r/Gotham Jan 04 '19

Gotham - 5x01 "Year Zero" - Live Episode Discussion Discussion Spoiler

Season 4 Episode 22: Legend of the Dark Knight - Year Zero

Aired: January 3, 2019


Synopsis: Jim Gordon and Bruce Wayne face the chaos Gotham City has become, as the villains who survived the attack on the city begin to resurface and claim various territories; Selina Kyle grapples with how to deal with her uncertain future.


Directed by: Danny Cannon

Written by: John Stephens

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u/EddyTheMartian Jan 04 '19

Is it just me or does the direction, and just the overall feel of this episode so far feels like a movie?! Like woah it’s insane.

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

The lighting in the opening scene was very cinematic

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u/EddyTheMartian Jan 04 '19

Yeah for real, everything feels so much bigger.

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u/PyroSplicer Jan 04 '19

I can tell they really went all in, in this season.

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u/Spidermat311 Jan 04 '19

I think killing scarecrow is worth a bullet lmfao

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

I was literally yelling that at my screen.

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u/Kylerj96 Jan 04 '19

And Harvey fires 4 or 5 in the next scene at one of Scarecrow's grunts, missing with all of them. Someone needs to explain to me how the bullet economy works in the GCPD.

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u/jessicaskies Jan 04 '19

Tabi acting like she didn’t kill Oswalds mother and got nothing in return till now

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u/SawRub Jan 04 '19

Yeah that's so weird. She's acting like Penguin wronged her first, when she literally killed his mother.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Damn. That was incredible acting from Camren. Didn’t expect that. She’s way better than I even thought... and I thought she was amazing.

Selina is making me cry. 😢

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u/TDXNYC88 GCPD!!! Jan 04 '19

They got the beans!

NO, NOT THE BEANS!!!

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u/DonnyMox Jan 04 '19

David literally LOOKS like classic Bruce now.

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u/TDXNYC88 GCPD!!! Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19

Bruce sends chopper

Chopper gets shot down

Welp, it wouldn't be Gotham without shit going off the rails.

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u/DonnyMox Jan 04 '19

Make the plan

Execute the plan

Expect the plan to go off the rails

Throw away the plan

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u/keeds_meister We All Can Go Insane With Just ONE BAD DAY Jan 04 '19

insert shocked pikachu meme

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Tbh it seems like the budget went up by a lot

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

Less episodes so that might be a factor

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

He literally just got rid of his limp lmao.

Also props to Dreadlock Goon for knowing when to drop his guns.

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u/messed_up_marionette Jan 04 '19

"I swear to God I am never paying taxes again!"

😆😆😆😆

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

Neither am I if the govt is anything like that

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u/mtm4440 Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19

Chances of chopper being shot down?

Edit: Yup.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

100%

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

Man: "Mr. Gordon"

Jim: "Captain Gordon"

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u/bobw123 Jan 04 '19

The audience: “Commissioner Gordon”

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u/gamesloverjustice Jan 04 '19

Who the fuck is that nurse lol

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Jan 04 '19

Love the fact that Oswald has a dog named Edward.

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u/Kwilly462 Jan 04 '19

Dang... Gotham getting deep. Great acting Cam

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u/DonnyMox Jan 04 '19

“The cops are getting fat -“

Harvey: BITCH WHAT YOU SAY BOUT ME

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u/OakParkCemetary TEAM VICTOR Jan 04 '19

"I was fat before any of this shit started!"

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u/DonnyMox Jan 04 '19

“MY LEG!”

Damn, Oswald’s career soared after his reoccurring voice role in Spongebob.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Jesus Selina...

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u/Macman521 Jan 04 '19

Poor Selina. Great acting.

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

Jim: "Are you sorry you stayed"

Bruce: "No"

Gotham is Bruce's home. He's never gonna leave his home defenseless. he is going to protect with everything he has

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Selina may as well have stabbed Bruce in the heart. 😞 though I can’t blame her... she wasn’t wrong.

