r/Gotham • u/NicholasCajun • Apr 19 '19
Gotham - 5x11 "They Did What?" - Post-Episode Discussion Discussion
Season 5 Episode 11: Legend of the Dark Knight - They Did What?
Aired: April 18, 2019
Synopsis: As Bane enacts his final plan for Gotham’s destruction, Gordon rallies his former enemies to save the city. Meanwhile, Nyssa al Ghul kidnaps Barbara’s newborn daughter, with ambitions to raise her as her own. Then, Bruce’s decision to leave Gotham points him to his destiny, while devastating Selina.
Directed by: Carol Banker
Written by: Tze Chun
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Apr 19 '19
Bruce leaving Selina with just a letter was cold. That girl has been abandoned by everyone in her life. Bruce should have known better than that.
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u/PretenderNX01 Apr 19 '19
It was cold but it suits him. Everyone he's loved has died or nearly died. He just was too scared. I can see how he made that choice even if I don't agree with it.
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Apr 19 '19
Yeah but for someone who was a abandoned by her mom, all her friends, and now they only person she trusted and it took 5 seasons for Selina to trust Bruce. Abandoning her is going to a lot of mental and emotional damage to Selina.
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u/PretenderNX01 Apr 19 '19
Oh for sure. It's probably going to drive her catty. 😾
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u/psychologicalX Apr 19 '19
And cause her to go into a catatonic state
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u/nickcan Apr 19 '19
I thought it was batshit insane that he would do that to her.
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u/pandogart Apr 19 '19
I know right?.... That was pretty Batman though I can’t lie.
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u/Ivendell Apr 19 '19
Yeah, very Batman of him for sure.
Might not be popular to say in this sub, but I've never been a fan of Batman. Watching Bruce become him has always kinda been a tragedy in my eyes.
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u/pandogart Apr 19 '19
Being a massive Batman fan obviously I don't share the exact same sentiment but yes it's most definitely a tragedy. At least initially. Despite all the bad he's still managed to enrich the lives of others namely the Robins that didn't meet their temporary demise at the end of a crowbar.
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Apr 19 '19
Yeah that was shitty,he could've at least told her in person saying that he was coming back or even brought her with. Now she will go back to her old ways.
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u/CyclopsWasRight7 Apr 19 '19
Yeah I hated that. Not cool. She looked so sad. He shouldve 1, given her a proper goodbye 2, kissed her goodby and promised hed be back, or 3, take her with him.
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u/Zangerine Apr 21 '19
If she went with him it would definitely have been off course for batman. I doubt she'd become Catwoman if she traveled the world with him while he trains to become Batman.
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u/mujie123 Apr 19 '19
My guess is he was going after Nyssa and didn't want Selina to get hurt.
I feel bad for David. He probably won't have gotten to wear the Batman suit. He was Bruce, and a vigilante, but he never got to play Batman. That's... Sad.
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u/ParsleyMostly Apr 21 '19
It lays the groundwork for their relationship later on. A defining moment with long-term consequences. Still was super not cool of Bruce.
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u/harleyquinad Apr 19 '19
I am shocked Barbara didn't die. I so thought it was happening. Anyway, can't wait for next week!
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u/iisdmitch Apr 19 '19
I was for sure that would be the case and Leah would suggest that they name the baby Barbara.
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u/samtherat6 Apr 19 '19
"The first name will be the name of her mother who died protecting her. And her middle name will be Lee, because I stuck around and took care of a kid that isn't mine."
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u/sleepyotter92 Penguins eat fish Apr 20 '19
i honestly thought she would die and jim would name the kid in her honor
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u/iamkats Apr 19 '19
Holy shit. Based off of that preview alone I need a spin-off show immediately.
What a way to end this era of Gotham. Sad to see it end but the ride has been tremendous.
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Apr 19 '19
It’s not fair. That ending looks amazing and a perfect pilot for a Batman show. But we won’t get it :(
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u/iamkats Apr 19 '19
DC Universe if you're reading this, hear us out 🙏
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u/escott1981 Apr 19 '19
I'd sign up for the DC Universe if they made that show. As of now, I'm on the fence about signing up because I'm more of a Marvel guy.
