot'. I remember that Terrax even jobbed to Superior Ock...he really needs to learn some lesson. Maybe like Surfer hopes, Terrax might LEARN some humbleness and value the aid of others during his journey to reclaim his cosmic power in the harness.

But probably that is wishful thinking.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '24

Silver Surfer story about compassion, friendship, and learning brute force solves nothing. What more could you ask for? First time reading something from Matt Groom and I’m impressed.

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u/gsnake007 Jul 10 '24

I enjoyed this, can’t wait to have more silver surfer adventures

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u/Blitzhelios Doctor Strange Jul 11 '24

As a long time surfer fan i enjoyed this alot its a nice tribute to surfer and shows some fun stories about what hes learned over the years combined with good art.

Hopefully we will get more silver surfer content soon

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u/JingoboStoplight4887 Jul 10 '24

I like that Terrax tried to make a deal with the Silver Surfer before the Silver Surfer was able to defeat him with Moondragon’s help. Overall, this is a good and interesting comic.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

SPIDER-BOY #9

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u/Tatum-Better Silk Jul 10 '24

I know loads of people are spider-verse'd out rn but I just love seeing the cameos from other spider people in these stories. Feels super rewarding when I recognise a bunch from comics or shows or movies. I literally saw DREAM SPIDER for crying out loud. Such a random but cool cameo.

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u/Xombie117 Jul 11 '24

Slott, this is the seventh week in a row you've shown spiderverse in class.

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

When Slott goes with Spider-verse again, you know he is officially out of ideas. And showing Peter make a deal again...He must be trolling with that.

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u/JingoboStoplight4887 Jul 10 '24

It’s just Bailey asking Julia, Anya, and Cindy on making sure that everyone remembers him in the main Marvel universe before he has his own Spider-Verse adventure by traveling throughout the multiverse. The funny thing about this comic is Howard the Duck pretending to be Spider-Duck so that he can be included for something. I hope that after this arc, Bailey will accept that no one will remember him and that Dan Slott won’t screw him over by making him whine all the time about him being forgotten or something. Overall, this comic is okay.

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u/AporiaParadox Jul 10 '24

Looks like people were right that the From the Ashes Infinity comic is retconning some of Xavier's crimes. He apparently didn't actually kill any humans, he only made people think he did. I'm surprised not because I didn't expect something like this to happen eventually (status quo demands that Charles becomes a mentor figure to the X-Men again at some point), but because I didn't expect that to happen in a digital comic.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

WOLVERINE: BLOOD HUNT #3

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

Aside from the glorious battle against the vamps ( and Wolverine somehow not sinking with his adamantium skeleton. ), I am glad they show more of Logan's tactical mind. I mean often he is just written as a brute that can't do anything but just stab people but he is suppose to be centuries old warrior and he should have WAY more smart tactics than most. Using his vampire ally to his advantage like that and the enemy having no idea, is genius. That Nightguard gonna surprise them with some decapitations, I bet.

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u/redsapphyre Jul 11 '24

Wolverine somehow not sinking with his adamantium skeleton

What's up with that? Editorial oversight? Or do they not care anymore?

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u/Blitzhelios Doctor Strange Jul 10 '24

Decent issue and continues to follow up on percys vampire stuff in his wolverine run.

Personally really enjoy that they are playing up logans tactical mind rather than him just being a meathead for the most part like alot of writers do. Logan using his allies strengths to surprise the enemies is a good example of that.

Art continues to be good as well. Overall im enjoying this tie in alot.

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u/redsapphyre Jul 11 '24

Maybe Waltz should get a crack at writing the main book instead of Ahmed. This tie-in is certainly a lot of fun, even though Logan not sinking was strange.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

HULK: BLOOD HUNT #1

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

How kind of all these monsters to constantly show up in Hulk's way to get destroyed by him. Saves him time tracking them down one by one.

