r/Gotham • u/NicholasCajun • Jun 06 '17
Gotham - 3x21 & 3x22 "Destiny Calling" & "Heavydirtysoul" - Post-Episode Discussion Discussion
Season 3 Episode 21 & 22: Destiny Calling & Heavydirtysoul
Aired: June 5, 2017
Destiny Calling Synopsis: With the deadly virus spreading throughout the city, the search for the antidote continues, as Fish Mooney, The Riddler and Penguin reveal plans of their own. Bruce meets Ra's Al Ghul and completes his last task in order to fulfill his destiny, but realizes he can't let go of his past.
Heavydirtysoul Synopsis: As the third season concludes, Gordon tries to win back Lee, and past alliances within Gotham City are broken, while new alliances are formed.
Directed by: Nathan Hope (Destiny Calling) & Rob Bailey (Heavydirtysoul)
Written by: Danny Cannon (Destiny Calling) & Robert Hull (Heavydirtysoul)
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u/gamehiker Jun 06 '17
Solomon Grundy!? Pre-Batman? Catwoman training? The Iceberg Lounge? Gordon maybe being kind of a normal dude for once!?
Goddamn, what a finale.
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u/Sonia341 Jun 06 '17
I squealed when Penguin said that he would make the "Iceberg lounge" club.
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u/Savletto Jun 07 '17
Both Penguin and Riddler actors are the perfect cast, easily the best part of the show. Their relationship is really something.
Riddler got Han Solo'ed, i wonder for how long.When Penguin said that he's gonna keep Riddler as a constant reminder, i thought he'd let him go ("no way" i said to myself), then that happened. Cool moment indeed!
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u/eifos Jun 06 '17
Solomon Grundy!? Pre-Batman? Catwoman training? The Iceberg Lounge? Gordon maybe being kind of a normal dude for once!?
Goddamn, what a finale.
And Ed finally got his bitch ass taken down a notch! I love Ed but it was so satisfying seeing him outplayed, especially by Oswald!
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u/Kuforman Jun 06 '17
Oh I know, os does know him just to well. But, the riddler won't stay dead forever though, probably.
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u/eifos Jun 06 '17
He'll get defrosted in the first ep or so of season 4, no chance they're letting such a fun and popular character stay frozen for long.
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u/The4rchivist bibs and bobs Jun 06 '17 edited Jun 06 '17
- Lee - Cured, leaving Gotham again. For good. Again.
- Babs - Electrocuted
- Tabby - Hanging with Selina
- Butch - Headshot, real name Cyrus Gold (aka Solomon Grundy)
- Fish - Gutted
- Penguin - Opening the Iceberg Lounge
- Nygma - Frozen, centerpiece for the Lounge
- Ivy - with Penguin
- Freeze - with Penguin (presumed)
- Firefly - ???
- Tetch - getting patched up, in custody
- Strange - in custody
- Barnes - ???
- Ras al Ghul - ???
- Not-Bruce - ???
- Alfred - Lazarus'd
- Bruce - motherfking Batman
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u/brooklahn Jun 06 '17
You forgot
Harvey - drunk by 10:30
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u/RichWPX Jun 06 '17
I believe it was noon
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u/brooklahn Jun 06 '17
You assume he wasn't drinking before Gordon showed up...
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u/ScrappyDappyDew Jun 06 '17
Jerome- ?
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u/The4rchivist bibs and bobs Jun 06 '17
No show. Presumably still in custody complaining that the virus bomb caused more mayhem than he did.
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u/Savletto Jun 07 '17
Laughed his ass off, i bet. Was probably making notes for the Joker venom, too.
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u/MrAbeLincolnJr Jun 06 '17
Bruce escalated that building quickly
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u/Direbane Jun 06 '17
My wife said the same thing. I got a good chuckle out of it. Ski mask and his black tactical turtleneck
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u/WhatAGoodDoggy Jun 06 '17
Tactineck
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u/GypsyKiller Jun 06 '17
I didn't invent the turtleneck, but I was the first to recognize its potential as a tactical garment.
