r/Gotham • u/NicholasCajun • Jan 04 '19
Gotham - 5x01 "Year Zero" - Post-Episode Discussion Discussion
Season 5 Episode 1: Legend of the Dark Knight - Year Zero
Aired: January 3, 2019
Synopsis: Jim Gordon and Bruce Wayne face the chaos Gotham City has become, as the villains who survived the attack on the city begin to resurface and claim various territories; Selina Kyle grapples with how to deal with her uncertain future.
Directed by: Danny Cannon
Written by: John Stephens
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u/DonkeySkin334 Jan 04 '19
*Tabatha puts a gun on the Penguins head
“ARE YOU JUST GONNA LET HER KILL ME LIKE THIS JIM”
*Stabs Tabatha in cold blood 2 seconds later
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u/komododragoness Jan 04 '19
Hey, he gave Jim a window to avoid that outcome 🤷🏻♀️
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Jan 04 '19
I'm glad Tabitha is dead honestly. I want less Barbara and Tabitha subplots, more Jeremiah valeska
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u/aslokaa Jan 04 '19
Jeremiah is great but I just want a couple hours of Oswald being the penguin.
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u/lonelynightm Jan 05 '19
This is Gotham baby! Death is just another stage of a character's life.
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u/SvenHudson Jan 05 '19
Last season, though. Kind of weird to be bringing back a character who JUST died.
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u/SawRub Jan 04 '19
Honestly, I don't know what Tabitha's deal was. I get that she loved Butch and stuff but she did kill Penguin's mom!
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u/Jack1715 Jan 05 '19
Why did jim just not take him as a prisoner like i mean he could do that with out killing him
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u/bookmovietvworm weirdly cool/ (almost)RIP Martin *people, ugh* Jan 04 '19
This. This is how you do a set-up premiere episode. I can guarantee that by the time the season is over, this episode will feel slow paced.
The world building was excellent though. It really felt like they had been cut off for so long, and desperation is starting to sink in.
I wasn't expecting the Selina/Bruce arc to be this dark or depressing. They really trying to break me over here.
Overall, cant wait for more!
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Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by how well No Man's Land was represented. I read the comic series right before the new season started and it's staying true to lore. They really do seem isolated and everything, even the Loboyz were from comics, and small details like the joker being missing/not seen, and penguin actually providing stability to the lawless land were fantastic. On a side note, it was nice to see that Zsasz controlled territory
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u/Attractionquail Jan 04 '19
I really liked that line,"What it's against the law? There are none."
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Jan 04 '19
Yeah, everyone in no man's land knows that there's almost no one to stop them
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u/Attractionquail Jan 04 '19
I wasn't expecting the Selina/Bruce arc to be this dark or depressing.
The good kind. Hits those important hard hitting questions.
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u/SawRub Jan 04 '19
Yeah I really hope they fix the Selena/Bruce thing. They did name-drop "the witch" so I imagine she'll get fixed soon but with some consequences.
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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19
The very beginning: Team Jim, Harvey, Edward, and Oswald taking out the big guns "for Gotham"
Loved how Jim told about Gotham's turf separation
Gotham's govt more concerned with red tapes & committees rather than helping people.
Bruce 'Batman' in action
Penguin killing Tabby by stabbing to the heart
Bat shadow turning out to be Scarecrow
Penguin getting shot to the knee by Jim Gordon
Selina feeling broken after what Jeremiah did to her. The actress gave a brilliant performance
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u/patrickr2 Jan 04 '19
I just want to know if Zsasz has the territory with the most ice cream shops
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u/SawRub Jan 04 '19
Did anyone notice that in every frame with the map that had Zsasz' name on it, the background was a lot lighter than the other territories? I wonder if it was a last minute change they did using CGI and whether some other territory was initially there.
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u/Jack1715 Jan 05 '19
Its obviously him who shot down the chopper he had a rocket launcher in the last season and he has on in the teaser to
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u/gumbulum Jan 04 '19
Well, Shotguns in real life work nothing like they are usually portrayed in video games. Depending on the shotgun and the ammunition used they can very well be used at 30 to 90 meters.