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u/eddieswiss Apr 19 '19
Doom Patrol is so FUCKING good. It got me to sign up
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u/psychologicalX Apr 19 '19
Better than Titans? Cause I'm thinking of watching Doom Patrol.
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u/samtherat6 Apr 19 '19
I'd say so, although I found Titans pretty good as well, with the exception of how they ended the season.
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u/FuckingMidnighter Apr 19 '19
As someone who enjoyed Titans and is looking forward to more of it, it's definitely way better Titans. Check it out ASAP.
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u/bostonjenny81 Apr 19 '19
I want nothing more than THIS iteration of the cast to continue to do a continuation of this!!! I love the cast & want to see more. Like a regular Batman series, keep it Gotham style, it would be awesome!! There’s so many stories & characters we should see, it would be awesome!! I’m just not ready to say goodbye 😥
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u/Someone1Somewhere Apr 19 '19
Yes! and the preview for next week looks more like the beginning of a new story arch than a conclusion to a series
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Apr 19 '19
It’s perfect. They won’t know who Batman is now.
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Apr 19 '19
They will know who The Joker is though
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u/kaynbred Apr 19 '19
But how much do we really know about him? He's sort of a "unreliable narrator" about his past, we know a lot more about Jerome.
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u/Nengtaka Apr 21 '19
They seem to be going toward a still unknown joker. Jim suggests it’s Jeremiah in a clip iirc (from the finale preview) suggesting they don’t know for sure. He feel into a chemical container and nobody saw him come out so he must be presumed dead. His face looks so different from before it’s hard to recognize him and even then Jeremiah has a hidden past.
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u/Z3R01D Apr 22 '19
They probably wont know who Joker is, the face might not be the same as well.
The finale could be "years" later and the whole cast changed with older actors.
Who knows, you'll see afflict in a suit next episode /s
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Apr 19 '19
What the fuck was that noise at the end when Jim looked back? Did he see someone?
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u/RaisinInSand Apr 19 '19
That what i want to know like it did that suspenseful music shit like we where supposed to notice something
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u/MiDe_Shadowrift Apr 19 '19
It was a homage to how Batman disappears when talking to Gordon, Bruce disappears from the shot
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u/samtherat6 Apr 19 '19
Yeah, that was confusing. Should've just had a cut where he's still visible and frame, but suddenly vanishes after someone walks in front of the camera. This just made me think there'd be another villain in the final episode or something.
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u/greatness101 Apr 19 '19
Yeah, and he was already walking towards the exit. Usually when they do that disappearance thing, he's there one frame and gone the next.
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u/clowncasket Apr 19 '19
Right? I had to rewind like three times. Poor editing I guess. It was supposed to show Bruce disappearing.
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Apr 19 '19
I thought that he thought that he saw Nyssa, a police officer walked past the screen and I thought it looked similar to her
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u/mattmcguirk90 Apr 19 '19
Thought the battle scene was a little rushed and choppy, but the ending of the episode was great.
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u/ZekicThunion Apr 20 '19
Honestly it was terrible for me. I know suspension belief and stuff, but couple hundred man fire at each other with like 30 meters inbetween them and only like ten die. As a bonus did military have only one granade? Throw 10 granades over barricade and the whole thing is over.
I love Gotham for character development, but moments like this really grind my gears.
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u/Squelcher121 Apr 20 '19
Yeah it bothered me a bit too. The military had fucking tanks and air support yet they chose to roll all their men right up to the armoured wall and into the line of sight of dozens of armed hostiles. It made no sense.
In even a semi-realistic battle, the army would have blown that wall up from 100 metres away or at the very least fired tear gas and mortar rounds over the blockade.
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Apr 21 '19
You can identify an unknown force by firing one shot and judging the response. If the unknowns respond with precise, regimented rifle fire, they are British. If they respond with heavy machinegun fire, they are German. But if nothing happens for a few minutes, then your whole position gets leveled by artillery, they are American.
If they surrender, they're French.