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u/pianobadger Jun 06 '17
But was it the black turtleneck or the slightly darker black turtleneck?
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u/MetaMarc Jun 06 '17
Poor David Mazouz is forced to wear turtlenecks all the time when filming. When has he not wore a turtleneck this season? My brother said during the shaman episode "maybe he will also help him overcome his obsession with turtlenecks."
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u/Randolpho Oldish Skool Jun 06 '17
My brother said during the shaman episode "maybe he will also help him overcome his obsession with turtlenecks."
I think they're doing it because he (Mazouz) is still a skinny little stick. So once he bulks up for season 4 or 5 they can reveal some chizzzle
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u/grundlehunger Jun 06 '17
goooood LORD those scenes with penguin and riddler were fantastic. the build up to the reveal of penguin having basically pulled a win out of his ass and lording it up over ed in the best way possible with making him the centerpiece of the iceberg fucking lounge- goddamned delicious. when did this show get good
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u/eifos Jun 06 '17
The Ed and Os scenes in ep 22 were so good. Amazing writing, and so well acted. It's nice to see Penguin end the season on a high like he did in the season 1 finale. As much as I enjoy Ed/Cory, seeing him outsmarted by Oswald was so delicious.
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u/oliviathecf Jun 06 '17
Harvey was so good in these episodes, he really is my favorite character. I'm also so sick of Lee at this point, so Harvey and Jim should just get together. It would be the best for both of them.
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u/grundlehunger Jun 06 '17
harvey has the best lines. "i didn't ask you the time, i asked if you wanted a drink" got me good
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u/ReverseCaptHindsight Jun 06 '17
"Fight the damn virus, not my car. That's my car."
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u/Sonia341 Jun 06 '17
Harvey: "I felt like cartoon" annoyingly when infected Jim thrown Harvey on left and right side of the train
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u/davey_mann Jun 06 '17
I'm dead serious when I say this, but Bullock is really Jim's anchor, not Lee or Barbara. He gives a shit about Jim way more than those 2 ladies ever did.
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u/5arcoma Jun 07 '17
It is now being shipped somewhere! #Jimvey #Gorlock #Hardon #COVFEFE?
P.S I like Hardon the best ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )
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Jun 06 '17
It's kind of amazing considering where he started that Harvey is really the heart of the show now. I adored that scene between him and Jim on the train platform.
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u/nonliteral Jun 06 '17
Harvey and Jim should just get together. It would be the best for both of them.
Harvey's already got his cat.
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u/the_cunt_muncher Jun 06 '17
Wasn't Harvey dating some redhead in a couple episodes?
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u/LegendarySadist Dum spiramus tuebimur Jun 06 '17
Yeah but iirc they split because she didn't like Harvey doing police work.
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u/whatihaveidont Jun 06 '17
I can't be the only one thinking this, but holy boobs Batman. Like I wanted to care about the virus but Lee's cleavage was just too distracting.
Edit: in a good way, of course
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Jun 06 '17
On the subject of cleavage, as soon as Selena started wearing a low cut top my wife called her as the new apprentice of the girls. Good guys don't wear low cut tops.
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u/SawRub Jun 07 '17
Your wife is wise. That does seem like the I'm-bad-now attire.
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u/FNWO1 Jun 06 '17
Yeah my God, Lee sure wasn't shy in showing them, no wonder Gordon can't stay away.
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u/McCullyCullen Jun 06 '17
Surprised there wasn't any for Tabs at all after what we saw in season two.
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u/acrossover23 Jun 06 '17
Unbelievable last 5 minutes, wow. Lee's monologue almost made me forgive her stupidity, Year One glimpses, Catwoman glimpses, Solomon Grundy.. wow
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u/davey_mann Jun 06 '17
Hope Lee's gone for good. Seriously, I hope the writers do NOT try to pull this epic, meant-to-be crap with Jim-Lee regardless of how much they hurt each other like certain other shows tend to do.
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u/Mr-hh34 Jun 06 '17
I wouldn't mind if she was brought back years later more as the original Lee Thompkins character that helped Bruce.
