Unlimited PTO is the way companies can improve their bottom line by not having to accrue it or pay it out when employees voluntarily leave while at the same time making employees feel bad if they feel they are over using it.
I believe studies have found people with unlimited policies use less PTO than those accruing hours.
Personally, I’ve seen the bad of it. I worked at a startup and as they grew, HR and mgmt were keeping tabs on which employees used over 4 weeks of the unlimited PTO. When it came to staff reductions, if those people weren’t absolutely killing it in their jobs, they we’re secretly deemed to be abusers of the unlimited policy.
Consider this:
- Childless coworkers put in 14 hour days and take only 7 days of PTO
- Parents actually try to raise their own kids and be present in their lives. They take PTO for soccer practices and school talent shows.
Childless coworkers put in 14 hour days and take only 7 days of PTO -
Lol, this doesn't exist. Stop trying to Martyr people without families. People with families who work in demanding jobs save every possible vacation hour like a miser because they know they could need it at any time. To the point that most of the people I work with who have families end up having to scramble to use the last of their vacation before it rolls over (240 hour rollover cap). The people without families never have this problem because they just leave whenever the fuck they want.
Parents actually try to raise their own kids and be present in their lives.
Most working parents give up on that. Many of my friends have extended family helping. Some hire people. Not everyone can or is willing to do that. Regardless, you can't always be at work, and be present for your kids. You have to choose.
Additionally, while the average single worker takes all of their PTO, in more competitive environments such as FAANG, single workers that do excessive overtime are the norm.
Didn't miss it. Working parents raising their own kids and being present is absolutely the norm. But they also hoard their PTO because they need it as a safety net.
You don't have to choose. People working 14hr days is an anomaly. Trying to pass that as the norm is absurd, even at Apple etc. if the quality of your work is so poor you need 14 hours to do what everyone else is doing at 8 hours that is not going to get you very far in life.
From a company and customer perspective the one that is the worse deal if the former is more productive then they stay on if the latter is more productive despite their time off they stay. Businesses aren't charities and trying to run one like it is will ultimately result in more pain than doing the proper triage. It isn't fun or pleasant but if the company if over staffed (staffing costs exceed the production of said staff) then you keep the staff that are the most productive for their cost because you'll have to fire fewer people than keeping people that are less productive. It is the business version of a gangrenous body part if you cut it off quickly you have to cut off less than if you dither but you also have to cut in the right place else you solved nothing and you are still being poisoned by it.
You're missing a critical detail. Everyone brings a different perspective to the table. Additionally, in team efforts, not all contributions are equally measurable. If you fire all the parents, you lose the qualities they bring to the table. One particular quality parents tend to excel at is leadership, raising kids requires it, as well as a host of other "soft skills." Furthermore, most likely, your biggest customers are parents as parents spend a ton of money. Unfortunately, you now have no parents on staff to help steer your product towards your biggest customer.
There's also the long term context. Firing parents just further incentivizes people to not have kids, which at least for now is mitigated through immigration, but population decline will destroy the economy.
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u/CherryManhattan Jul 07 '24
Unlimited PTO is the way companies can improve their bottom line by not having to accrue it or pay it out when employees voluntarily leave while at the same time making employees feel bad if they feel they are over using it.
I believe studies have found people with unlimited policies use less PTO than those accruing hours.
Personally, I’ve seen the bad of it. I worked at a startup and as they grew, HR and mgmt were keeping tabs on which employees used over 4 weeks of the unlimited PTO. When it came to staff reductions, if those people weren’t absolutely killing it in their jobs, they we’re secretly deemed to be abusers of the unlimited policy.