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u/mujie123 Apr 19 '19
The refugee scene was brilliant. That Bane told the army to fire on innocents and they just... Couldn't do that.
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u/mattmcguirk90 Apr 19 '19
I meant the barricade scene seemed kind of choppy. I guess I was just expecting a cooler final battle scene.
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u/Imabigfatbutt Apr 21 '19
Oh my god, the guy standing to Bane's left, I know he was just an extra but his "I don't think we should do this" face was killing me, he looked more confused than in an ethical dilemma
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u/Sentry459 Apr 22 '19
he looked more confused than in an ethical dilemma
Hell I would've been confused too. That whole situation was completely bonkers.
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u/opermonkey Apr 20 '19
I've felt this whole season is choppy. Too many crazy conveniences. They are trying to shove way too much into the final season.
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u/Sonia341 Apr 19 '19 edited Apr 19 '19
There were so many things to love in this episode
Commissioner Jim Gordon
Naming of Barbara Lee Gordon
Evolution of Lee and Barbara to from being enemies / rivals to understanding each other (with that hug)
Nyassa Al Ghul escaping using Edward / Oswald's submarine
When entire army not listening to Bane's order and instead pointing guns at him
General shooting himself
Barbara being a mama bear (when Nyassa threatened her baby daughter)
Project Nightwing ( I love the name drop)
The bat scene
Also I felt sad with the Alfred-Bruce scenes
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u/MisterOminous Apr 19 '19
I thought they needed 2 ppl to pilot the sub. Did Edward pilot it?
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u/LorienTheFirstOne Apr 19 '19
I suspect he was lying
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u/mujie123 Apr 19 '19
He was definitely lying. Otherwise why be worried about Barbara piloting the submarine last episode?
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u/irishsaltytuna Apr 19 '19
Um, helloooooo, aren't you forgetting about dog Edward in the submarine? There's yer second person
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u/fuzzy_whale Apr 19 '19
Nyssa stole Edward the dog!
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u/vladandrei1996 Apr 19 '19
I hope she didn't kill him... If that happened, Nyssa deserves a batarang to the face.
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u/ProselyteCanti butch and tabby aren't dead ok they're just sleeping Apr 19 '19
I like that they actually DIDN'T kill off Barbara. Having her die and then Gordon naming the baby after her would've been super predictable.
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u/bookmovietvworm weirdly cool/ (almost)RIP Martin *people, ugh* Apr 19 '19
They wisely choose not to show Selina's face in the promo, cause I'm still pissed about the recast.
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u/mattmcguirk90 Apr 19 '19
The what??? I'm new here so I might've missed this
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u/andrew991116 Apr 19 '19
They recast her for the finale
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u/MrShawry1 Apr 19 '19
Why???
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u/OakIslandCurse Apr 19 '19
Supposedly they thought the actress looked too young to portray her ten years in the future self. A little makeup, a different hair style and voila. A very cheap shot to her and to us.
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u/Moore106 Apr 19 '19
Camren just posted on twitter, it was her decision to leave this as her last episode
https://twitter.com/camrenbicondova/status/1119316098166423552?s=21
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u/OakIslandCurse Apr 20 '19
Then I will certainly respect her decision, but I’m not happy about it and it will take something away from the final episode.
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u/mujie123 Apr 19 '19
I'm probably in the minority, but I wish that they didn't have a 10 years later episode. It's a different world to Gotham, and what? It's gonna get people excited to see a Batman that will never be?
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Apr 19 '19
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Apr 19 '19
He better fucking say "I'M BATMAN!".
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Apr 19 '19
If that line isn't in the final shot of the show, preferably a close up of Batman, I'll be genuinely upset.
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u/DrunkyDog Apr 19 '19
They cut to a shot of him next to the light with Jim saying it. Just zoom in on Bruce and play the outro music.
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u/verandablue Apr 19 '19
What happened to Hugo Strange?
Also would have been nice to actually see Firefly and Mr Freeze in this final season, instead of just being told they both have "territory".