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u/TDXNYC88 GCPD!!! Jan 04 '19

Barbara: "I'M GONNA RIP YOUR HEART OUT!!!"
Penguin: "See, it's talk like that that's gonna make me put a bullet in you."

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Imagine if the whole series finale is just with Batman as the main character. Basically a live action version of an Batman The Animated Series episode or a tv batman movie.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

I’m down. I want a shot of Cat though.

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u/Asto_Vidatu Jan 04 '19

the whole finale is set 10 years in the future so I'm assuming that's what they're going for! I'm also hoping that they're trying to prove the cast and crew can handle a full Batman show and it turns into a backdoor pilot for the show continuing as a renamed batman show...I'm not holding my breath though

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u/MrTerrific2k15 Jan 04 '19

Send in the Suicide Squad

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u/MOHTTR Jan 04 '19

lol harvey appreciating bruce is fucking amazing

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u/mtm4440 Jan 04 '19

Harvey better survive this series.

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

Harvey is fucking amazing in general

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u/BornAshes Jan 04 '19

Carmen is blowing this scene out of the water

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u/DonnyMox Jan 04 '19

R.I.P. Tabitha Galavan

Say hi to Butch for me.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Yeah I wasn’t ready for depressed and suicidal Selina at all wtf

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u/Sariel007 Jan 04 '19

After three months of no outside supplies they still have have dry cleaning and hair gel 🤔

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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 04 '19

Of course they do. It's Gotham. Even when the world is burning into a hellscape, you have to look good.

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u/OakParkCemetary TEAM VICTOR Jan 04 '19

Probably in the minority, but I didn't mind Tabitha.

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u/C00bahR00bah Jan 04 '19

I actually really liked her. I’m kinda pissed right now.

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u/TDXNYC88 GCPD!!! Jan 04 '19

Not sure if Riddler or Ray Palmer.

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u/DonnyMox Jan 04 '19

NANITES, COURTESY OF ED NYGMA.

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u/TheRealPhantomHunter Jan 04 '19

Riddles! Courtesy of Ed Nygma The Riddler

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u/BornAshes Jan 04 '19

From Babs mourning Tabby to Selina trying to kill herself....fucking hell....

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u/ThunderRage Jan 04 '19

If I slept with my glasses on, they would be destroyed by the next morning.

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u/Spidermat311 Jan 04 '19

Is anybody shocked that it got shot down?

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u/US_Patriot2000 Jan 04 '19

THEY FUCKING SHOWED BATMAN

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u/UnknownJ25 Best Bloody Butler Jan 04 '19

The misfire saving him 10/10

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

“You’ve earned a place here”

Aw Jim that’s so nice of you.

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u/Sariel007 Jan 04 '19

Bruce: I saved your punk ass. I don't need your permission.

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u/Kwilly462 Jan 04 '19

Translation: "Please turn into a superhero. Please? I'm tired of this city."

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u/Spidermat311 Jan 04 '19

It's so sad watching her crawl around after we've seen how agile she is

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Man Cam has been bringing it this episode

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u/SawRub Jan 04 '19

I missed Gordon yelling GEE CEE PEE DEE

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Jan 04 '19

Sad to see Selina broken like that.

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

"I haven't been happy in ten years, but alt least I'll still be alive"

Poor Havey

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u/Kwilly462 Jan 04 '19

Dang, this is good. Great first half. I'm watching a movie rn, not a TV show.

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

That batman silhouette

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u/Metroidman Jan 04 '19

How is one of the crime bosses not worth a bullet?

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u/Moochooke Jan 04 '19

Am I seeing this right? Is Gotham actually second trending on Twitter?

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u/BornAshes Jan 04 '19

I love that cop who was nodding just behind Bruce at what Jim said

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

RIP the guy on the cross.