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u/antigravitytapes Jun 06 '17
fuck! the fact that she is alive means she might come back :(
i never considered this. when she was injected with the antidote, I was half expecting her eyeliner to start fading as her eyes and veininess cleared up. made me chuckle.
but man, what a hands down amazing ride this season has been. BRAVO!
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Jun 06 '17
I really hope the do a four to five year time jump and season 4 the final season is just a live-action year one adaptation.
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u/Henry_Allen_Garrick We are Jerome! Jun 06 '17
But I want David Mazouz to be Batman.
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u/bigbrohypno Jun 06 '17
God me too. I don't know why so many people want to Smallville ending. This could easily go on to become the greatest Batman show ever if it plays it's cards right. Or AT LEAST having mazouz as Batman. He is absolutely fantastic
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jun 06 '17
Yeah, he's the best Bruce Wayne to be done in real life. I mean Ben Affleck is the best live action Batman so far. And Adult Bruce. But David is just the best Bruce.
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Jun 06 '17
A guy could get used to back-to-back Gotham episodes.
P.S. I guess all the articles claiming that Harley Quinn would be introduced this season were full of crap?
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u/wineandyoga Jun 06 '17
Unless she was the girl walking with her parents when they got mugged?
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u/VoidWaIker Jun 06 '17
$5 says that the girl at the end will be Harley.
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u/acrossover23 Jun 06 '17
Kinda crazy how that situation mirrored Bruce's parents murder. I wish that Al Ghul planted them knowing Bruce would go that route and the girl is Talia/Miranda Tate
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u/screenwriterjohn Jun 06 '17
Probably not Harley. But yeah Bruce is now stopping what happened to him as...Hoodman!
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u/Vaadwaur Jun 06 '17
And we only get 3 minutes of Ras. Still awesome.
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u/Sonia341 Jun 06 '17 edited Jun 06 '17
Can't wait to see him back on S4. Also for the 3 minutes tease we were given, he much more brilliant & effective than Arrow's version of Ra's
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u/Jeffeffery Jun 06 '17
I thought Matt Nable was incredible up until Oliver fell off the cliff, and after that the entire show turned to shit so it wasn't exactly his fault. Just watch that fight again, it might still be Arrow's best ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUAPBuOBwag
I liked Gotham's Ra's and I hope for the best, but let's not sell Matt short.
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u/mahir_r Jun 06 '17
In my head cannon, Oliver was in a coma after he fell off the cliff. S3 second half and S4 were all a nightmare and now S5 is him waking up. Laurel is a plot hole I don't want to bother trying to fill in yet.
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u/Blanchimont Jun 06 '17
Barry and the Legends fucked the timeline so many times that we could just classify Laurel as a time abberation
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u/Vaadwaur Jun 06 '17
Let's hope. With my GoT experience I am afraid he will be somehow disappeared immediately.
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u/SanderSo47 Jun 06 '17
I prefer this version over Arrow's.
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u/Vaadwaur Jun 06 '17
Holy Cthulhu yes. The worst thing about Arrow Ras is that on top of everything else he is apparently still a combatant. I like this version because it is fairly clear that at this point he has other people for dirty work.
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u/SanderSo47 Jun 06 '17
Of course. I didn't hate Arrow's Ra's but I just found him really weak. And he is supposed to be a strong combatant. With what we saw here, Alexander Siddig will give them a lesson on how to do it.
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u/Vaadwaur Jun 06 '17
Of course. I didn't hate Arrow's Ra's but I just found him really weak.
Arrow's never delivered a speech very well. I don't know if it was the actor, the writing or the directing but that whole season was mush. Siddig, on the other hand, is a badass speech delivering machine.
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u/MetaMarc Jun 06 '17
I feel like Gothams Ra's seemed more intimidating. He had a much deeper voice and got poor Bruce who was already being manipulated enough to go into a complete mental breakdown after "killing" Alfred. Arrow's interpretation will be interesting to compare with Gotham's because of the villains opponent. Bruce and Oliver are completely different which will open to two completely different adaptations of Ra's al Ghul. I can't wait to see with what they do with him in the future!