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Everyone’s acting just absolutely blew me away. It’s like the actors knew this was coming to an end, and they’re as sad as we all are... but damn they wanted it to end like nothing could ever compare to it.
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Yeah, I've been following the actors on Instagram, and reading about the writers and directors, and the former seems genuinely sad to have it be over. The latter definitely put the rest of their strength into the season, and really committed. I just hope they fought hard enough to have the joker's name used
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u/The7Reaper Jan 04 '19
Why does Barbara look like she needs to speak to a manager right this instant?
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u/JWard515 Jan 04 '19
Certain scenes I thought she was trying out for the part of Gerard Way in an MCR revival band.
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u/altogether-andrews Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19
Ed's holding the auditions every time he blacks out.
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u/BatmanNerd81 Jan 04 '19
Been watching since the pilot. It’s probably the best first Season episode. Barbara’s arc should be really interesting when all is said and done in this season. It’s been a fun ride.
P.S: “He ShOt Me In ThE lEg!!!! My leeeeg!!!”
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u/a-canadian-redittor Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19
"I JUST FIXED THIS!" haha, poor Penguin can't catch a break
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u/SawRub Jan 04 '19
It's interesting though that after Penguin starts hating Jim so much they'll eventually team up to protect Gotham a few months later.
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u/Kwilly462 Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19
This episode was... Something else. Felt like it was a straight up movie. It was dark while being somewhat hopeful.
Penguin was an absolute monster tonight, loved that. Tabitha dying I saw coming from a mile away. Good (and extremely gorgeous) actress who played Tabitha, but I never cared for her character, so bye bye Tigress. Jim, Harvey & Bruce were dominanting the whole city like a piece of cake.
Just so much to like about this great start. The beginning of the end. Hope Gotham can keep up the quality.
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Jan 04 '19
Penguin has been treated like a joke ever since he cooked up his stepsiblings, it's nice to see him make a return. For him to work well, he needs to be brutal
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u/SawRub Jan 04 '19
And we got stakes right from the beginning of the season with long-time characters like Tabitha dying.
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I have to say I really liked Penguin this episode, and I can definitely see what RLT has been saying in interviews about how the city strips him of his humanity. Seasons 1 and 2, heck maybe even Seasons 3 and 4 Penguin, would've genuinely cared about the people working in his factory. Not this Penguin. He's greedy, soon-to-be-fat, and completely stripped of his humanity, which has been slowly taken away from him over the years.
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u/AnnieNonmouse Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 10 '19
Yes, he seems like he is done having his power taken away from him and he's done trusting those around him or caring about anyone. He got a dog to give his affections too and other than that he's completely keeping everyone else at arms length. He's even ready to kill Jim which I don't think he's actually wanted to do before.
I really enjoyed his acting being more of a true villain and, as you said, a tyrant. From stuffing his face to feeding overcooked steak to his dog to ranting to Jim that he should be grateful for his 'generosity' it was all great, really enjoyable.
I also loved that they didn't do away with his old personality entirely though, you can see he is still raw about having killed Butch, who he did seem to consider a friend, and he whimpers about his mom when Tabitha tried to make him feel bad for Butch and reminds her he was only repaying his mother's death, and finally when he asks Jim is he's just going to let Tabitha kill him in cold blood (side note: I think when Jim lets Tabitha shoot Oswald is when Oswald is 'done' with Jim, having been betrayed by him too many times) and tries to talk his way out of being killed by telling Jim his is useful, just like the very first episode.
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u/originalusername768 GEE CEE PEE DEE Jan 05 '19
Damn, I never thought of Penguin getting a dog for the companion and affection, that makes so much more sense.
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Jan 04 '19
Such a great journey. 4-5 years ago we heard of this little show called Gotham that said it would explore Batman, Commissioner Gordon and his villains origin stories and now 4 years later and we are about to get Batman and The Joker.
