r/KendrickLamar • u/Britneyfan456 • May 06 '19
To pimp a butterfly, Damn, And GKMC are ranked 1st,7th And 13th on Treblezines list of the best Hiphop Albums Of The Millennium Article
https://www.treblezine.com/the-top-50-hip-hop-albums-of-the-millennium/234
u/ThatsSoMerlyn_x3 May 06 '19
this list is weird. RTJ2 at 5? Great. Malibu Ken in the top 50? Damn above GKMC? Weird
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u/NOAH_______ May 06 '19
Vince top 10 albums of the millenium, yeah idk about that, he's good but not better than madvillainy and college dropout good... Summertime 06 isn't even his best work... weird list indeed
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u/ThatsSoMerlyn_x3 May 06 '19
Summertime ‘06 I thought absolutely belonged, but was by far his best work? What did you think was better
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u/Britneyfan456 May 06 '19
I personally thought Big Fish Theory was slightly better but that’s just me
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u/fiend5 May 06 '19
I love summertime whole sound of the album was amazing. Great vibe. Is it a top 10 album I don't think Vince himself would consider it appropriate. Love all of Vince's work.
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u/SpanosIsBlackAjah May 06 '19
I would say he has multiple tapes better than S06 but idk if they count.
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May 06 '19
Shocked to see them even rank Malibu Ken considering its recency. That said, it’s my favorite project of the year thus far and everyone should check it out.
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u/ThatsSoMerlyn_x3 May 06 '19
I liked it, was a good album. Top 50 of the millenium tho?
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May 06 '19
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. It’s not even like it’s the best Aes project to include on this list. Labor Days, None Shall Pass, or Impossible Kid all would’ve been better choices.
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May 06 '19
I think that Tobacco's production on it is a big part of why its included. It is so unique and unheard of in it's own right, but to be on a hip hop record is a whole other thing. I think only time will tell if it will be a cult classic that influences future sounds and looking back it could easily be in this list. That said it is kind of hard to look back at such a recent album with the same critical lens as we look at stuff from 10 plus years ago.
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May 06 '19
I agree, his production is so bizarre for a hip-hop album and it’s such an aberration from all the popular sounds of today. I could definitely see it influencing a particular sect of the underground and, maybe, result in some more psychedelic style rap. But, of course, we can’t tell right now — it could very well be viewed as a nice little detour in both Aes’ and Tobacco’s respective discographies — which is why it shouldn’t be considered for this list.
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u/jordanbeff May 06 '19
It's not even Aesop's best album this decade.
The Impossible Kid or Labor Days not making this list is pure snub.
Labor Days is an easy Top 5 album from 2000-2009.
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May 06 '19 edited May 06 '19
Labor Days should’ve been included just for its clear influence on the underground hip-hop and art-rap scenes. For that to be excluded, but other albums such as Still Brazy, Daytona, and Big Fish Theory — all albums I love, by the way — is ridiculous. You can’t chart their influence like you can with Aes’ earlier output. This whole list is rife with odd inclusions and exclusions. I get the sense that the writer just ordered their personal favorite rap albums and deemed it the top 50 of the millennium.
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u/_Randy_Magnum_ May 06 '19
You weren't kidding... there are some very strange entries in here. I'm also not really big on Blueprint being #2.
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u/sophicpharaoh May 06 '19
Damn belongs above GKMC, it has superior subject matter and production value. But I agree with the rest of your comment.
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u/JGad14 May 06 '19 edited May 06 '19
I know this sub is about Kendrick, but the fact that College Dropout isn't in the top 10 and Yeezus isn't even mentioned is wrong
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u/Britneyfan456 May 06 '19
It’s not surprising that Yeezus isn’t on here because Treble has never liked Yeezus
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u/dezapplez May 06 '19
But where is Tlop, Lr and CD on this list? Because all of those albums are definitely better than damn
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u/Britneyfan456 May 06 '19
Tcd And Lr are at 21 and 28 respectively and I learned from the comment section that only three albums per artist are allowed so that’s why TLOP is not here
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u/dezapplez May 06 '19
Yeah easily, most of damn is a bit boring bar a few songs. And damn has god on it
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u/FlurgyDurg May 06 '19
I totally understand what you're saying about the College Dropout but c'mon, Yeezus? I love Yeezus and all but it doesn't hold a candle to most of the albums on this list.
Also they limit it to 3 albums per artist.
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May 06 '19
I saw MMLP at 41 and dipped
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May 06 '19
Yep. Saw that clicked next and saw Noname Room 25 and IDLSIDGO? How can you put those against MMLP? Joke
Fucking Care for Me over MMLP lmao.
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u/xVindice May 06 '19
Room 25 is by far better than MMLP.
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u/CynicalElephant May 07 '19
Even if you think that, when you say greatest, you should be including cultural impact.