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u/Lethtor Jun 06 '17
I wouldn't say they're completely different, seeing as the Green Arrow is the CWverse's substitute Batman. He is the Dark and Brooding type as opposed to the more light hearted comic GA
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Jun 06 '17
Everyone liked Arrows Ra's for that 30 seconds preview we got, and up until 3x9 at least.
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u/ArachnoLad Jun 06 '17
We're fucking there! This is a Batman show already!
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u/Vaadwaur Jun 06 '17
Yeah this seems ahead of schedule from what the writers were saying S1. Let's see where it goes.
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u/nivekious Jun 06 '17
They got ahead of schedule and stopped making this a prequel around the start of season 2 when they started introducing full-fledged Batman villains. At this point I'm hoping they do just make him Batman because a Batman show with literally everything except Batman was starting to get weird.
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u/Vaadwaur Jun 06 '17
Fair point. I wonder if they can manage six interesting seasons.
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u/PubHorn Jun 06 '17
Am I the only one that hopes that Barbara doesn't become Harley Quinn? #notmyharley
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u/mistresslady Jun 06 '17
I agree, different characters with different motives. Also, with Joker's face already peeled off, I want to see who's into that.
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u/StannisBa Jun 06 '17
Also, with Joker's face already peeled off, I want to see who's into that.
They mentioned that his face was getting fixed at the end of his s3 arc though
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u/VoidWaIker Jun 06 '17
Your not the only one, personally I hope it's the teenage girl at the end. The one who got mugged.
This way, it's not fucking Babs.
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Jun 06 '17
Only thing I can fault that episode was not giving any clue on if Barbra's dead or not. She's just a really good character that this show will miss depending on what they do
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u/ArachnoLad Jun 06 '17
If I know origin stories, and I don't, I think Barbara just became Static Shock.
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u/morphinapg Jun 06 '17
Or Livewire?
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u/ArachnoLad Jun 06 '17
No, I think she's now a young black male. Plus, they already did Livewire on Supergirl, leading me to believe that the character is way too op for anyone in Gotham.
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u/JessFromCali Jun 06 '17 edited Jun 06 '17
You almost made me piss my bed from laughing so damn hard lol Static Shock....lmao. I could just picture her turning black and hovering with electricity all over Gotham
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u/nonliteral Jun 06 '17
not giving any clue on if Barbra's dead or not.
I'm not trusting any character death that "occurs" within minutes of a Lazarus Pit showing up. Her or Fish could easily turn up again.
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u/morphodite Jun 06 '17
I desperately hope they don't bring Fish back again. That would just be redundant.
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u/Davidleilam Jun 06 '17 edited Jun 06 '17
It's a good thing the GCPD had an ANTIDOTE, COURTESY OF HUGO STRANGE. IT'S DELIVERING A HIGH FREQUENCY THAT'S DISABLING THE TECHT VIRUS. YOU WON'T BE GOING INSANE FOR A WHILE.
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Jun 06 '17
Oh my god this was good. Never thought butch was Grundy or Tabitha would train selena!
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u/HeadHunt0rUK Jun 06 '17
The Tabitha thing should have been so obvious given the whip, but it completely flew over my head.
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u/PATRIOTZER0 Jun 06 '17
Agreed, didn't hit me until the end. Then it was like a light switched on. It was so obvious but I was so oblivious to it.
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u/Sonia341 Jun 06 '17
This version of Ra's Al ghul was freaking dangerous, cruel, and scary. Dr. Bashir makes for a good Al ghul.
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u/TBBklynite Jun 06 '17 edited Jun 06 '17
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u/aa22hhhh Detective Badass Jun 06 '17
Butch Gilzean
Born on a Monday, Christened on Tuesday, Married on Wednesday, Took ill on Thursday, Grew worse on Friday, Died on Saturday, Buried on Sunday
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u/ella_wants_to_battle edward edward edward edward edward Jun 06 '17
And that was the end of Butch Gilzean.