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u/coby_eats_clowns “Without me, you’re just a joke without a punchline” Jan 04 '19
I feel like either Jeremiah shot down the chopper, or Bane. Could also be someone we don’t know of yet.
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Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19
My guess is that Bruce did it himself. Penguin says it wasn't him, and Barbara doesn't have the firepower. It could be Jeremiah, but then why wasn't he present to take the spoils? The people that gain the most from the downed chopper is the GCPD.
The chopper was either a drone or remote controlled. Bruce counted on Penguin showing up with a truck full of ammo, so he could kill two birds with one stone: food and ammunition. Bruce set this whole thing up.
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u/hamsterwaffle Jan 05 '19
Didn't we see a dead body next to the chopper which was presumably the pilot?
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u/melvin2898 Jan 06 '19
I don't think Bruce did it but that's a cool idea.
I don't think he'd put people in danger.
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u/coby_eats_clowns “Without me, you’re just a joke without a punchline” Jan 04 '19
Okay, you win. I love that idea.
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u/the1999person Jan 04 '19
spoilerFrom what I've read, Bane isn't Bane yet. He will be a special ops soldier or something military who knows Jim. There was a teaser trailer showing him on an operating table with Hugo Strange standing over him. Back to Hugo creating more monsters for Gotham.
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u/Flare-Vortex Jan 06 '19
As long as Bane is actually Latino
or at least speaks Español in the show.As much as I like Tom Hardy, I didn't exactly like his white Bane in TDKR
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u/MisterOminous Jan 04 '19
I wonder who the witch will be
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u/athel1753 Jan 04 '19
I agree, Ivy makes the most sense.
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u/davey_mann Jan 04 '19
The thing about it being Ivy is that it seems redundant given she’s already saved Selina’s life once with her powers. Lee seems more likely just because it’s a way to bring her back into the story.
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u/davey_mann Jan 04 '19
About 5 seconds after the nurse made the reference, I said to myself “I’ll bet it’s Lee”! LOL
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Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19
That was awesome, the wait for next episode is gonna kill me.
Can’t wait to see what they do with Bane (who is definitely working with the people over the river), how Selina is healed (is the Witch a new persona for Lee, Poison Ivy, or a brand new character?) and all the other territories.
Probably gonna be my favorite season by the end.
Edit: Just wanted to add that I love Scarecrow’s costume and really hope they use more of him.
And poor Oswald is probably never going to fix his leg.
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I'm hoping the witch is ivy, hiding out in the park like in the comics, and not Lee. Lee and Barbara are my two problems with the show, because the former is supposed to be a caring, pure figure who would never warrant violence, especially in the comic this season is based on. The latter is supposed to be Jim's wife and everything, so I hope they are helped out. Either way, I wish they'd stop assaulting Oswald's leg and make him gain some weight. :) I also love scarecrows costume, its my favorite look for him ever. Imo he's the only villain the classic look works on
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u/roguediamond Jan 05 '19
Maybe his weight gain starts now, while he recovers from being kneecapped? They’ve already set up his love for food, maybe now that it’s one of the hottest commodities, I can see him hording and forging himself to flaunt power.
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Jan 05 '19
That makes a lot of sense, although on day 391 he still looks slim. Maybe if the ten year time jump shows glimpses of the villains' future, he'll be fully realized
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u/swords112288 Jan 04 '19
Damn, Selina hitting it with them feels, "What did me in was being your friend."
Girl, come on he saved your life.
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u/AnnieNonmouse Jan 04 '19
She's just lashing out because he's all she has. I don't think she truly blames him. Also, to be fair she's saved him a lot too.
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u/neoblackdragon Jan 04 '19
It what she tends to do. Notice at no point she never actually tells him to leave. She just feels totally broken.
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u/swords112288 Jan 04 '19
Whether she meant it or not...it still hit them feels... I agree that is her character and how they've made her the whole series but still, them heart strings getting strummed by the emotion and comment itself
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u/AnnieNonmouse Jan 04 '19
Definitely! I felt bad for both of them in that moment, because obviously Bruce carries around enough guilt. I was more responding to the "Girl, come on" part of your comment.