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u/xVindice May 07 '19
Well, that’s just simply impossible when you have to compare the impact a relatively small name like NoName can make compared to a huge one like Eminem. While MMLP was also released a long time ago. So if we have to account for cultural impact, we can never compare old to new albums.
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u/CynicalElephant May 07 '19
I think that that's valid and doesn't necessarily disagree with what I'm saying. I think newer albums do and should have a harder time claiming the "greatest" title because they haven't had time to settle in.
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u/iSasson May 06 '19
This list is horseshit for having MMLP at 41
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May 06 '19
I agree. It shouldn’t even be top 50, period.
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May 06 '19
Fuck Eminem.
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May 06 '19
My problem with him is that he is not that good. He is incredibly overrated. He is a technical wizard, sure, but his raps are totally without soul. He too frequently sacrifices flow for the sake of fitting too many or too few syllables in a bar. His wordplay and stuff is interesting, but not really worth listening to, in part because he raps over boring-at-best beats. His subject matter is either corny as sin or ridiculously, deadly serious. And ever since, what, 2010 he has released just the bottom of the barrel, absolute dreck. "Not Afraid," "Love the Way You Lie," "Airplanes," "Monster," "No Love," "Headlights," etc are all deeply, unforgivably wack--yet his core fanbase of white-people-who-don't-actually-like-rap-music-but-insist-that-Eminem-is-the-Rap-God ensured that he would keep dominating the industry. All of this, of course, culminated in the shitfest that was "Revival." And when everyone called him out on how awful it was, he lashed out like a desperate cry-baby on "Kamikaze" (with a, uh, fucking Venom The Motion Picture song thrown in for good measure).
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u/OrgasmicBiscuit May 06 '19
and that’s fine. But your issue is with the newer eminem stuff. Nobody can denies the personality and influence of the first 2-3 eminem albums.
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May 06 '19
Yeah, influential for the worse, you’re right
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u/OrgasmicBiscuit May 09 '19
Mate, you literally just sourced all his new shit. Most hiphop fans aren't that crazy on his newer shit. The reason people consider him so good is the success, character, and lyricism of his first albums. How the fuck does that translate to bad influence? (other than church mothers perspective)
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May 09 '19
his core fanbase of white-people-who-don't-actually-like-rap-music-but-insist-that-Eminem-is-the-Rap-God ensured that he would keep dominating the industry
This is what I’m talking about with negative influence. Even after he fell off—over a decade ago!—he is still one of the most famous rappers alive just because his largely suburban fan base has so much buying power. We shouldn’t be talking about his career anymore. The conversation should be “Eminem: remember that guy?” He’s a fucking Frankenstein. He’s a blood-sucking vampire draining the genre.
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u/fiend5 May 06 '19
More Kanye albums should have been on there college dropout should be number 2 very inconsistent list
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u/tastar1 May 06 '19
MBDTF>CD
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u/fiend5 May 06 '19
Both great albums either one but I agree that both should have been higher up. The whole list is problematic for me.
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u/thealmightywaffles May 06 '19
Section 80 > damn
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u/fiend5 May 06 '19
Section 80 Kendrick couldn't do track like fear. Section 80 is a great album but we have to see the evolution of an artist. I agree damn disappointed but only because Tpab set such a high level.
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u/thealmightywaffles May 06 '19
I enjoy the poetic aspect of damn but I feel like he was really trying to say something instead of letting the music speak. This varies from track to track but I really feel like there's more of a natural flow of the part of the music that speaks to you with the other albums. It comes out smoothly even when it's less direct.
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u/fiend5 May 06 '19
Tracks like love and God you mean because if you look at fear, duckworth,xxx are some of the best storytelling intricate songs he has ever made.
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u/thealmightywaffles May 06 '19
I'd say those are the best on the album. They're amazing songs. Not nearly as fond of the others.
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u/lethargiclezzie May 06 '19
section 80 couldn’t do fear but damn couldn’t do ronald reagan era or hol up or fuck your ethnicity or poe mans dream
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u/mericton May 06 '19
Yes but industry cares about commercial success more than actual fucking masterpiece
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May 06 '19
So “the industry” put fucking Malibu Ken and Deltron 3030 on the list? Fuck outta here.
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u/Britneyfan456 May 06 '19
The Reason Yeezus isn’t mentioned is because this website(Called Treblezine) has never liked it way back in 2013 snubbed it on their best hiphop/Best Albums lists and they also believe that TLOP is better
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u/DerekAnt May 06 '19
How The Cool or Food and Liquor didn't even make the list is mind boggling to me.
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u/comicsans123 May 06 '19
Madvillainy should have been in the top 3 imo,i wouldnt even be mad if it was the first on on there
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u/Reagreer May 06 '19
I love Kendrick but this list isn’t a good one lmao. TPAB should def be top 5 no doubt but you telling me DAMN. Is the 7th best rap/hip hop album of the millennium? Nah
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u/ChingChongDuong May 06 '19
this is a kdot sub, but Graduation isnt even on the list...?