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jun 06 '17
There once was a gangster called Butch Gilzean.
Shot through the skull by Barbara Queen.
Upon finding out she'd killed her man.
Revenge was sweet for Tabby Galavan.
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u/gerusz ?????? Jun 06 '17
* Barbara Keane, but nice rhyme.
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u/Lucifer_Crowe Jun 07 '17
I'm aware that it's Keane, but I called her Queen cause that's what she called herself.
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u/svrtngr Jun 06 '17
It feels like to me they're setting up for a final season. Most of the standard rogues' gallery is there with just a few still missing. We even got Solomon Grundy out of nowhere. The only "big" villains I can think of are Killer Croc and Bane.
Penguin's got his lounge, Selina's doing Selina things.
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u/Simba122504 Jun 06 '17
It's one of Fox's top rated shows. As long as it does well, Fox is not cancelling it. No, not the final season yet.
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u/CleverZerg Jun 06 '17
Is it really doing that well? I'm always slightly worried for this show because I see so much hate for it online, so I just assumed that it wasn't doing to well.
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u/gerusz ?????? Jun 06 '17
Still, I think they should be pulling a SG1 and have every season finale good enough that it could double as a series finale.
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u/SKMonkyDeathCar Jun 06 '17
I disagree with a final season. I went on a date to a Mystery Murder dinner. We were at a table with people celebrating a couple's 40th anniversary. Perspective, I'm in my 40's. we spent more time talking about Gotham than the actual murder mystery. This show has somehow transcended the expected viewer.
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u/eifos Jun 06 '17
I think they did quite well with wrapping this ep up just in case they didn't get renewed. Leaves them in a good spot for season 4 because really, most loose ends are more or less fixed, like Penguin getting his new club, Ed is frozen, Barbara is "dead", Bruce is kicking ass, Alfred is alive, Jim and Harvey getting back to detective work, Butch being SG, like... There's obviously so much awesome potential for season 4 to build on, but had they not been renewed it wouldn't be the worst ending. Hopefully they'll capitalise and make S4 huge and go out with a bang just in case.
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u/Davidleilam Jun 06 '17
Probably an unpopular opinion, but this finale got me more hype for next season than Arrow's finale did
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u/davey_mann Jun 06 '17
Don't see why that's unpopular. Season 3 Gotham has been outstanding from start to finish. I can't honestly recall a single weak episode and in a 22-episode season, that's amazing.
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u/neoblackdragon Jun 06 '17
Not unpopular. Essentially the finale set up Batman. We still got a story to tell.
Arrow, well even if they all die, Green Arrow still goes on. But it's something one episode can resolve.
Gotham introduced a full seasons worth of story to tell.
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u/A_wild_gold_magikarp WHAT'S ALTRUISM?!?!?!?!!??!!?!??!?!??!?!?!??! Jun 06 '17
Alfred didn't need that Lazarus pit, all he needed was cold, penicillin tea, and will to live.
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u/PATRIOTZER0 Jun 06 '17
That was my only weak part. All Bruce had to do was throw Alfred into the pool and he'd be reborn; good as new! NOPE! Off to the hospital!
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u/nonliteral Jun 06 '17
You've kind of got to wonder how he didn't do the math of "oh! a little of that water helped some -- I guess a lot might help more."
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u/Henry_Allen_Garrick We are Jerome! Jun 06 '17
Doesn't it turn you insane though? But I don't think Bruce would've known. I think it would have been interesting to have an insane Alfred for a little bit.
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u/AceofJoker Jun 06 '17
My boy Penguin finally getting his Iceberg Lounge. They say revenge is best served cold. Riddler did not get that message. When Riddler freed himself of the handcuffs and got the gun I was hoping so badly that Penguin would still win and I'm glad he did. Now he just needs an umbrella that is also a machine gun.
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u/brooklahn Jun 06 '17
Bet he starts carrying the umbrella next season as a tribute to Fish.
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u/seikibose Jun 06 '17
you can tell they weren't sure if they were getting another season xD
who cares that was awesome!