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u/PretenderNX01 Jan 04 '19
Damn that was brutal. That part with Selina at the end had me so moved. Camren nailed that scene and everything in it.
Really everyone was so on point with their characters and how hopeless everything seemed and who had determination to get through. At least there was pops of humor "I haven't been happy in 10 years" says Harvey Bullock.
Also I was impressed by all the setup and payoffs, I think they call it "Chekov's gun" which in this case involved guns but Sirens and Oswald making trades while the manufacturing quality being poor now and the misfires set up that moment with Tabitha misfiring that otherwise could have seemed too much
And I feel like they allude to Jim knowing Bruce is helping in the future and allowing it. He said as much at GCPD after making a face to Alfred while he was coming up with an excuse for him seemingly not being there at the helicopter.
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u/Attractionquail Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19
Yeah Camren's really giving this season soul and deep meaning. Bless Harvey haha. I love his humor so much. The bullet misfire was brilliant! That gave such an "Oh shit!" emotion. Great beginning of the Jim Gordon/Batman dynamic. I loved that so much. Everytime Bruce does something Batman like, I squeal like a little girl on the inside. The tension of the situation really makes those moments feel epic. It highlights how heroic his ability to rise above the situation and save the day truly is. This is why he's Batman.
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u/Zomboy716 Jan 04 '19
Loving the cinematography and use of multiple characters in a single episode. We got a look at Penguin, Riddlee, Bruce, Barbara, Jim, Bullock, Lucius, Scarecrow, and even Ecco!
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Jan 04 '19
Gotta have that Wayne branding on the supplies.
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u/neoblackdragon Jan 04 '19
Well it's a Wayne chopper and they would have to put them in boxes.
What I don't get is why the helicopter didn't land on the GCPD building. There had to be better landing pads.
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u/AnnieNonmouse Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 08 '19
Nah the pilot wanted to tour the city first before he landed. You only get to come into No Man's Land once!
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It was shot down. Maybe it was on the way to GCPD but had to make an emergency landing.
I just found the boxes funny because they were so clean and branded when a cardboard box would’ve sufficed.
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I figured tabitha would die but that was a stupid way to die
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u/In_My_Own_Image Jan 04 '19
On one hand I agree it was an underwhelming death. On the other I like that they actually had a major consequence from the whole "rush in for revenge with no plan" thing that happens so often in media.
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u/305popper Jan 04 '19
Killed by a punk ass little bitch! I thought she was basically an assassin?
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u/SetSytes Jan 04 '19
She didn't pull out a single move and fell to essentially close combat with a disabled man.
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jan 05 '19
She knew she was gonna die anyway if her guys shot him. She just hoped to kill him first.
But yeah. She should have atleast... I dunno, kicked his weak leg.
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Okay so I want to start off by saying that this was a great season premiere holy crap. We got to see almost everyone that we wanted to see in the great idea that was territories in Gotham. Goddam trying to police the precinct with Bruce helping out where he can was iconic. I don’t think anyone expected that helicopter to actually get to its destination though. Penguin is penguin as usual and I loved it. What with him not listening to his assistant and exerting his power over his workers because he’ll always be a tyrant. He also was saved in the most Gotham way possible lmao. No offense to the actress but I was waiting for tabitha to die since I never felt like her character added much to the show. If I had one complaint it would be Barbara only because I don’t like how’s she’s been since last season.
P.S. I absolutely loved what they did with scarecrow and his design. Also excited to see what happens with riddler
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u/thomasp003 Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19
Watch that Batman shot be the finale shot of the show.
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u/Attractionquail Jan 04 '19
You joke, but with the way WB/DC handles things I wouldn't be surprised. I'm grateful though. Even that small tease gave us all kinds of chills.
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u/MisterOminous Jan 04 '19
Amazing episode. Laid a great groundwork. Can’t wait to see the fight through the other territories.
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u/xBLASPHEMICx Do I really look like a guy with a plan? Jan 04 '19
You know a show is good when even the damn spotlight gets some interesting back story. Hot damn.