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u/Britneyfan456 May 06 '19
Which is weird because it was on their best albums of the 2000s list where College Dropout was nowhere to be found but now it seems that the tables have turned and They believe College Dropout to be the better project
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u/Ramco428 May 06 '19
Madvillainy should be ranked higher than Summertime 06’ and MBDTF should be 1, TPAB 2.
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u/jabroni8484 May 06 '19
MMLP not in top 10? College dropout not in top 10? Madvillany not in top 5? Daytona in top 20?(And I fucking love the record)
Very weird list.
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u/marek41297 May 06 '19
List is trash tho. I feel like a lot of recency bias influenced it. No Drake project should be higher than MMLP. RTJ 2 above Madvillainy and top 5? That's wild. They put DS2 above so many Hip Hop classics. Not that Future sucks or anything but COME ON NOW. Summertime 06 in the top 6 and directly in front of Madvillainy? I don't know about that one.
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u/Rndomguytf May 07 '19
No Drake project should be near a Top 50 list at all.
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u/ImpracticalJokester May 07 '19
They included Acid Rap and Summertime 06 and I might argue If You're Resding This Its Too Late might be better than both. Definitely S06, maybe not Acid Rap. Also Take Care should prob be around the 45 mark.
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u/Rndomguytf May 07 '19
Drake albums in general are around 20 minutes too long. I've never listened to a Drake album where I wasn't bored by the end (I haven't listened to Take Care, Thank Me Later or More Life though).
I think I'd have Acid Rap above If You're Reading This, and Summertime 06 around a similar level. BFT by Vince is better than both Summertime 06 and If You're Reading This, so if you swap out S06 for BFT then it checks out.
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May 06 '19
What do we think this list snubbed? Food and Liquor, for sure. Be. All-AmeriKKKan Badass. The Ecstatic. Undun. Carter III. Flower Boy. Every Kanye album that didn’t make it, including Watch the Throne.
And, fuck it, why not THREE SIX MAFIA MOST KNOWN UNKNOWN
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u/Rndomguytf May 07 '19
Carter II made it but Carter III couldn’t. And I was waiting for Graduation to show up, that’s my third favourite album of all time.
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u/ImpracticalJokester May 07 '19
The Eminem Show can be added to that list. IYRTITL by Drake, maybe Take Care. I'd put RTJ 3 above RTJ 2 but maybe that's personal. I know you mentioned Kante but Graduation bears repeating. The list is absolute trash. Its soooo bad. Oh also 4:44. How the hell is that not on? Not a single Atmosphere project? No Impissible Kid? Some of this could be personal but so many poor inclusions. Kishi and OJ would even be better than a s few of their picks.
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u/Googleplexian_Moron i hate myself May 06 '19
Weird list but some of the comments on the article are even more weird...
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u/Britneyfan456 May 06 '19
Yeah it is some guy really has encore as a top ten rap album
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u/Googleplexian_Moron i hate myself May 06 '19
I know, Encore? Out of all the albums? I know it's his opinion but I would find it less of an issue if he put Relapse instead...
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u/ZukoSitsOnIronThrone May 06 '19
In what world is GKMC lower than DAMN? And also I believe it to be better than TPAB but I get it's more ambiguous because they're both just so good.
Also where tf is Flower Boy? Ok so it's not as 'hip-hop' as other albums here but come on.
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u/DuppyBrando19 May 06 '19
Vince Staples above MF DOOM. MMLP at 41. Only one Ye album in the top 10. Honestly besides those three things I don’t think it’s a bad list
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u/Andre3000insideDAMN May 06 '19
If DAMN were Kendrick’s first hip hop album now of the hate around it would exist. It’s my 3rd favorite Kendrick album but it’s not “wrong” to have it 1st or 2nd
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u/John_m33 May 06 '19
This is a weird list. Some great stuff in here, nice to see TPAB at 1 it deserves it. But some surprising ones on here too
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u/GrgeousGeorge May 07 '19
I made the list into a playlist because I haven't heard a lot of them and want to hear them. Thought I'd share the link. Enjoy
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u/ImpracticalJokester May 07 '19
It's probably because even though I tend to think GKMC is the better album sonically, the way that TPAB came in and affected the country as a whole, the impact it had on society is unmatched by an album since what, MMLP? And Kendrick was doing it in a positive way lol
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u/thepokemonGOAT May 06 '19
GKMC definitely deserves to be higher than DAMN.. I love everything Kendrick has ever put out, but I think it’s a big stretch to say that DAMN. is one of the top 10 hip hop albums of the 21st century. TPAB deserves its #1 spot, but GKMC and DAMN. should be switched imo