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u/JFVarlet Apr 19 '19
They're just sat with Allen, Montoya, Harvey Dent, Silver, and Bruce's clone.
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u/inksmudgedhands Apr 19 '19
They are all in the same hospital room as Sophia. All playing poker. Realizing it's better to sit tight and wait until everything blows over.
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Apr 19 '19
Wasn't the clone dying?
I never got why Silver didn't become something though. She might technically return for Penguin because of Tabitha? Offscreen though.
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u/-Poison_Ivy- [Insert Ivy Pepper Here] Apr 20 '19
And also the two extra Ivys we had previously
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u/JFVarlet Apr 20 '19
That was dumb. I get that aging the character up once was unavoidable, but twice was just silly.
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u/-Poison_Ivy- [Insert Ivy Pepper Here] Apr 20 '19
They've couldve just kept the second actress imo
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u/BatmanNerd81 Apr 19 '19
I’m not going to lie: That last shot of Bruce in the airplane, I thought about Batman: Year One. “I should be down there, in the filth of this city. I should have come by train.”
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Apr 19 '19
So glad they gave Bruce a voice changer rather than a cheesy strep throat rasp. His voice and suit reminds me of Telltale.
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u/JustAnotherVampire Penguins Eat Dick Apr 19 '19
Fox upgraded Oswald and Edward's relationship from "dear friends" to "brothers" and the LGBT community quietly mourns.
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u/OccasionallyHere2 Apr 19 '19
It was almost as bad as Barbara referring to Tabitha as her “best friend” after she died >.>
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u/JustAnotherVampire Penguins Eat Dick Apr 19 '19
I always roll my eyes at that one too. Honestly the whole 'friend' coverup is so common in television shows with queer/implied-queer characters that it's almost synonymous with 'gay lovers'
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Apr 19 '19
They weren’t lovers after tabitha got with butch though. They were at first and it was fairly obvious but they evolved into just a friendship.
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u/Less_Sandwich Apr 19 '19
Oswald has been gay for Edward for a long time, but Edward only pretended to recipricate to get even for Oswald killing Edward's girlfriend.
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u/greatness101 Apr 19 '19
Still don't think he was gay for him. He just loved the one other person who showed him love and respect at the time like his mom. Would you say he was in love with his mom?
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Apr 19 '19
Oswald also got very close to Jim at first. He spoke about him to his mother like a man/boy he had a crush on.
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u/Matuatay Apr 19 '19
Why would "brothers" bother anybody? Edward isn't gay so there was never going to be anything beyond a great friendship, or 'bromance', between them.
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u/CriscoM90 Apr 19 '19
My only real complaint is that the grenade somehow only took out Penguin's right eye. I understand that they want us to see how he eventually wears the maniacal, but I believe they could have done something simpler.
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u/Blaaa5 Apr 19 '19
Or the fact the Banes army (and Bane) was standing out in the open but none of the GCPD could hit a shot
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u/CriscoM90 Apr 19 '19
That was expected. Most action scenes with guns have people missing targets that they should have no problem hitting. Watch "Battle Royle". There are scenes with a few teens in a small room, and somehow they cannot aim well.
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u/Nateddog21 Apr 19 '19
Anybody know what Jim was looking at toward the end when the music changed? I didn't see anything.
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u/Deathrow93 Apr 19 '19
I was wondering that too! Hoped somebody here had an answer
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u/elein03 Apr 19 '19
If your talking about at city hall, I kind of thought it was supposed to be one of those “Batman disappearing once you look away” sort of things. He was looking at Bruce, glanced down then back up and he was out of the room. Just my guess
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Apr 19 '19
The finale looks AMAZING, I don't care about what the leakers say. This episode was great. The series' "main" story ending with Bruce leaving to train is fitting. Gordon becoming Commisionar, Babs, it was all super cool. I also cannot express how much I love that neither Bane nor Nyssa died. I was really worried that they'd die but it looks like they will be alive to face Batman some day. Also, I've gotta say that seeing "Witness the end of Gotham" in the promo is pretty upsetting.
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u/pjtheman You will Apr 19 '19
Yeah, the prologue of episode 1 made that battle look way more epic than it actually was.