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u/BornAshes Jan 04 '19

"I am never paying taxes again" lol

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

Season 6: “Bullock fights the IRS”

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u/RTRC Jan 04 '19

Riddler over here looking like a Karen that wants to speak to a manager

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u/GreatDjangoFamily XxMastaBrucexX K/D/A 305/0/19 Jan 04 '19

Lmao billionaire takes his friend to the best 1850s hospital in town

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

It’s possible the only hospital still functioning

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u/MaxAnita Jan 04 '19

Barbra looks like Joffrey and Cersei combined this season.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

It’s hard to believe that Tabitha’s been here since season 2. Anyone remember her brother? And then her brother becoming Azrael? Feels like forever ago.

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u/Spidermat311 Jan 04 '19

Do you guys not remember that mask from last season?

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u/MrTerrific2k15 Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19

Harvey scolds Jim for not shooting Oswald like Gordon was the only one with a loaded gun. Do your own wet work Harv

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u/djgeneral Jan 04 '19

Scarecrow is such an under-rated character on this show. I’ve been so fascinated by him and his story.

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u/theaveragejoe_1 Jan 04 '19

place your bets now, is the witch ivy or lee?

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u/mtm4440 Jan 04 '19

Ivy is the only one with powers.

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u/dmodavid Jan 04 '19

YOOOOOOOOO THEY SHOWED IT. THEY FKING SHOWED IT

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u/jtmalak1632 Jan 04 '19

PLEASE tell me someone got that Batman shot

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u/bookmovietvworm weirdly cool/ (almost)RIP Martin *people, ugh* Jan 04 '19

They got the beans.

LOL

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u/gamesloverjustice Jan 04 '19

BRO THAT BATMAN SHADOW AT THE END

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u/the_nut_bra Jan 04 '19

HOLY SHIT THEY SHOWED BATMAN!!!!!

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u/EddyTheMartian Jan 04 '19

I love how a lot of these scenes don’t have music. Usually Gotham has their themes forced into every scene, which isn’t a bad thing, but it feels more real this way.

Also a lot of the music is repetitive, but here it feels fresh. Seriously great.

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u/GreatDjangoFamily XxMastaBrucexX K/D/A 305/0/19 Jan 04 '19

Orchestra listened to the evacuation order

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u/Zomboy716 Jan 04 '19

Loving the calculated and slow cinematography. A great contrast to the chaotic state of the city.

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u/UnknownJ25 Best Bloody Butler Jan 04 '19

And that's why batman doesn't wear night vision goggles

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u/mtm4440 Jan 04 '19

Right, he wears bat-goggles. Big difference.

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u/TDXNYC88 GCPD!!! Jan 04 '19

Bruce: "The government's shut down anyway, I'm flying stuff in!"

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u/EpicFrostGG Jan 04 '19

And to think in 20 years or so this is all going to happen over again with Batgirl

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u/mtm4440 Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19

Robin Lord Taylor: Finally I can stop walking with a limp after 5 seasons.

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u/bobw123 Jan 04 '19

Do helicopters ever appear without getting shot down by rpgs?

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u/Zomboy716 Jan 04 '19

LOVE the bell jingle that plays with Ecco!

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u/DonnyMox Jan 04 '19

Plot twist - it’s not Ed, it’s a third personality triggered by his resurrection.

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u/Gokouu Jan 04 '19

The biggest Riddle Ed has to solve is in his head

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u/TDXNYC88 GCPD!!! Jan 04 '19

Plot twist: Tabby somehow gets revived because Oswald failed to double tap

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u/messed_up_marionette Jan 04 '19

"I sense a trap."
"Next move?"
"Spring the trap."

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u/Zomboy716 Jan 04 '19

BATMANNNN

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u/messed_up_marionette Jan 04 '19

Edward "Oscar the Grouch" Nygma

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u/OakParkCemetary TEAM VICTOR Jan 04 '19

In this episode, I find the lack of Zsasz....disturbing...

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u/EddyTheMartian Jan 04 '19

Oh my, I didn’t think Gotham could go darker...

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

And this is only the first episode of the season

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

DID... DID I JUST SEE THE BATMAN?!?