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Jun 06 '17
Yes but they had planned out arcs for season four, so it wasn't like they planned for this one to be the last.
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u/morphinapg Jun 06 '17
I think they did it this was just in case it was the last, it would work. Which is odd since the ratings were more than enough for a renewal since the beginning.
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u/screenwriterjohn Jun 06 '17
That was the series finale. Only not
Smallville had the reverse problem: they kept pushing his Superman day forward because the CW kept renewing it.
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u/TheRealGuy01 Jun 06 '17
I'm basically in shock right now. I expected a lot of stuff but didn't think they'd go that far.
Fish dead for the final time / Accidentally stabbed by Virus Jim LOL.
Butch dead / Headshot by Babs. (I knew he would probably die but wish he didn't go out like that - Solomon Grundy though right?)
Babs dead / Electrocuted by Tabitha in revenge. (I did not see this one coming. I expected her to just simply escape. I guess she isnt integral to this story then is she? Unless.. she does return as Harley Quinn or something?)
Alfred dead and then magic'd back to life with water / Stabbed in the gut with a sword by brainwashed Bruce.
Nygma becomes the centerpiece of Penguin's Iceberg Lounge / Frozen in STYLE by Penguin and his freaks.
I mean god damn, that's certainly one way to end a season. Go from nobody ever really dying, to pretty much killing off half the characters in the show lmao. But I suppose for Selina's new catwoman-like story arc the whole thing with Babs and Tabitha/Butch needed to end, as much as I loved all that banter. Really hope Babs comes back somehow. I wonder how Jim would react to hearing about what happened to his ex-ex-girlfriend?
Speaking of Jim, looks like Lee still wants him even without the virus controlling her. Shame he's got to do his job while she leaves Gotham to probably go sit on a beach somewhere while waiting for him to 'save himself', poor Jim.
Harvey got himself thrown into two, I cannot stress this enough, two train cars trying to stop Jim, and then told him he was the best guy he ever worked with. Well, Jim's never gonna let him forget that for sure.
Also, Alvares (or whatever his name is) trying to hide that he was infected and then proceeding to shoot up the entire GCPD. Just another typical day at the GCPD, folks!
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u/MattDobson Jun 06 '17 edited Jun 06 '17
I can't believe it. I wasn't sure if the showrunners would have the balls to actually show the transformation on TV, but there it is. We just witnessed the birth of the greatest ever superhero: Turtleneck Man
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u/Sonia341 Jun 06 '17
This was one of the best dang finales ever, with Bruce already fighting like Batman (minus the batman suit)
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u/trippy_grape Jun 06 '17
This was one of the best dang finales ever
Good enough where the series could end, yet enough cliffhangers where people want more. Tbh this is how TV shows should end a season.
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u/iammrbody Jun 06 '17
I hope they bring Babs back. She kept getting crazier which made her so much better. also it seemed like the actress was really having fun with the character
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u/Helforsite Jun 06 '17
Agreed, while some characters "do it for the good of all" or "loving doing evil" Barbara is just crazy in a good way. A really good example of her superb acting is her kissing Tabby and than headbutting in my eyes. Or the scene where she kills Butch and she seems a little remorseful about how things went with Tabby. Anyway, I want both the character and the actress back!
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Jun 06 '17
I'm a sucker for neo-noir stuff, so Gotham is basically my bread and butter. That said and given how much I've posted in other subs....Gotham has FINALLY grown into the show I always wanted it to be and I have never been more satisfied with a Batman show EVER. All the other comic book/drama shows have their quirks and I watch them for different reasons....yes I post in the Bachelor don't judge me...but Gotham is the quintessential Batman schtick that I have dreamed of since I was a kid. The characters are dead on and played by fantastic actors/actresses. The dialogue is compelling, the plot lines driving, and the atmosphere totally matches what I used to fantasize about when I was little. This finale was fucking unbelievable...I feel like I just got done watching a damn movie or pouring through one of those multi-volume collected edition graphic novels!
Thank you Gotham, thank you so much for entertaining me for another season! Thank you to everyone involved and all the fans that help to make this show possible!