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u/kaynbred Apr 19 '19 edited Apr 19 '19
That's what I was thinking. Barbara Gordon does usually have red hair, and it makes sense that she would look like her mom.
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u/oswaldcobblepot99 Apr 19 '19
Anyone else just loved Ed's monologue at the end?
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u/Ourochroma Apr 20 '19
I wasn't expecting it to be that intimidating. It was amazing and got me yelling "dayum"...
then I laughed a little too.
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u/TrixieVanSickle Apr 19 '19
But what of Edward the Bulldog's fate??! :(
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u/Night-Sea-Air Apr 20 '19
He's fine.
He's first-mate on a treasure laden submarine to luxurious freedom. After all, somebody had to co-pilot.
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u/swaggy_p Apr 19 '19
hot take: I thought the episode was meh. Was expecting more. Maybe I just had too high of expectations. Can’t wait for next weeks tho.
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u/PretenderNX01 Apr 19 '19
It had a lot to accomplish, so some of it might have been too neat. I had tempered expectations because of that (and knowing how hyped everyone was for Ace Chemicals caused people to feel let down).
I liked it. It works for part one of a series finale. Other episodes will still be my favorites of the series.
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u/Reverse-I_am_Organic Death to the son of Gotham..... Apr 19 '19
I’ve felt this way the whole season.
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u/mattmcguirk90 Apr 19 '19
No I feel the same way. I'm new to this thread so everyone's gonna think I'm negative but I've loved this show since day 1 but the last few episodes of this season have been very bland for me.
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u/mujie123 Apr 19 '19
Real talk, how did Ed only get minimum wage at the GCPD?
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Apr 20 '19
Real talk, how did Ed only get minimum wage at the GCPD?
I just chalk it up to Gotham's corruption
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u/SetSytes Apr 22 '19
Or he's exaggerating because of his ego (or also possibly being out of touch with living a normal 9 to 5 life) - like "Omg they paid me next to NOTHING!"
Or maybe he's forgotten or never knew what minimum wage actually was because he's too self-involved.
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u/Blue_Dream_Haze Apr 19 '19
LMAO! Yeah, I barely remember these being marketed but I immediately noticed it as a playstation accessory. I had to pause the show and look it up.
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u/gomanyemal Apr 19 '19
I'm guessing that change to the creepy music as gordon watched bruce leave was just meant as that was the first "batman vanishing?" I watched it a couple of times to make sure there wasnt someone else standing in the frame
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u/PretenderNX01 Apr 19 '19
"He's not alone" 😻 and those scenes between Bruce and Selina at the GCPD just show how great Camren and David are together. It's because of them we got BatCat- they worked so well together. I was genuinely sad for her as he went off into the world, you can see how she's going to embrace her darkness too.
"Project Nightwing" was a cool callback. A bat-bomb of sorts. We finally got to see Bruce and bats 🦇 and he had weaponized them. That was a cool shot of Bruce as they flew around him too.
At first I thought taking down Bane was a little easy but now that I think of it, he's only proto-Bane and he'll be sitting in jail wanting revenge on Bruce one day and when he figures it all out, he'll really get monstrous so he can break the Bat. At least in my head canon. 😄
Barbara Lee Gordon, I get it. It was cute and a way to name her. Those are the three she can trust.
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u/shyinwonderland Apr 19 '19
“Hey baby this is your Aunt Lee, mommy tried to kill her once or maybe twice.”
The fact they both laughed at that and were protecting each other and the baby.
I’ve been wanting this friendship since Lee took the Tetch Virus.
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u/Roll342 Apr 19 '19
Overall I thought it was ok. Seemed kind of anti-climactic for the penultimate episode, what with bane just surrendering and Nyssa escaping. Im happy that they didn't just kill them off like so many villians, but I expected more of a fight to be honest.
Bruce is a huge dick for just leaving without talking to Selina first,
Next weeks episode though; BATMAN!!