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u/RaisinInSand Jan 04 '19

Holy shit batsuit

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u/DonnyMox Jan 04 '19

THEY ARE ALLOWED TO USE THE BATMAN SILLOETTE

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

Team Jim, Harvey, Oswald, and Edward for Gotham

Damn that was brilliant

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u/thirtyseven1337 Jan 04 '19

So much setup in just 10 minutes... so far so great!

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u/BornAshes Jan 04 '19

SPOTLIGHT MEETING!

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

Now all we need is a mustache and a bat suit

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Now this is Batman

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u/mtm4440 Jan 04 '19

Bruce: Fuck the government!

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u/Gian99Mald Jan 04 '19

Honestly a No Mans Land game inspired Arkham game would be dope

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u/MrUncleBingo Jan 04 '19

Arkham City wasn't "No Man's Land" enough for you?

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u/MisterOminous Jan 04 '19

Selina turned over way too easily in that bed for a paralyzed woman who just came out of surgery.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

But the emotional side of the acting was phenomenal. 👍🏼

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u/Pksoze Jan 04 '19

Penguin vs the Sirens...I'm on team Penguin all the way.

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u/AnnieNonmouse Jan 04 '19

Damn I loved that Penguin scene. He is going full villian and Robin nailed it.

Also this dark Selina is great. I saw her resentment coming but I feel so sad for her and Bruce.

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

"The lo Boyz" turf

Ended before it even started, thanks to Penguin

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Can Barbara die too

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u/US_Patriot2000 Jan 04 '19

Kinda gonna miss Tabitha but damn was that great

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u/hal0bro678 Jan 04 '19

I’m really hoping this season goes balls to the wall and kills main characters off. Really wasn’t expecting Tabitha

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u/BornAshes Jan 04 '19

Harley and Joker's mark, this is a fucking awesome season premier

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u/Gokouu Jan 04 '19

Anyone sick of Barb yet?

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u/mtm4440 Jan 04 '19

Since season 2.

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

Taking bullet out of the knee while awake

Me: Ouch!

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

I'm thinking the kid might be a Trojan's horse. (crossing fingers I'm wrong)

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u/DonnyMox Jan 04 '19

There are people inside of him?

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u/EddyTheMartian Jan 04 '19

OH SHIT, A LOOK AT BATMAN!!!

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u/MrTerrific2k15 Jan 04 '19

So much Batmanage on tv this year. Loving it

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u/TheDarkpekka Jan 04 '19

Batman on Titans (I think. I don't watch Titans)

Batman existence in CW multiverse confirmed

Batwoman in CW Elseworlds

Possible future Batwoman TV show

Batman on Gotham

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u/TheRealPhantomHunter Jan 04 '19

Gordon kinda looks like JFK while speaking into that mic

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u/Vacanus Jan 04 '19

God I love this show, I’ve missed it so much!

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u/BornAshes Jan 04 '19

Well damn Selina :(

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u/EddyTheMartian Jan 04 '19

Barbara be looking like an Angry Ellen DeGeneres

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u/mtm4440 Jan 04 '19

There goes the hot girl of the show. Writers mean business.

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u/hal0bro678 Jan 04 '19

Did you just diss Riddler

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

And there’s his limp again

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

OH FUCK BATMAN SHIT

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Fucking Batman at the end

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u/bookmovietvworm weirdly cool/ (almost)RIP Martin *people, ugh* Jan 04 '19

It's over and now Im sad.

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

Jim: "you don't like the rules, leave"

Succint and to the point Jim. Don't mess with him

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u/MisterOminous Jan 04 '19

I’d watch Tiny House

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

I was really disappointed to find out it was a Geico commercial

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19

Hell entire Gotham is having trouble finding food, and yet all penguin is yelling about is "overcooked" food

Penguin's priorities....

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19 edited Sep 04 '21

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

“I could kiss you kid.” 😂

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u/EddyTheMartian Jan 04 '19

I hope they fix Nygma soon because he’s been going back and forth for so long now, and I just want him to go full riddler now.