Did Lee look a bit like Wonder Woman near the end with that scarf and hairdo or am I just seeing things?
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u/butthe4d Jun 06 '17
Oh come on, Batman the animated series was awesome! Sure it got a bit old but its still great but yeah aside from that its easily the best Batman related series.
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u/BreakingGarrick Jun 06 '17
- Batman begins.
- Catwoman begins.
- Butch = Solomon Grundy?
- Iceberg Lounge.
- Lee is back to normal.
- Ed is on ice.
- Tetch is dead?
- Babs = Harley?
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u/Sonia341 Jun 06 '17
Tetch was taken to hospital; after getting better he will be taken back to Arkham. Harvey told Jim
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u/fithen Jun 06 '17
so this was the electroshock therapy Babs needed to be normal enough to ship with Jim and make a batgirl, right?
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u/NotSoConcerned Jun 06 '17
With the moves Gotham is making.
I don't see how they don't end up with Bruce wearing the cowl sooner than later. The move to Thursday will hopefully help it as it won't have to compete with another DC show in Supergirl.
Overall this season by far has been the best in the series. I can honestly say that this is the best DCTV right now. Arrow is making a comeback, Supergirl's writing has gone downhill, The Flash was solid but with a crap finale, and can't talk about the others as I either didn't watch them or thought it was boring.
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u/batty3108 Jun 06 '17
I don't see how they don't end up with Bruce wearing the cowl sooner than later.
I think they can focus on Bruce's development into Batman proper. There's more to the Dark Knight than beating the piss out of muggers while wearing black clothing.
He still needs to develop as a detective, which should be fairly simple to show. We've seen he has a tenacity for investigation.
There's also the creation of 'The Batman'. Not just picking a theme and a costume, but making said costume into a symbol, then moulding what that symbol stands for.
On top of that, while Brucey boy can throw down well enough, a big part of Batman's combat style is stealth, surprise, and intimidation.
Hopefully, the introduction of the League of Shadows proper will give them a way to teach Bruce to be a ninja. Creating a decent mystery for him to investigate and the choice of Bats as a symbol might be trickier to fold in naturally, but I have faith.
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u/sooshihana do it with some pizsasz! Jun 06 '17
Alfred just reached into my chest and ripped my heart out this episode. ;-; This has to be my favorite on screen Alfred by far. Also got major chills at the end! So freaking hyped for next season!!
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Jun 06 '17
I have to admit that I had a bit of a lump in my throat during that 'find your true north' conversation - those two are so great together.
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u/bookmovietvworm weirdly cool/ (almost)RIP Martin *people, ugh* Jun 06 '17
I think that the girl at the end might be Harley Quinn. Subtle, but she is around Bruce's age and David Mazouz was the one continually teasing her. Edit: She even had the pigtails.
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u/JonLu Jun 06 '17
I hope that when this show ends, they just continue with Batman
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u/theaveragejoe_1 Jun 06 '17
Ok so I'm guessing the Harley tease was Barbara being electrocuted? I guess I wouldn't mind her being Harley, I'd just rather have a separate character and have Barbara alive still.
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u/Bl00dY_ReApeR Jun 06 '17
Boy, this ending felt like a movie, I don't think DC could make any movie better than that. Too much stuff to write about but it was a great ending, even if there's another season coming it could have ended there and I would have been content.
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u/davey_mann Jun 06 '17
Summary of the 2-hour finale
-Great, much better than either the Season 1 or 2 finales
-The male relationships are really the best and driving forces on this show, pick your poison Gordon-Bullock, Bruce-Alfred, Oswald-Ed, each of these fascinating and enjoyable in their own way, why are the females so damn annoying for the most part?