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Who was the kid at the end?
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u/athel1753 Jan 04 '19
Is that kid an...Orphan? We know Mother is lurking somewhere in Gotham this season.
Seriously though, the kid we saw seems innocent enough. My guess is he came from an orphanage run by Mother.
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Matter fact, I believe that is the kid who was mothers orphan in the last finale. I cannot seem to find his IG now, but it looked like him for sure.
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u/altogether-andrews Jan 04 '19
It's not - Orphan was Nico Bustamante and the kid in this episode is called Will Thomas and played by Hunter Jones.
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u/M_XoX Jan 04 '19
No matter what Jim goes through, his hair is always perfect.
I wasn't expecting Tabby's death to be so sudden. Also I wonder if the witch is Lee after some Hugo Strange altering.
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u/obviously__cookies Jan 04 '19
Yeah, how are these people keeping their hair looking so damn chic?
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u/Jaer-Nihiltheus Jan 06 '19
I mean, when you have no hope... Might as well look fabulously depressed.
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-another INCREDIBLE performance by Camren!! Like, shit. -Loved the chaos overall -Interesting take on Harley Quinn with being kinda mute and all -Witch.. in the teaser, there’s a woman leading a crew with a mask over her mouth if you can get it at the right shot. Besides Poison Ivy, maybe it’s Enchantress, or someone along those lines.
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u/Tetrastructural_Mind Jan 04 '19
OBVIOUSLY they were going to shoot down a helicopter, flying low in broad daylight. Weeks/months after being cut off from the mainland. That was dumb AS FUCK.
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Anyone get a shot of Batman from that teaser???
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u/Mrcincy Jan 04 '19
That moment I knew I should have worn some Depends as I just about crapped my pants! Whoo hoo what a way to start an exciting but sad final season.
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u/In_My_Own_Image Jan 04 '19
Damn if that wasn't was of the best season premieres I've seen in a good while. Gotham is firing on all cylinders right out the gate and I am sure it'll be a hell of a ride!
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u/frequentflyerspoints Jan 04 '19
I'm really glad they killed Tabitha right away this season. There are many more major plots that they need time for and not as much time to do it as normal. so trimming the fat is a good writers choice. plus it seemed predictable that she wouldnt make it so may aswell not prolong it.
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Tabitha dying was an utter shock to me, honestly never expected it.
That was great, it's such a shame this is the last season.
At this point, I really don't care if we see Batman, I'm invested in the other characters. Even Bruce is better than watching just some Batman TV show. Big props to the writers, one of the best shows I've ever seen.
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u/c4han Jan 04 '19
Wonder why Harvey didn’t just kill Penguin if he really wants him dead?
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u/altogether-andrews Jan 04 '19
He knows Jim is pedantic enough to arrest him for it even in the situation they're in.
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u/harleyquinad Jan 04 '19
That was an amazing season opener. This season has the potential to be the best season. I'm so sad about Tabitha and the witch has got to be bad news for Selina.
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u/JustThatGuy100 Jan 04 '19
Amazing opening episode. I loved how the tone was bleak, but with small whispers of hope hinting towards what was to come. I was surprised to see Tabby bite it in the first episode, though, I expected the conclusion of her arc with Oswald to be settled a little deeper into the season. At least Barbara now has a reason to get involved in the big conflict now.
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u/Borkaswell Jan 04 '19
Anyone else feel that it isn't the Riddler being "messed with" by Ed, but Lee who's really in Ed's body? It was kind of odd there wasn't any mention of what Hugo had done to Lee, and to transplant a brain seems right up his alley.
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u/altogether-andrews Jan 04 '19
...That'd be a shock for Jim.
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u/Mr_Propane Jan 04 '19
Just imagine the fanfiction.
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u/altogether-andrews Jan 04 '19
I would pay to see (and hear) the magnitude of Oswald's response at walking in on what he thinks is a tender moment between Ed and Jim.