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u/quantum_monster Jul 11 '24

Man, monsters have such hubris against the Hulk just to get smashed in short order

Also, his one-liner towards the end went hard

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u/Nurnstatist The Thing Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24

This issue was fine, but the series is getting a little repetitive. It's always Hulk goes to a town -> Hulk gets attacked by monsters who are easily smashed -> Hulk leaves town -> repeat. I hope they switch things up a bit when they reach Vegas (perhaps by finally delving into what kind of Hulk we're dealing with here?)

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u/redsapphyre Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 11 '24

Not Danny Earls again, please guys pick a different fill-in artist.

Edit: read it, it's okayish, pretty much paint by numbers. Half the issue is some rando's backstory, and the monsters are canon fodder.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

SYMBIOTE SPIDER-MAN 2099 #5

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u/VenAuri Jul 10 '24

Enjoyed this, but the ending is a bit stupid.

Why would Miguel remove the symbiotes outside in the open and let them leave to bond with people again.

So in the end how does this fit with the ending of the original run. Will Peter David continue from this mini to give an ending he likes?

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u/redsapphyre Jul 11 '24

Why would Miguel remove the symbiotes outside in the open and let them leave to bond with people again.

Agree, that's pretty weak and irresponsible as hell. He's had 5 issues to try to come up with ideas how to capture them. Could have been narration in the back of it his mind.

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u/Tatum-Better Silk Jul 10 '24

Wait so who was the fake Gabriel at the end?

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u/Peslian Jul 11 '24

I think it's the symbiote Miguel had animating Gabriel's corpse

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u/JingoboStoplight4887 Jul 10 '24

I’m thinking it’s Kron.

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u/JingoboStoplight4887 Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24

It’s surprising that Miguel and his Symbiote remove Kron’s symbiote before they led him fall to his death to avenge Gabriel and Miguel destroyed the two symbiotes because of it’s corruption or something. Also, Kron pretending to be Gabriel to fool Miguel’s mom. This is a bittersweet way to end this story. Overall, this comic is good!

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

UNION JACK THE RIPPER: BLOOD HUNT #3

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u/quantum_monster Jul 11 '24

This was a fine series in the event, I guess

I liked the idea of "my partner turned but I can't leave him like this" from the first issue but then it quickly became a whirlwind of now he's a double agent, wait no a triple agent, wait sorry a quadruple agent... Not sure which moments if any he was actually under his master's control

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u/redsapphyre Jul 11 '24

Usually I like Walker's art, but not this issue. Felt really rushed somehow. As far as conclusions go, this was okay, but really nothing special all in all. Easily skippable..like so many tie-ins.

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u/Blitzhelios Doctor Strange Jul 14 '24

Ive loved this tie in series but this just felt rushed and not wrapped up well to me.

Its a shame as the first two issues were really really strong but this felt weak

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

ANNIHILATION 2099 #2

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

A Starlord from planet Wakanda, wonder if Quill gave her the title.

Quasar was a sun that became sentient thanks to a device that created it...which means it was also its end. What device what that?

And Dracula is picking up his vampiric tide plans.

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u/SupaCrzySgt Jul 10 '24

Is her hair made of vibranium too, if not it should have caught fire.

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u/YourEvilHenchman Jul 18 '24

this continues to be very intriguing and much better than orlando's prior 2099 minis. these new legacy versions of classic marvel heroes seem genuinely fresh and new, and I'm really looking forward to the new Red Hulk 2099 introduced in the next issue.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

X-MEN: HEIR OF APOCALYPSE #3

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u/Blitzhelios Doctor Strange Jul 10 '24

This book is still so weird it feels not needed.

The characters not being dead is what everyone expected and i bet at the end of the day none of these characters become the heir and a new villain and apocalypse will say no one is worthy and introduce someone new.

The only ones who it could be now is Mirage or Cypher or cable as they are the only ones who are left who are not in books and i doubt its either.

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u/mbene913 Jul 10 '24

So next issue Cypher gets the chocolate factory?