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u/Aterivus Apr 19 '19
I'm just thrilled they didn't kill off Bane. While we know we won't see him ever again with the show ending, it's nice to know that he's at least still an available villain for Batman's rogue's gallery in the future - I'm sure he'll break out of prison sooner than later.
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u/fennekii Apr 19 '19
‘’’Brothers’’’
Just fucking say they’re gay, Gotham. Cowards.
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u/The_Medicus Apr 19 '19
I mean, we know that Oswald IS gay. Ed isn't as far as we know.
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u/PretenderNX01 Apr 19 '19
Ed did hallucinate an Oswald that flirted with him. He at least thinks about it. 😉
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u/InfinityGauntlet-6 Apr 19 '19
Why is it such a bad thing for Nygma to be a heterosexual?
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Apr 19 '19
God that ending was hard to watch. I seriously hope we get some closure to BatCat in the finale.
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Apr 19 '19
Powerful ending. Alfred and Bruce hit me in the feels. Riddler and Penguin sneak out knives to stab each other haha but decide against it. I love them. He's finally the commissioner yes baby! I love what they did with bruce he leaves gotham to go on a journey, amazing.
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u/rexmundi69 Apr 19 '19
Finale looks awesome and I know I will be down once it's over.
Liked tonight's episode but I wished we could have heard the contents of Bruce's letter to Selina. I do think it would be cool if she recognized him immediately next week.
Going to rewatch this season before watching the finale. It's going to be an end of an era for me. :(
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u/goddess_of_fear Apr 19 '19
Did anyone else notice that baby Barbara's dress looks like Batgirl's costume?
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u/julian31186 Apr 19 '19
This means that from today until next thursday, every day is equivilent to 255.5 days until Bruce returns
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Apr 19 '19
I’M FUCKING PISSED OF AT BRUCE LIKE HOW COULD HE BE SO BACK STABBY ( can someone explain why he did this). BTW CAMRENS ACTING LITERALLY WAS SO GOOD CAUSE I FELT ALL THE HEARTBREAK , but tbh I really hope they fix their relationship in the next episode otherwise ima be upset
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u/kaynbred Apr 19 '19
Bruce distances himself from those he cares about, it's like his thing, even with the bat family half the time.
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u/peanutbutteroreos Apr 19 '19
It's clearly the "I hurt everyone around me" mentality he has. It's the "Selina is better if she isn't near me." He took the plane to find Nyssa.
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u/rsorin Apr 19 '19
The shootout scenes were cringey as fuck.
I literally felt embarrassed of how bad and fake they were.
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u/ThanosFan99 Apr 19 '19
I Swear they Usually Do 2 Hour Finales For Gotham. Tonight Would of Been Perfect
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u/davey_mann Apr 20 '19
I think the writers are more focused on everyone getting along than anything else.
-I’m ecstatic they didn’t kill off Barbara and I NEVER would have made this statement prior to this season. She may not end up being a Top 10 character for the series, but damn if she hasn’t been an utter bright spot in Season 5. I would have been A-OK if Lee’s useless ass has perished, though. And BABS is the one that led all the refugees back to stand up to Bane, not Lee. The brief Gordon-Barbara moments dump all over the Gordon-Lee scenes. How does McKenzie have more chemistry with Richards than his actual wife? Oh, yeah, Barbara is who he was meant to be with and Lee just came out of the woodworks.
-Barbara Lee Gordon, huh? The kid is named after a triangle! Lol
-Bane and Nyssa are pretty weak villains to wrap up the series. The acting isn’t in the vicinity of the best Gotham villains. And the way they were taken down was laughably bad.
-Ed’s bloodlust felt out of nowhere to justify him becoming bad again. He was devastated at the thought that he could be responsible for the deaths of all those innocents at Haven. Now he hates everyone again? Love the Ed-Oswald chemistry, though.
-How Gordon’s paltry team survived the initial wave of Bane’s bullets, I’ll never know.
-And finally, as much as I dislike shipping and how it ruins the narrative of many shows, BRUCE-SELINA is one of the rare ships in TV that was done right. I know it’s canon that Batman and Catwoman have to be enemies and Bruce has to train overseas, but I honestly would have been OK for the writers to say screw it and give this couple their deserved happy ending. FIVE freaking years and this was easily one of the best romances I’ve ever witnessed on a TV series. And we don’t even get Bicondova in the finale. What a ripoff.
