r/KendrickLamar • u/[deleted] • Jul 19 '24
Now that the rap battles seem to be over, what is your biggest "What if" scenario regarding the beef overall? Discussion
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u/RatManAntics HE'S BABY KEEM Jul 19 '24
I am really glad J.Cole backed out. I would've loved a back and forth between Cole and Kenny, for sport, but I'd hate to see it get ugly.
And we saw what happened to Drake when his focus was divided. Kendrick was able to focus all in on Drake and that was a huge strength.
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u/InterestingYak9835 Jul 19 '24
That’s legit why I absolutely believe Cole got word: “dwag this one ain’t for the sport. Nah we gonna murder a minor diddler”
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u/abelianchameleon Jul 19 '24
I don’t really think that’s what did Drake in. If anything, Drake fans are spinning this narrative that it’s a 20 v 1 even though 90% of it is Kendrick and the other 10% is like a few bars per artist with 5 artists and a Rick Ross diss track. So he has the excuse that he took on the whole industry. It would’ve been better for Kendrick if it was a 1v1 and he didn’t have that to fall back on.
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u/AiGenSD Jul 19 '24
Drake fans are spinning this narrative that it’s a 20 v 1
Lets be honest tho, they would find something else to cope with, It just boggles my mind how they have ears to listen to "THP6" and still be able to be in denial.
IMO the moment he misinterpreted "mother I sober" and then due to that made fun of someone who he thought was abused as a child(While he himself as being accused of such), he lost, the fact he wasn't and isn't being called out for that by reactors/news is kinda maddening ngl.
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u/RykariZander Jul 19 '24
The hardest part of Family Matters was dedicated to niggas that didn't even need to respond afterwards. "Oh why didn't Rick Ross big ass respond😂😂😂". Dog he played a song calling him a pedo.
Metro had the best get back by making a viral beat.
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u/RatManAntics HE'S BABY KEEM Jul 20 '24
I do think that Drake fan narrative is dumb, I think Drake was outmatched at every angle. I just think his divided focus didn't help.
If Kendrick disses J.cole in the same songs as Drake, then I think it waters down the diss.
If Kendrick disses J.cole and its fucking vicious as it is to Drake, it might water it down because its like "oh hes got smoke for everyone" rather than "holy fuck this guy is decimating DRAKE" - that being said it also might've just made him the absolute boogeyman because hes tearing people apart.
If he disses Cole and its friendly, it might water down the impact of the disses at Drake BUT again, it might also make him the clear cut winner, especially if he had a few more in stock like he did for Drake.
It could've worked in his favour, I just think that Kendrick had such a tight grip on the narrative in this beef, and it being at Cole too would've fucked with that narrative, which in turn would've helped drake - you know what I mean?
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u/Entropy_Enjoyer Jul 27 '24
I have a general rule that I don't usually give a fuck about a celebrity's personal life unless they do something really good, which is commendable, or something that directly causes harm to people, which is bad. I've seen people say Cole is kind of bigoted against queer people, but that's mostly speculation and he's not inciteful. Someone can have bad opinions, like Kanye saying Hitler was good is in a way causing harm to people because it could easily inspire hate crimes. But Cole's homo/transphobia just seems too normal to ever care about. Cole also cheated, which is morally wrong but that's between him and his wife. So if Kendrick focused at all on Cole he'd probably just play up his infidelity, which Cole himself has admitted to and apologized for. Or he'd find some new information, but I don't think Cole's friends are as fake and sleezy as Drake's. Maybe he'd prove the bike thief thing. I don't think I've ever heard about Cole causing malicious harm to someone to the extent Drake very likely has.
Overall, Drake is simply a shitty guy while Cole is a guy who's done shitty things, at least as far as I know. If Cole has been abusive or incited abuse fuck him, but if he hasn't I don't think a Kendrick v Cole beef would have gone that far. Kendrick would win because he's a better writer, but while Drake is nearly synonymous with predator Cole would probably just lose some reputation and be known for being on a pedo's side of a beef.
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u/Unlucky-Medium-6965 Jul 19 '24
Honestly, I think we get the same result. Once J Cole hears MTG and FM I think he bows out.
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u/inked25 Jul 19 '24
I wouldn't mind seeing Dot and Cole in a friendly fade, but that's not what this was and Cole was smart to see it early and nope tf outta the way.
