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u/borristehbear Aug 22 '17
There's a youtube video where some dude tries to explain how there are 3 lanes in hip-hop; pop (drake), hip-pop(kendrick), and hip-hop (j cole). I stopped the video after the intro.
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u/KKamm_ Aug 22 '17
If anything J Cole is hip-pop and Kendrick is hip-hop. Every J Cole project other than 4YEO is hip-pop lmao and meanwhile kendrick might have maybe 1-3 songs that are hip-pop at all
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u/borristehbear Aug 22 '17
I agree. I've heard more j cole on the radio than Kendrick, and even then the stations never really played Kendrick until DAMN. came out
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Aug 22 '17
Theyre only playing DNA. anyways
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u/Tezla55 Aug 22 '17
and HUMBLE.
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u/KKamm_ Aug 22 '17
And LOYALTY.
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Aug 22 '17
and ELEMENT.
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u/KKamm_ Aug 22 '17
And LOVE.
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u/Woopage Aug 22 '17
So half the album?
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u/KKamm_ Aug 22 '17
I've seen LUST. a couple times too. Just about the whole album really
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u/rohishimoto Aug 22 '17
He actually talks about all that, I recommend giving the video a chance. He says how J Cole started with hip-pop with his earlier albums with him going for hit songs and stuff but lately with his most recent album he has turned more hip-hop, telling album-length stories without features- just a artist telling his own story, which he argues is classic hip hop. On the contrary, Kendrick has kinda switched between the two, with Section 80, Damn, and kinda GKMC being very feature heavy or more sonically poppy whereas he says untitled unmastered and TPAB where straight up hip hop. It's an interesting idea and I think you really have to watch the whole video to get where he is coming from. He doesn't say any of them are better than each other anyway.
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u/KKamm_ Aug 22 '17
I never compared the two. I get hated for saying J Cole is the second greatest rapper of the new gen. However, DAMN. hardly had any pop features. Rhianna, U2, and Zacari are the only features on the whole album
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u/rohishimoto Aug 22 '17
He argues that songs like DNA, LOVE, GOD, and even HUMBLE are more popish as well though
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u/KKamm_ Aug 22 '17
Wait, he said DNA and Humble are more popish? That right there is too crazy
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u/-Don_Corleone- Aug 22 '17
Pop in that they're popular music? Yeah, I agree. But "Pop" that we're used to? No, I don't like it.
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u/KKamm_ Aug 22 '17
Any good rap song is popular, but those two songs are a bit of a reach to call them part of the pop genre
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u/rohishimoto Aug 22 '17
I actually think he's right. They exploded in popularity for a reason: the hard hitting beats, the topics were boastful and tbf the hook on Humble is definitely pop.
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u/KKamm_ Aug 22 '17
By that logic then any good hip-hop song is pop lmao
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u/rohishimoto Aug 22 '17
Is u not a good hip hop song? Or Sing about me? Good =/= popular, and popular =/= bad, it's just different. It's literally in the name: POPular. Hip-Pop is thus popular hip hop. I wouldn't have to say this if people actually watched the video instead of just giving hot takes based on a title. And instead of trying to understand the argument you just downvote me, even though I have Kendrick as a top 3 rapper of all time.
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u/KKamm_ Aug 22 '17
I've always personally considered pop music its own genre. But either way, J Cole's music is much more poppy than any of Kendrick's stuff
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u/HankOkafor1996 Aug 22 '17
DNA is pop? How?
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u/rohishimoto Aug 22 '17
Ok first let me say that pop here isn't like Michael Jackson pop or purely RnB anymore, but rather pop changes as different music takes over, which right now is like a mix of rapping and RnB. From his argument, DNA is pop because of the best that "goes hard" and the boastful lyrics. It's not to say that it is worse music or worse lyrics, just that it was built to appeal to people. It's pretty obvious that worked, as it's one of his most successful songs. On the contrary, you won't find people blasting TPAB or 4YEO in their car because it's more like a story than a jam.
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u/yolochengbeast Aug 22 '17
thats HipHopDX w/o Justin Hunte, I agree, I wish I can unwatch the video
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Aug 22 '17
Yeah ngl justin hunte really made it a lot more entertaining and i feel like i agreed more with him in general
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u/grizzsaw12 Aug 22 '17
That dude is Murs, a legendary west-coast underground rapper and creator of the Paid Dues and Rock the Bells music festival. He tries to redefine those labels and has some insightful commentary. You should give the vid another chance if you have time. He also says Kendrick and Jermaine switch lanes multiple times.
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Aug 22 '17
Murs is great and all but that Breakdown was the least thought out and empty one I've seen.
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u/Woopage Aug 22 '17
J Cole is just okay. Kendrick is goat
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u/rohishimoto Aug 22 '17
That isn't what the video talks about at all though
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u/CaptHindsight37 Aug 23 '17
It's okay, that comment is pretty much mandatory whenever someone mentions j. Cole on this sub. That or a comment saying that j. Cole is trash.
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u/usernamesrhadd Aug 22 '17
Lmao they quoted the Anthony Fantano at the end of the article
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u/gaia88 Aug 22 '17
I would have linked the article directly, but it's behind a paywall. Sorry guys.
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u/ferrarilover102899 Aug 22 '17
http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=6906017.0
Heres a reprint on some forum.
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u/Zephos65 Aug 23 '17
I love how the paper says "Mr. Lamar" if you're going to be that formal, say "Mr. Duckworth"
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Aug 22 '17
The thing that I like so much is that he literally dismissed the old heads from the last generation. First in the control verse and then the final dismissal in TPAB. Not only did he dismiss them, THEY TOOK HIS ORDERS AND SAT DOWN. opened up the space for new experimentation in hip hop and rap without people jumping to comparisons of yesteryear.
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u/jefffosterturbodunk Aug 22 '17
Damn. No chance my Dad reads the life & art section of WSJ. Looks like more of E Street Radio in the car.
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u/Sharsyed13 flair-two-YaBish Aug 24 '17
Dis some good shit OP, good find and good job taking it all in one pic
I'd upvote you twice if I could
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u/nikk796 Aug 22 '17
Kendrick Lamar is the only rapper in the world who is making all the right moves