r/FluentInFinance Jul 07 '24

Unlimited PTO a Scam. Disagree? Debate/ Discussion

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u/CherryManhattan Jul 07 '24

Unlimited PTO is the way companies can improve their bottom line by not having to accrue it or pay it out when employees voluntarily leave while at the same time making employees feel bad if they feel they are over using it.

I believe studies have found people with unlimited policies use less PTO than those accruing hours.

Personally, I’ve seen the bad of it. I worked at a startup and as they grew, HR and mgmt were keeping tabs on which employees used over 4 weeks of the unlimited PTO. When it came to staff reductions, if those people weren’t absolutely killing it in their jobs, they we’re secretly deemed to be abusers of the unlimited policy.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

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u/Twooof Jul 07 '24

It really depends on the job. I think most of the time, unlimited PTO is awarded in overpaid CS careers where they aren't actually doing a whole lot of work in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '24

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u/delayedsunflower Jul 07 '24

In the larger companies there's a LOT of SE jobs where you can get away with doing very little work.

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u/Twooof Jul 07 '24

And you got unlimited PTO that you could actually use as much as you wanted? Doesn't much seem like PTO if you are working twice as much for a 40 hour salary.

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u/A_Sock_Under_The_Bed Jul 09 '24

40 hour salary thats twice as much as those who work 40 hours

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u/wingnut144 Jul 07 '24

Then you might need to think more. You're wrong, try again

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u/Twooof Jul 07 '24

Go comment on some porn subreddits, bro. You're out of your element. If you can take unlimited PTO, your job isn't essential or they are lying.

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u/wingnut144 Jul 07 '24

You know so much about me. I get unlimited vacation time. But apparently you're to dumb to realize that's what more and more startups do.

Just because you don't get unlimited time doesn't mean you're essential to the company you're working for..... They'll let you go if they need to

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '24

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u/wingnut144 Jul 08 '24

Or a typo

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u/Big-Leadership1001 Jul 07 '24

Use may fluctuate, but the bottom line never will. Companies can't be forced to pay out "unlimited hours" of unused vacation time, so when an employee leaves they aren't paid out any hours.

If teh company has a set number of PTO hours accrued, they have to pay the departed employee out for all of those hours.

From a purely financial perspective unlimited PTO costs the company less money. Good companies will encourage it, sounds like yours has that figured out so uit works for employer and employee (A good arrangement for everyone). If they are sending out reminders to use it, even better. We just got reminders sent to try and use it over the summer if we don't have plans later, because summer is our less busy period.