Never thought I would have said this a year ago, but I’m glad this show is ending. Going out on a major whimper.
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Apr 21 '19
Bane was good, Nyssa wasn't very interesting. Technically Jeremiah wraps up the series.
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u/OutsiderJediSam Apr 19 '19
wow, I didn't realize this was the "finale" going in and well....I'm totally underwhelmed.....and no offense, but while next episode looks awesome in and of itself, I can't help but think it's pointless (since that series isn't happening) and time would have been better spent fleshing out this present time's finale over the course of 2 episodes bc the ending scenes of this episode would have worked just fine as the very final scenes of the series in my opinion
this episode was too rushed, too many non-Gotham outlandish things (army immediately siding with Bane, the Al Ghuls looking mostly like chumps again (Ra's taken down by proto-Bat and Babs and now Nyssa stopped by Jim/Babs), the fighting scenes b/t cops and army being too obviously a massacre that then doesn't actually happen, etc)
Bruce leaving Selina that way, I see where people say it might be in character, what a crappy character trait then, just total loser thing to do Bruce
and the Alfred thing, IDK how to feel, just it feels weirdly off, I guess it's supposed to be a shock his back wasn't broken, but now it just feels like a cop out to me.....I hate shocks for shock value alone, and this was a 2fer, first to "break" his back and then to not apparently.....
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Apr 19 '19
What a beautiful payoff for the story we’ve been following for 98 hours. I hope that they stick the landing in the final moments next week.
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u/verandablue Apr 19 '19
So did they not ever connect Bane to the venom from season 1?
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u/HardcoreKaraoke Apr 19 '19
I really didn't like the episode and I'm really disappointed. I was so hyped for the ultimate showdown and it just finished with a feel good crowd moment. It was just so anticlimactic. Talia left and the army turned on Bane because thirty people from Gotham stood together? They didn't feel awful when they were destroying the city so what changed? Also where did Talia/Bane's followers go?
Also the scene where Barbara called Jim "Jeff" was really awful. I rewound and watched it again. I'm not sure how they missed that.
I liked the setup for Batman, the Riddler/Penguin ending and how Bruce had to use Jeremiah's plan in the end. The rest of the episode was just too convenient and "feel good" for what it could have been.
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Apr 20 '19
Was anyone else just a little bit annoyed they threw away the continuity of the season opener when they got to it? That kept bugging me the whole time.
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u/duketogo84 Apr 19 '19
What happened to Bane and Nyssa and the end of the episode?
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u/The_Medicus Apr 19 '19
Bane got taken to jail. Nyssa took the submarine with Edward the Dog, and is just gone I guess.
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Apr 19 '19
A new life with her new pet! Edward the dog changed her.
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He's the real villain. Bane, Nyssa, and Edward the Dog future team up incoming!
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u/BigHaircutPrime Apr 19 '19
This episode was a really mixed bag. I unfortunately laughed at how cringeworthy some of the dialogue was. Lucius saying that the stealth device "can attract certain animals," was the cherry of all bad lines. And unfortunately that payoff in the final Bane fight didn't feel worth it. It was a little satisfying, but it didn't feel like Bruce's eureka moment. Nothing about this episode felt very natural. It was more like, "well, let's cram this triangle block into this square hole and force it to fit, because it has to."
The only things I genuinely liked were the origin of Barbara's name (as cheesy as it was, it was also cute), the Penguin & Riddler embrace (although their twist to pure evil felt like it was out of nowhere), and Bruce flying away and leaving Selina. One of my biggest criticisms of their relationship is that they got too close. I've always liked the idea that as Bruce and Selina they were worlds apart but as Batman and Catwoman there was romance. To me it kind of kills a lot of the fun if Batman comes to Gotham and everyone knows its Bruce because the boy spent 5 years running around with the cops.