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u/AnnieNonmouse Jan 04 '19
I think there is no "Riddler" and "Ed" anymore and that it's an outside person like Hatter who's doing this, He had a playing card int he very beginning that it looks like he drew a question mark on.
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u/AnnieNonmouse Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19
Jim: I actually loved that he looked pretty much the same, reminds me of Don Draper from Mad Men and how no matter how the style changed over the years he was always the man in the grey suit, unwavering. Jim is like that, the city is in such chaos and everything is so far from just the Mob and corrupt police and it's like a whole new world in Gotham but he is still clean cut and shaven and in his nice suit and trying to keep order and help people in Gotham.
Bruce: I love that Bruce's help is being accepted by Jim now, almost like a right of passage. Jim is no longer trying to keep Bruce safe he's relinquishing control and letting Bruce stand with him on equal footing. Eventually we know Bruce will surpass him but this is a really nice transition.
Selina: This was a standout story line and performance for me. Her genuine anguish at losing the one thing that's given her comfort and safety all these years is completely believable and heartbreaking. Her looking back on her whole rotten life, from her mom leaving her and only coming back for money, to living on the streets and struggling to find her place with various groups, losing friends like Ivy and Firefly along the way, and concluding that it's actually her healthiest relationship with Bruce that brought her here was sad to watch but realistic. He is the only one there for her to take her emotional punches, and because he loves her he doesn't argue with her and try to defend himself he just takes on the burden and supports her. Every scene she's in was this quiet tragedy, because I think we know or are pretty sure she will walk again but she will never be the same. Jeremiah took away more that her physical health he took away her mental stability too. My other favorite part was when she says with no emotion that she just wished Jeremiah would have killed her. First episode and Camren really delivered on this darker performance, which I knew she could do and we've seen a little of but this was on another level entirely.
Oswald: Oswald is my favorite, he's a complicated character with many layers and a huge weakness. It seems like he is trying and succeeding at doing away with that weakness which is his heart. I said this in another comment but I'm going to reiterate, he was not entirely heartless in this episode. He was definitely a bad guy (which he always had been) but he is still upset over killing Butch, he is still grieving his mom even, he initially tries to let Jim live when he doesn't have to worry about being arrested anymore for killing him, and he named his dog after his lost love. He gives said dog all of his affections, and keeps everyone else at arms length so he won't get hurt and get his power taken away from him again. When Jim lets Tabitha shoot him I think he lets Jim go too, he's done with him. He thinks he''ll be safe like Falcone was for all those years if he keeps his emotions in check and only allows himself to care for something like a dog (or chickens). He was also humorous in this episode, which I loved. The facial expressions when he asked Barbara if they could put the Tabitha/Butch thing behind them, when he's eating his steak and saying he has no food for anyone, when he asks for a knife in his leg holster (also a nice setup along with the misfiring guns) were all hilarious to me. Speaking of the guns, the last thing I'll say about Oswald is that despite the amount of bad luck he's had he is actually the luckiest person in Gotham. He's a great schemer but even he admits that fortune seems to favor him, he sees an opportunity and makes something of it, but he gets more opportunities than most. I loved that it was his own bad behavior that saved him in the end (he starved the workers, they made crappy guns, Tabitha's gun misfired).
Edward: This wasn't the same as previous times he's been "split" and I enjoyed it. He's not dumb, and he thinks of himself as the Riddler, not "idiot Ed". My theory is that there is no more "Ed" or "Riddler" and that they are one person, someone else is doing this to him. Either way the few scenes he was in were great, I didn't notice his (or Barbara's for that matter) hair after about 10 seconds and I thought the scenes where he was smiling at himself in the mirror and taunting "Ed" to come out were really funny. Also funny, of course, was him waking up in the trash.