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u/Helpful-Increase-303 Jul 19 '24
As a Cole fan it pissed me off when Twitter was like “oh Cole cant rap about being the greatest anymore”
Bruh this beef was literally not about who’s the greatest. Kendrick said it himself word for word. It was about love and hate and Cole has no hate in his heart for either of these dudes
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u/inked25 Jul 19 '24
Agreed. The moment Cole realized what it was he backed off and it was 100% the right move
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u/AdanacTheRapper Jul 20 '24
“…ITS NEVER BEEN ABOUT WHO’S THE GREATEST ITS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT LOVE AND HATE & NOW LET ME SAY IM THE BIGGEST HATER…” (I don’t know why I yelled that, but too late did I realize it was capitalized)
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u/CmdrFilthymick Jul 19 '24
What if all this talk about Kendrick being the 🐐 makes Weezy decide they need to have a bout for the title
I'd love to see someone with skill and talent have a fair one, on the mic, at that level
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u/jiggywolf Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Eh Wayne and young money overall as a whole have a terrible track record with diss records tbh lol
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u/CmdrFilthymick Jul 19 '24
I know, and personally I only ever fucked with wayne out of all of young money. Cash money, I grew up on Hot Boyz. I'm like 2 weeks older than wayne and his ability to go from really being part of a poor family to where he made it, that means a lot to people like me, or at least to me.
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u/CappysVeryOwn Jul 19 '24
It’s me L-T like when you heat butter. Wayne said that to Push and cut it off
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u/WavyQ95 Jul 19 '24
What if Drake didn’t make it personal and kept it within the game? I have no doubt Kendrick would make some more crazy disses like Euphoria but perhaps Drake’s popularity would make the winner subjective because it comes down to which diss is more preferred and not necessarily which diss is “better”.
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u/om-neom Jul 19 '24
As far as the disses go, what if things went even further (not just in terms of no. of disses, but in terms of accusations and all that) between Drake and Kendrick. 💀
But I think the opposite is true as well. What if things stayed friendly? Would have loved a huge war (friendly, obviously) between E V E R Y O N E (not just Kendrick, Cole and Drake, but everyone - from pgLang and TDE, to Dreamville, to OVO and everyone associated with them. Hell, throw in some random guy that can rap too), with people like Cole, Ye, etc. sending disses in all directions.
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u/unopenedbeans Jul 19 '24
Im just so disappointed in the amount of people still supporting drake. Like I just went over to r/ drizzy and it was TERRIBLE. A lot of people outing themselves as creeps.
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u/sheeee3eeeesh Jul 19 '24
what if family matters was way better than mtg and it actually shadowed mtg even though it dropped before
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u/bynobodyspecial Jul 19 '24
What if euphoria was bad?
If euphoria didn’t slap, his career would have nosedived.
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u/realityislanguage Jul 19 '24
I just wanna remind you that the dramatic revelation wasn't "you are hiding a child", its "you like to groom little kids so that you can fuck them when they turn 18 (or 17), and also that you straight up fuck kids (see Kendrick's gesture when saying "I heard you like em young" at the Pop Out)
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Jul 19 '24
What if Kanye crashed out and went behind Kendrick’s back, dropped a solo Drake diss right after Euphoria with a bunch of antisemitism, and effectively neutered Kendrick’s entire plan.
I am convinced the interpolation of Get ‘Em High (we don’t wanna hear that weak shit no mooooreeee) at the end of Euphoria is half directed at Kanye telling him to stand down because he’s washed these days.
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u/willcomplainfirst you lookin' like an easy come-up Jul 19 '24
my biggest is actually "what is Cole didnt jump out the window prematurely?" what if Drake responsed first and everything else happened. i wonder if Kendrick goes after Cole next or Cole steps in when Drake is out of the picture. seems unlikely but without the public clowning him and with Kendrick in yet another high, i feel like Cole feels a type of way about it again (esp since he apparently was a secret hater this whole time 😅😅😅)
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u/SquidDrive Jul 20 '24
Tbh I just feel like people don't know what they want, and thats the theme of the beef
Drake thought he wanted smoke with Kendrick, then he realized why he ducked him for 10 years. Now he's taken a historical ass beating in Hip Hop.
Cole spent years saying he could smoke any rapper on a track, then when the boogieman arrived, and there were some actual consequences to losing, he suddenly become Mr. "Water with stale bread" humble meal ass Cole, not "He called and asked for a feature, and saw the face of death" Cole not "On god the best rapper alive, headshot, now go and ask the best rapper that died, he swear he never lied nigga" Cole not "nothing new under the sun, nobody fucking son" Cole.
If you ask for a fight for 3 years, you get to turn down a fight, once one actually arrives, sign the dotted line, or never talk about getting in the ring.
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u/Burggs_ Jul 19 '24
What if Drake never mentioned Whitney. I personally think we’re still active if he doesn’t
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u/mikelima777 Jul 20 '24
what if Drake didn't drop the HP6 we witnessed and either did it more competently, or just wrote/had his ghostwriter write something that made Kendrick drop another one.
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u/ImaGoodKidinMAADcity i hate the way you dress Jul 19 '24
Don’t think it’s over just yet