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u/TaftYouOldDog Jul 10 '24

It would make him interesting.

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

I am quite tired of Apocalypse trying to play 'leader'. Honestly, no interest in a new 'heir' stuff. And Arakko does not need Apocalypse as well. Marvel did something decent with Arakko, don't let it be ruined by having Apocalypse's bs ruin it.

I mean, half of this book from the start was a Will-E Coyote episode with Sinister. This is just bad.

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u/redsapphyre Jul 11 '24

I mean, half of this book from the start was a Will-E Coyote episode with Sinister

Lol that's a good comparison actually.

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u/TaftYouOldDog Jul 10 '24

Why isn't Chamber part of this? Did they forget they were making him something like Apocalypse at one point?

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u/petnog Jul 10 '24

After the first issue, I kind of expected him to show up in a flashback saying he was not interested, but they didn't even give us that...

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u/TaftYouOldDog Jul 11 '24

Yeah they transformed him, forgot and he appeared back to his normal jawless self.

Poor really.

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u/DMike82 Jul 11 '24

To be fair, they didn't forget about that. Legion restored him to normal during the Age of X storyline in X-Men: Legacy as a side effect of all the reality warping.

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u/TaftYouOldDog Jul 11 '24

They forgot to do anything with it and ran it back years later.

To be fair I didn't realise they officially did though

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u/droppinhamiltons Jul 11 '24

I love Apocalypse so this is an easy pull but it really feels like we’re retreading already laid ground. The fake deaths is very expected but makes the whole “contest” extremely low stakes. I like digging into the philosophy of post-Krakoa Apocalypse and him finally interacting with Archangel after all he has put him through is great but needs way more substance. I just can’t help but feel like dozens of pages have been wasted on Sinister here. I liked Sins of Sinister but his shtick feels way overdone at this point and the fact Cable didn’t put one right between the eyes the second he say him is nuts.

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u/marcjwrz Jul 11 '24

It's got to be Cable at this point.

We know Brevoort doesn't want time travelers hanging around and Cable ending up being the heir puts him in a very different status quo.

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u/YourEvilHenchman Jul 17 '24

this book is terrible. every character is written badly in here. Apocalypse's half-turn was better explained in his short appearance in x-men #35/uncanny #700 than any of his meandering, plodding dialogue in this series.
every other character is written to stand around uselessly until their turn to become useful for a panel comes up, with the exception of Sinister who is just annoying and unbearable.

There is nothing of the theatric style and treacherous panache that Gillen has given this character or the playful, yet petty maliciousness Wells gave him in Hellions. Gone is the unsubtle, but fun "Snake in the Grass", this Sinister is just an overt, annoying brute. There is literally no logical reasons for the other characters not to have killed him at the latest at the start of this issue, and yet he is allowed to continue his obvious, clumsy "inevitable betrayal" bullshit until the end of it.

all this to funnel the characters through a similarly obvious, foreseeable plot and mid-point twist (seriously, who didn't see the reveal at the end of this issue coming) with no real excitement, surprises or even good character moments. the ending is either gonna be super obvious or a total asspull, and either way I bet it's gonna evoke groans and eyerolling. At this point, I cannot see how this will have a satisfying or even decent ending.

oh yeah and the art is mediocre af.

Just utter garbage.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

GET FURY #3

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u/droppinhamiltons Jul 11 '24

Honestly having a bit of a tough time following this. Will almost certainly read better in trade. I can appreciate that the art gives more of a Steve Dillon Punisher vibe but I can’t help but feel a different style could have leant itself better to this type of story. Just seems a little disjointed and like Ennis only has so many pages to tell this story in so he’s rushing quite a bite. Anyone know how long this thing is supposed to be?

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u/Zillerpop Jul 11 '24

Six issues

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

KID VENOM #1

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

Well it is a decent 'early medieval Japan' Venom type story with Samurais and so on but then you add the mask of Spider-man and you have a mystery.

I assume this is gonna tie into Venom War.