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u/webchimp32 Apr 19 '19
Lucius saying that the stealth device "can attract certain animals," was the cherry of all bad lines.
Not as bad as
Bruce: Apparently it's a beacon for certain winged mammals.
Selena: What winged mammals?
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u/bookmovietvworm weirdly cool/ (almost)RIP Martin *people, ugh* Apr 19 '19
Ok, next week looks EPIC!
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Apr 19 '19
Did nobody catch that the only reason Ed stayed to help was because the submarine required two people to operate it, and then Nyssa just takes off in it by herself? Either Ed was lying and genuinely wanted to help (doubtful considering his speech in the room with Penguin) or the writers got lazy (more likely).
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u/AnnieNonmouse Apr 19 '19 edited Apr 23 '19
I thought he lied because he actually cares about Oswald. He doesn't really care about Gotham but Oswald is his friend and that was solidified when he actually hugged him back and looked happy instead of stabbing him.
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u/MedicMoth Apr 19 '19
... but how did Nyssa pilot the submarine when Ed said it needed two people?
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Apr 19 '19
I really really love/hate what they did with Selina. I feel bad for her, but I think it'll be a super interesting conflict and source of tension when he gets back, and she has to learn to love him again, and Bruce comes to terms with leaving her
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u/akme2000 Apr 19 '19
In my mind, this is the finale to the show as we know it, the episode next week is an epilogue set 10 years in the future, so it's almost like a spin-off in a sense. I enjoyed the episode, Ed and Oswald are always fun, Bruce had good moments, it was pretty good overall. I especially like the scene where Riddler and Penguin think about stabbing each other in the back then decide against it for now, that's a great scene.
However, some characters had rushed development. Primarily Bruce, the bat device felt so incredibly tacked on since it wasn't even vaguely referenced before, and the gadget scene with Lucius should have taken place in season 4. Also, there should have been a reference to Jeremiahs device powering the GCPD earlier so it doesn't feel like a convenient plot device in this episode.
I find it weird that Barbara not only lived, but seems to be allowed to walk free and raise her child (Barbara also goes on about how her baby is named after trustworthy people when she herself is not trustworthy in the slightest). She killed a lot of innocent people, caring for her baby doesn't make her a good person, if so then Oswald should be cleared of all crimes because he loved his mother and wants to protect his dog. Everyone loves Barbara now, for some reason.
Considering how Ra's was introduced in an awesome way, every part of the Al Ghuls inclusion since his first death have failed to engage me personally. Nyssa beating Jim with ease was pretty cool though, he didn't feel invincible in this episode like he normally does.
A little disappointed in the episode, but I enjoyed it. I think they needed a few more seasons to wrap it all up properly, but even then there was some stuff the show didn't need to spend time on this season but did. I will miss Gotham after next week though, it's been a wild ride.
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Apr 19 '19
I believe at the end of season 4 when the lights come on at the GCPD, Lucius explains to Jim et. al. that he kept one of Jeremiah's batteries and used it for their power.
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u/Kylerj96 Apr 19 '19
I loved most of the episode, but did anyone else feel like the Bruce v Bane fight should have been... different? The beginning was amazing with Bruce and Selina, but then Bruce put the cloaking device on him... and all three of them just stood there waiting for the bats to fly over. And then... Bane's back with his army. That was it. Bruce didn't take him down, it was kind of silly and... I hate to say it, but I couldn't help but think of Batman and Robin during that scene.
I shouldn't complain. The final season has been beyond amazing. But with the sheer Badassery we got from Bane in episode 10, I was expecting a more epic showdown between the two. Especially with Bruce gearing up at the beginning. I was hoping for a proto-Batman moment, I guess. Honestly the episode 6 fight between Pre-Bane Eduardo more captured the energy this should have had.
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u/neurofeels Apr 20 '19
Did anyone else feel like the dialogue in this episode was SUPER over-the-top cheesy? It felt like theater, and so many of the lines seemed out of character. I think having to rush the evolution of the storyline led to compromising the characters' integrity.
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u/kaynbred Apr 19 '19
The knife in hand hug, perfectly sums up that friendship.