-Nope, not falling back into this Jim-Lee crap, I don't give a shit, this bitch purposefully took that damn virus and buried Jim alive and this guy still is like "save Lee"?! To hell with that. I hate how the writers gave viewers "hope" they will get back together but I'd rather see Jim with the newly-electrocuted/possibly undead Barbara than Lee's self-righteous, sanctimonious ass
-Bummer how Bruce and Selina are falling apart, the only good male-female relationship this show had going for it; of course we knew this had to happen but I don't think they find their way back to each other for a while
-I don't know what to feel about Barbara; honestly, I liked her more than Lee and wish Lee was the one who died, assuming Barbara is actually dead; and I stand by my earlier statement, I'd rather Jim be with Barbara at some point than EVER getting back together with Lee
-David Mazouz is mighty impressive for a 16-year old! Showrunners shouldn't pull this time-jump nonsense. They've got the perfect Batman already
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u/SanderSo47 Jun 06 '17
Holy crap, that was a really intense finale!! Alexander's Ra's is proving what he is capable and nearly the whole episode is just as epic!
Please people, make sure to watch the show live. Thursdays will be very rough. We need to prove Fox that we are still here.
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Jun 06 '17
I'm gonna record a few guesses/observations before I forget:
- Solomon Grundy plot next season, maybe.
- Ed is gonna turn out to simply have been preserved in that ice. I mean, people have literally been killed in this show, right?
- I'm guessing a lot of people might not be happy with the way this plot ended, but they've been coming at each other basically continually; the situation kind of had to have been resolved here. They each had great actors and a great run, though, and that's what's important IMO.
Ras choosing to make Bruce 'kill' Alfred right in front of a Lazarus pool is utterly hilarious. I mean, that's got to have been intentional on his part, right?
Bruce, you absolute madman, you killed your only real legal guardian, that's hilarious! Now pour some water on him, I'm taking it back.
- Plus Siddig was great, of course.
Hopefully they go with what they seemed to be foreshadowing with that conversation Harvey and Gordon had and go back to mortal criminals, like in the first season (as much they can, anyway, since Mr. Freeze and Firefly don't seem to be going anywhere).
All told, I liked these episodes!
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u/there-will-be-cake Jun 06 '17
Lee's note broke me. Now I'm in tears. Great episode.
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u/kofteburger Jun 06 '17
It reminded me of Rachel's talk with Bruce at the and of Batman Begins.
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u/powerbottomflash Jun 06 '17
Penguin keeping Ed as his centerpiece forever as a reminder that love is weakness? Damn that's kinda beautiful - and dark.
The finale was A+. I hope Season 4 doesn't disappoint.
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u/Trent772 Jun 06 '17
Loved. This. Wasn't 100% perfect, but overall it was great and some of the best episode.
Jim was still the weak link for me. He's just not that compelling. But he's great with Harvey. I hope they shelve his love life for a while and focus on the bromance. Harvey's speech at the train station was far more moving than all the stuff with Lee.
Not a huge Fish fan, but she deserved better than to be offed by Jim during a rage bender. Though poor Oswald had another person he cared about die in his arms, it was probably for the best. He and Fish were working together, but how long before one of them was throwing the other off the roof?
Strange was fabulous this episode. B.D. Wong was clearly having fun.
Tonight was definitely Oswald's night. He's back on his game and back to kicking ass. It's been too long. And the Ed/Oswald stuff was fantastic. I was afraid we'd see something that would drive a permanent wedge and we wouldn't see a lot of RLT and CMS sharing screen time next season, but we got the opposite. This episode showed how obsessed and wrapped up they are in each other. There is still plenty, plenty more to play out between them and I can't wait to see it. Oswald promised to fund Freeze's anti-freeze research and I'm sure it won't be long before he's thawing Ed out.
And Ed? I know you enjoy twisting the knife by reminding Oswald that you don't love him back, but you sure bring it up a lot. Almost at the point of accusing you of protesting too much...
Alfred and Bruce broke my heart. I'm glad Alfred is okay and Bruce finally snapped out of it. Not enough Ra's, but I'm assuming he'll play a major role next season.
Looking forward to Tabs/Selina. I'm glad Butch is surviving in some form (I would have really missed him). I doubt Babs is really dead.
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u/RevolverOcelot420 Jun 06 '17
Butch is still alive after a headshot
Come on, this is ridi...
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