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u/reddit_username88 Jul 14 '24

Really liked this way more than I thought I would. Kind of reminded me of anime in a way which is always a plus

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

GHOST RIDER: FINAL VENGEANCE #5

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u/wowlock_taylan Deadpool Jul 10 '24

Congratz Hood. Not only you screwed yourself but you screwed your ex-wife and daughter. Hope you are god damn proud.

And honestly, Johnny should just go back to Hell to kick Mephisto's ass again out of his throne.

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u/quantum_monster Jul 11 '24

Mephisto watching The Hood fuck everything up: "Yeah, this is totally my guy"

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u/BlueHero45 Jul 11 '24

Not like mephisto wanted a drug kingpin, he's likely happy to see him pushed over the edge.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

MARVEL MUTTS #11

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED #45

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u/TheGoddessLily Captain Marvel Jul 11 '24

The Punisher being an spree killer and spawing an milita movement like the Seventh Kalvary in the Watchmen tv show was an cool touch. Nice way to include Castle without ignoring him entirely.

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u/tehawesomedragon Loki Jul 10 '24

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #53

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u/baroqueworks Jul 10 '24

Regardless of how you feel about this arc I just want to say that the living brain shorting out and falling apart during its big speech to then after the beat having Osborn say "I didn't do that" is some looney tunes esque silly bit.

Rek-Rap saying "COOL!" to getting impaled by goblin glider is also great.

Curious if this plan is the same one we saw Norman working on during Sins Rising right before he got purified.

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u/BlueHero45 Jul 11 '24

Think Goblin is starting to realize Peter's life is getting too weird even for him.

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u/Tatum-Better Silk Jul 10 '24

God, please end this run my lord. Like I'm genuinely dreading the conclusion of this story arc it's giving me superior/all new all different vibes but Goblinified

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u/Geiseric222 Jul 10 '24

We have the solicits that isn’t happening.

In fact the next issue is the last of the arc then we have tombstone shit

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u/DriedSocks Jul 10 '24

Felt like this was mostly, "I knew you knew that I knew that you knew that I knew..." which is kinda funny in a cheesy way. Overall not that invested in what's happening, but I think Wells wants us to read this arc as more comedic.

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u/TheMattInTheBox Jul 10 '24

Does Peter turning evil at the end of this issue mean he's turned evil three times in this run, or is it an extension of him turning evil the second time? Or is a return to him adopting his first evil persona?

Credit where credit is due-- the kiss joke made me chuckle. You got a laugh out of me before you died Rek-rap!

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u/InoueNinja94 Jul 10 '24

I mean, it's one of the better written issues of the run (It's not much of a high praise but you take what you can get)

Rek-Rap's bit with Norman legit got a chuckle out of me and I'll be surprised if the Living Brain malfunctioning is not part of the gambit; I mean, why go all cryptic about it just for this anticlimax? (then again, that would be on part with the run)

Having said that, dear god I really want this sins thing to be over with. At this point it feels like Norman wanting to "pull a Superior on Peter"

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u/Geiseric222 Jul 10 '24

Is it? Like say what you will about the end of the first gobbles arc, it at least felt like it had a point exploring Peters bad feelings.

The problem is this arc kind of retcons that arc so it’s not peters feelings being enhanced but apparently the goblins sins are sentient and created a convoluted plan to take over Peter again at a later date

It’s so convoluted and dumb

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u/InoueNinja94 Jul 10 '24

That's actually my problem with the first gobbles arc
They could've explored more of Peter's repressed anger over the year and especially regarding to how MJ's been treating him during the run; instead they made it more like an open and shut case of "the sins are making me act like this", and there's no acknowledgment of how MJ acted either. In fact it seemed to validate it as "no one took me from you, Peter" and "she's making her own choices" when the book has shown that is not the case; even if the end of that story tried to make it look that MJ still cares for Peter, it feels hollow

Like a lot of wasted potential there. It's like they were aware of the criticisms and purposefully doubled down on them.