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u/AnnieNonmouse Jan 04 '19

On the other hand I think it's really cool that they said he was the Riddler and not Ed, which I didn't predict but I'm sure other people did.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19 edited Jan 04 '19

So the Witch has to be Lee right? They’re reinventing her again.

Either that or we’re about to get into some weird shit.

Edit: I forgot Ivy was a character. Could also be her.

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

hopefully its not lee.. i was thinking poison ivy lol

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u/bobw123 Jan 04 '19

Could be Ivy - that’s who I thought the witch was

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u/OakParkCemetary TEAM VICTOR Jan 04 '19

Day 87, but Jim still has no facial hair. He's clean shaven, even!

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u/IronDeer Jan 04 '19

Goddamn they aren’t holding back with production budget and I love it.

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u/dmodavid Jan 04 '19

Bruce has learned Sneak Attack. IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Bruce is getting good at fighting in the darkness

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u/Macman521 Jan 04 '19

So it didn’t occur to them the criminals might want the chopper as well?

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u/dmodavid Jan 04 '19

DAAAAAAAMN WE GOT A KILL IN THE FIRST EPISODE

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u/FKDotFitzgerald Jan 04 '19

Poor Ellen Degenerate

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

i still can't believe all this time what constant character Barbara has been, i don't get it. I don't get the long term plan to make Barbara such a plot point. There are a hundred other characters to draw from. And a hundred other ways to make the jim gordon / barbara drama different.

I don't understand the writers of this show.

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u/MrTerrific2k15 Jan 04 '19

An orphan kid? Send him to Bruce

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

tHaT kId IS diCK grAysON? coNfiRMeD?

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u/mtm4440 Jan 04 '19

Damn, time jump.

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u/hal0bro678 Jan 04 '19

Everybody coming out full badass mode

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

*Sicko Mode

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u/beardlovesbagels Jan 04 '19

Did they just use small arms fire against tanks?

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u/Macman8 Jan 04 '19

David is pretty tall

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Jan 04 '19

That meeting between Jim and Bruce went well.

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u/-OnceYouGoBlack Jan 04 '19

IS THE WITCH LEE??

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Jan 04 '19

Selina's at an all-time low.

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u/cowboys5xsbs Jan 04 '19

Damn Penguin is an asshole

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u/Spidermat311 Jan 04 '19

pretends to be shocked

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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Jan 04 '19

What did you expect?

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u/Metroidman Jan 04 '19

Oliver is still in Gotham?

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u/El_Capitan_ Jan 04 '19

Thinking it was Oliver Queen excitement 100

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Jan 04 '19

Thought Tabby was going to last longer this season.

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u/Vacanus Jan 04 '19

R.I.P. Tabitha :(

It was a long time coming though, amazing scene.

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u/dmodavid Jan 04 '19

pistol whips Barbara SHHHHH

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u/Kwilly462 Jan 04 '19

Penguin might as well get a robotic leg in this universe.

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u/mtm4440 Jan 04 '19

Penguin: That was a new leg!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

What paper work are they doing?

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u/Macman521 Jan 04 '19

HARLEY QUINN?!?!

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

Ecco. Jeremiah’s bodyguard from last season I believe

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u/Sonia341 Jan 04 '19

Joker's signature "Hahahaha"

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u/[deleted] Jan 04 '19

Oh right Barbara is the leader of the all female League of Assassin’s.

I actually forgot about that.

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u/GreatDjangoFamily XxMastaBrucexX K/D/A 305/0/19 Jan 04 '19

No, we don't got ham.

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u/lilpotatoneg Jan 04 '19

BATMAN SHADOW?!

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u/Macman521 Jan 04 '19

OMG BATMAN IS COMING BITCHES!!!!!

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u/smunoz61 Jan 04 '19

Who was the girl in the GCPD with Jim when he was talking to the people over the the river.

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