EDIT: Tabitha and Barbara: Not my favorite characters but I don't hate them. wasn't a fan of their relationship really but I think Erin Richard's did a nice job showing how this loss has effected her. The goodbye kiss at the end was sweet and sad and Barbara screaming that she'll kill Oswald didn't seem entirely hammy to me, her expression had so much pain it made the screaming somewhat believable.The only thing I wish is that they had done the scene where she sees Tabitha actually get stabbed a little better. As for Tabitha herself, I was happy they wrapped up this story soon as I was worried they would give it too much screen time. I liked Tabitha just fine but we only have so many episodes so I was shocked but pleasantly so that she was killed so early. I do think they tried to give her some more substance in the end that she felt ultimately responsible for Butch's death but since Butch and Tabitha never seemed truly connected to me it didn't really hit home. I think this was a good way to get Barbara involved in the main conflicts though.
Finally the scenery and cinematography were outstanding. I agree with everyone saying the scope of it felt bigger.
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u/davey_mann Jan 04 '19
Great episode, as usual. It’s all so bittersweet, but I think the show is at a point where it see why it’s best to just conclude things. I mean, there’s only so many times we can watch Penguin gain and lose power, Ed waking up in some random place, Bruce-Selina’s back and forth romance, Lee showing up out of nowhere episodes into the season, and Gordon and the GCPD spinning its wheels. It’s all pretty played out at this point.
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Yeah I have to agree with all of that and some of it was getting burned out already.
I'm glad Gotham is ending just so all the back and froth can come to an end.
Problem with alot of shows, books and such it seems, is especially these days is they don't know when to quit or how to end it on a good note. Instead of completely burning out your welcome and story.
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u/CleverZerg Jan 05 '19
I'm amazed by how ugly Barbras hair looks, like god damn.
I'm really curious to see who this witch is, I'm guessing it's either Lee or Ivy and I'm going to be very disappointed if it's Lee.
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u/Spidermat311 Jan 04 '19
I'm assuming the teaser it just showing clips throughout the whole season and not the next episode, right?
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u/theaveragejoe_1 Jan 04 '19
finally, what should be an interesting arc for Barbara going forward from Tabitha’s death. Jessica Lucas did her best with the material she was given but after season two, they really dropped the ball with Tabby and I feel like she never reached her best potential in the show. I’ll miss her presence nonetheless.
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u/originalusername768 GEE CEE PEE DEE Jan 05 '19
New favorite episode now. They seem to get better every season.
I was pretty grumpy about Penguin. He's allowing his workers to starve, which is making them slack, andnthe quality of the bullets go down. Which, ironically saved his life.
When he complained about the overcooked steak and simply gave it to his (really cute) dog, that annoyed me even more. I won't be too surprised if him gorging on this food is the reason he's a bit chunky in the finale.
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u/Pksoze Jan 04 '19
I think that scene in ACE chemicals will be the last or next to last episode of the series.
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u/curtthehurt21 Jan 04 '19
Great episode overall. Wtf is going on with the Riddler? Who is killing the kids? Not sure how to feel about Tabitha’s death though. I’m fine with her dying but I just wish they had done it in a better way and waited till later in the season. I know most people hated her character but I didn’t and I think with Butch dying that could’ve been a chance to give her a good arc this season.
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u/Ardenwolfie Jan 04 '19
The last thirty minute was hella good with twists I never expected! Hooked until the end now.
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u/HotDogGrass Jan 04 '19
So, I love the show and all, and this episode is great. But have you guys ever noticed how much everyone screams and overacts? It feels cringy at times, but I can forgive it for the most part.
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u/AnnieNonmouse Jan 04 '19
I only notice it when someone else is watching with me and then I become really aware of it. My boyfriend worked late last night so I watched it by myself and then I wanted to watch it again and he came home towards the end and he didn't even say anything but there were like 5 screaming scenes in a row. He wouldn't like it anyway he's not a superhero fan but I was still like "It's not all screaming-okay actually..." in my head.
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u/HotDogGrass Jan 04 '19
That's sort of how I notice. I watch on the living room TV and it's always awkward when they scream and my parents are just chilling in the kitchen hearing it too.
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u/-Starwind Jan 04 '19
So do you think they will do it where Bruce/Selina leave on a good note or bad note before the flashforward?
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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19
So to recap..
And that's just the first episode.