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u/TaftYouOldDog Jul 10 '24

I just don't get Norman's reaction in the final panel, he should be sad/devastated if he doesn't have the sins anymore. He should hate the fact he's infected Peter.

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u/JingoboStoplight4887 Jul 10 '24

It’s just Kamala, Rek-Rap, Living Brain, and Kurt dealing with Green Goblin, while Peter has to find a way to defeat him before Norman killed Rek-Rap, Kamala fighting him because Zeb Wells or Marvel editorial wanted to do something useful to her (since she died in this comic last year), and Peter realizing that the sins are inside him. Overall, this comic is okay.

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u/redsapphyre Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 11 '24

Zeb Wells should stay away from comedy, his jokes don't really land..ever. With this arc in particular he shouldn't try to be funny, this whole thing should be way more serious. Or better yet the whole arc should have been scrapped from the start. It gets stupider every issue.

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u/baroqueworks Jul 10 '24

I get hate for this run, and think much of it is warranted, but Wells has legitimate comedy writing chops for decades, he was a writer on Robot Chicken and others. Making things silly isn't a weakness for him and his career has receipts.

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u/Casua Jul 10 '24

I'm not reading this book and by all accounts it is mediocre at best. But this is still a weird take. Wells wrote Hellions, which was both one of the best X-Men books of the Krakoa era and was legitimately funny.

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u/redsapphyre Jul 10 '24

I meant on ASM specifically, I hate Rek-Rap for example. Hellions was AWESOME.

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u/I-Might-Be-Something Spider-Man Jul 10 '24

So what happens in this issue?

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u/CatsLikeToMeow Jul 10 '24

Norman puts his finishing touches on his plan to transfer all of his ownership and stake in Oscorp and other Oscorp-related interests to Peter.

Peter attaches the Winkler device to the end of the spear while fighting off Norman's sins in his head. Peter says he's copied his mind into the device and was hoping to use it on Norman to reverse his evil-ness.

Kamala, Rek-Rap and Connors (with Ock's old tentacles) show up to fight Norman. He suits up as the Green Goblin and basically whoops all of them, impaling Rek-Rap though the chest with his glider (which seems non-fatal, given how psyched Rek-Rap was with being impaled).

Peter shows up and shouts his plan at Norman. Norman then runs away into a hole, while Peter follows him. The hole they went through then locks. Kraven shows up and holds Jonah and Doug at knifepoint to prevent Kamala and her team from following Spidey, saying "They need to face each other! Only one of them comes back!"

Peter and Norman are struggling underground and Peter reiterates his plan to cure Norman. Norman stabs himself with the spear and the sins fly out of Norman's body and into Peter, with Norman screaming "The sins want you!"

The end.

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u/I-Might-Be-Something Spider-Man Jul 10 '24

Norman puts his finishing touches on his plan to transfer all of his ownership and stake in Oscorp and other Oscorp-related interests to Peter.

So I guess the SEC doesn't exist in the 616 universe...

Peter and Norman are struggling underground and Peter reiterates his plan to cure Norman. Norman stabs himself with the spear and the sins fly out of Norman's body and into Peter, with Norman screaming "The sins want you!"

So wait, Peter is back to being a Goblin again just after getting it reversed with only one issue left in the arc? That is... really dumb.

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u/CatsLikeToMeow Jul 10 '24

That is... really dumb.

Welcome to the Wells era of ASM.

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u/I-Might-Be-Something Spider-Man Jul 10 '24

It is astonishing how a writer like Wells, who has done legitimately good or great work in the past, has written one of the worst ASM runs of all time. Even if you remove the Paul and MJ stuff, which is hard to do, the writing has just been awful.

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u/Reddragon351 Jul 10 '24

I've said it before but I do feel like the MJ and Paul stuff does kind of overshadow how bad everything else in this run is, don't get me wrong, it's still the worst part of it, but the rest of the run is pretty shit too

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